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I originally planned on having the estimated value of each release in the discography. But on a second thought - I think it would harm the 2nd hand market. It would be harder to get nice deals on ebay and other places since people would try to get as much money as possible for them. What's your thoughts on this? |
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skit I det. |
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you could use categories.. so people have some inkling of an idea whether a record they want or own costs a lot/is worth a lot. categories like $100-$500, $500-$1000 etc. |
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no you should make the values,,,,, why not? |
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i agree with Raimons. |
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Just a random thought off the top of my head this, but you could allow users to enter what they think the release is worth then average those out. That way people can use it as a yardstick when making purchases elsewhere. They'll know if they're being ripped off or not. I guess that's the flip side to what your concerns were? The important thing would be to restrict who could enter values, otherwise it would get abused. Perhaps limit that function to people who are paid subscribers, or who have been on the board fo x months or something. |
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I'd say it's ok as long as you keep it reasonably up-to-date. It's a free market out there, I don't think listing an estimate here will have much impact overall. |
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**having the estimated value of each release in the discography. **it would harm the 2nd hand market. It would be harder to get nice deals on ebay and other places since people would try to get as much money as possible for them. I dont see the relation... could you explain? |
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Good thing for buyers but it might be a nightmare for sellers. |
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New poll. Vote now! |
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I don't have any sympathy with a seller who wants to rip people off though. |
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i hate values when it comes to anything :( |
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Yea, I have to agree with neetta. But as long as the prices are reasonable I guess it would be ok. But if I were designing the site I dont think I would do that, it would be too much of a hassle for me |
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i told you lot xltronic's fucking huge. ;-) |
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i don't think it's a good idea... besides the "value" would still be subjective, and some people would take it as a definite value, not accepting to pay more etc... maybe a star-rating system would be more appropriate? * = found 5 copies in every store to ***** = only 5 copies pressed worldwide ? |
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HARD CORE PHOBIAZERO! It sounds massive! 8^D I like what uzim suggested, like a rarity or availability system or something along the lines of that |
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i like uzim's idea....sounds good to me the pricing thing sounded good, but i see how it could affect monetary values on ebay |
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but the scarceness of a record doesn't always link directly to its "value". and on being ripped off: this is also the buyers responsibility. |
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qrter > no, but when something else than the scarceness is involved (i.e. how good the record is), then it's too subjective (i wouldn't say totalitarist but...) isn't it? :) |
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the length/number of tracks maybe - but it matters for some people, for some it doesn't really... quality matters more than quantity methinks... |
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quality has nothing to do with the question posed by Phobia. having an estimate of value with the records says nothing about the quality. I mean, who would think that..? |
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so, what is included for you in the "value"? sorry, i was trying to guess... |
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i think it's a very good idea putting the estimated values in the discography (or as qter says 'categories') please do so phobiazero, i'm sure many people (including me) are very interested in the value of some records and as someone said it also prevents sellers ripping of others, and the buyer has an indication.. i don't think it's a nightmare for sellers.. if they're really convinced that they should get more for a record than xltronic would indicate there will also be buyers who are prepared to pay more than the indication.. i even think it's off no influence on the 2nd hand market e.g. AB5: suppose your estimated value was approx. $1000, the bidders on ebay wouldn't have stopped at that price.. it's a 'battle' between people and i think they don't look at how much the estimated price is but how much they want to spend on it themselves (how much it's worth for them) you really should add it imo |
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monetary value. what you could get for the record or could expect to pay for it. this is what Phobia is talking about. |
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im in favour of estimated value... but only because im not some real freak to go after hard to get stuff im mean if its on amazon i buy it, if not feck it :) |
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*sniff* we luv ya phob' *slurr* you guysh are the greatest ... as for that kinda thing, I wish I could afford any rare stuff... but maybe its better to leave prices out of it, unless its very recent info.?? i dunno. (useful eh?) good idea tho'. i'd be more inclined to buy off a xltronic type than some random ebay guy |
