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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-10-20 17:04 [#00410494]
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are you pro-capital punishment or anti-capital punishment? why?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:07 [#00410499]
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it depends really.
i think its used way too much, and with out enough evidence. like people who get charged of crimes, but the trial isnt like an obvious conviction, but more because the person is poor, and cant get a good lawyer etc.
but in some cases, like if we find the sniper in DC, and we are 100% sure its him, then i say kill him.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:08 [#00410500]
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anti.
simply said, it comes down to this:
you cannot say to someone who has killed a person: "you cannot kill a person, it is bad" and then do that exact same thing.
also (I've said this before in the sniper-thread), you can only implement a capital punishment-system if you have a judicial system which is 100% fool-proof. I mean, if there's a mistake made you can't bring someone back from the grave.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-10-20 17:10 [#00410503]
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I'm against, because I feel that someone who is fit to be tried as an adult and sentenced to death is old enough to have a huge amount of society's time and effort (education etc.) invested in her/him.
I'd prefer to see some form of rehabilitation that would allow us to reclaim that investment, like personality wiping, or organ harvest.
Children, on the other hand, have very little invested in them... it ought to be legal to terminate a child up until the age of say three or four.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:10 [#00410504]
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thought of another one:
how would capital punishment help? if I remember rightly, murder figures haven't dropped in the US because of the existance of capital punishment, so as a deterrant it doesn't work..
what rests is, revenge. not good.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:11 [#00410507]
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I agree that too many people get sentenced without absolute proof of the charge, but I think more important, or at least equally is exactly how qter puts it.
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ziggomatic
from ??....uv ajed...deja vu....?? on 2002-10-20 17:12 [#00410508]
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KILL EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2002-10-20 17:13 [#00410510]
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against
Whenever i read something about people who get the death penalty it gives me a strange feeling. I feel like mankind (as a species altogether) steps onto very dark terrain when we decide to end other peoples lives.
Only a very sick individual would ever do something like that --> a murderer. But if we then proceed to murder him... are we really any better?
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Crocomire
from plante (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:13 [#00410511]
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i say life imprisonment instead so they can live with what they've done, it makes no sense to kill em, cuz what qrter said, and cuz then they can't think about it if they're gone.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:14 [#00410512]
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thats a nice message to read with George smiling at us next to it.. :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:15 [#00410513]
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and MARLOWE.. what do you think yourself..?
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-20 17:15 [#00410514]
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I have no opinion, thus posting this was rather pointless
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:17 [#00410516]
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there is no justice reached when a criminal is murdered by the government. only, like qter points out, a sick indulgence in revenge. the crime still occured and another person is murdered.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-10-20 17:21 [#00410518]
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I'm against, Alex.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-10-20 17:22 [#00410519]
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I agree with the death penalty
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2002-10-20 17:22 [#00410520]
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it's amazing how many people respond to this avatar :-p George Costanza must have really reached people on a very deep emotional level! Someone should write an essay on him or something... what is it about George? Do people recognise a little piece of him in themselves?
And it's working out GREAT for me ;-) I'm starting to feel more like george every day.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:22 [#00410521]
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hurray! hurray!
get yourself some hay dipped in Stella (ask flea).
btw, who is this in your avatar?
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 17:23 [#00410522]
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against
if the punishment is supposed to be seen as a deterrant (which i presume it is), exactly what sort of deterrant is death? what a cop out! intoduce 40 years hard labour, make prisoners work for us, put them on a big wheel and make the generate electricity or something.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-20 17:23 [#00410523]
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I am pro if the proof is concrete.. but I see too many innocents convicted of murder..so in this flawed system..Iam anti
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:23 [#00410524]
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haha zeus is pro-killing
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:24 [#00410525]
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i'm 100% anti-killing
why would anyone want to be scared into not killing, anyways?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:24 [#00410526]
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I certainly recognise parts of myself in George. I was just thinking about this (strange coincidence): I actually like all of the 4 main characters on Seinfeld. normally you have a favourite, but on this show it kind of switches all the time. well.. maybe, Seinfeld himself is the least appealing of them all..
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:25 [#00410528]
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....AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-10-20 17:25 [#00410