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Question is, who sets what it's worth? I get asked this question all the time, "what is the value of XXX release?" and the way I do it is give my values based on the highest and lowest prices I have seen said release go for on Ebay. Not very scientific, but since there is no official appraisal board to assess the value of each release, it's merely speculative and opinion-based. If it's clear that it's purely an estimate, then there should be no problems putting that in there - we had that on joyrex.com back when it last had a functioning discography *sigh* :) A link to search and query Ebay for that release would be nice as well, and easy as pie to set up - we already have this on WATMM, and some other unique features as well. |
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Now I just need to finish the discogs and get them out the door :\ |
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i voted no its not that important, imo |
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looks like watmm vs xltronic in the discogs race... MUD WRESTLING MATCH!! |
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I like the idea of using e-bay as a reference for the value of Aphex records. Of course doing the high and low probably doesn't give a very good picture. But then it would take absolutely ages to do an average of all the releases sold on ebay. I suppose as long as people are aware of how its calculated nobody can complain eh. |
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I could probably do that, I have plenty of time on my hands. |
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i totally agree with you Joyrex... |
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maybe someone already said this, but if someone tries to rip you off, just dont by it i think it is a good idea to have those values on xltronic |
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i buy all my records on ebay and sumtimes the price the are asking for is questionable. i would like an auction type price. sumthing like a 'between here and here' |
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just make a "rarety from 1 to 10" function instead of money estimation |
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a similar thing was done on the muslimgauze site, with regards to pricing. seeing as how ebay is where 95% of these rarities are bought and sold, it has to be the benchmark with regards to pricing. the mg site monitored ebay prices and gave the highest, lowest and average price for each release. in fairness though, there could be a fair bit of work in that, and the mg one wasn't kept up to date. still, with the amount of people involved in xltronic, surely the releases could be divided up? |
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let's hope phob uses the poll results to decide whether or not he's gonna ad this feature i would really be pleased with it |
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Yeah, I voted "yes" then wanted there to be an extra button- "No, the discography is huge- this would add weeks of work researching" ;) |
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I think the major point most people are forgetting here is the fact that records come in all states. A mint copy of HAB is bound to be worth more than one with a scratch. I can't remember if someone else said this but maybe a feature where there is a price but it's gained from everyone having put in the price they paid. Surely more accurate than just using Ebay. Obviously this is dependent on people's honesty. I think a rough guide would be good though. This could work with the Discog thing that Phob mentioned where people could pop it in their basket. When they do they HAVE to enter the price they paid. Just my thoughts kids, just my thoughts. |
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The condition of the records is not that critical in terms of price - most records sold are in decent condition, and unless it's sealed, I haven't notice it affecting price that much. Usually sellers will indicate if the cover is totally screwed up, etc. and those most real collectors shy away from. Thanks Phob for the donation to watmm! |
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It's strange- among contemporary records shrinkwrapped etc. seems to be the most favoured condition. Amongst collectors of old records (talking original audiophile quality virgin vinyl pressings of Hendrix, Beatles etc.) records are valued more if they're open and have been played! Bizarre really as you'd think people would just open stuff and play it before selling it. |
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When you say conditon do you mean of the record, or packaging? I wouldn't care much about the packaging, but if I bought HAB II and it skipped all the time at one point or got stuck I'd go mental. |
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Both, actually - my first copy of Powerpill (vinyl) the cover was in horrible condition, about to fall to peices. The vinyl was faded, but still playable. I paid way too much for it, then got a still sealed one a couple of years later for 15.00USD! CD's generally are OK, unless the owner didn't keep it in the case at all times when not being played. Having the case damanged on a CD really doesn't mean much, as long as the disc is playable and scratch-free. |
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~~joyrex~~ $15.00 where ? certainly not a pawn-shop, a ma and pa shop ? I VOTED, yes, but some of the vinyl is only what peeps will pay for it, its gonna be difficult and peeps are going to dispute it, good luck !! |
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Ebay, my good mate - Auction ended at some insane hour of the morning when I was working on joyrex.com, back when I put in 10+ hour sessions working on it till the wee hours of the morning. Just in the right place at the right time :) |
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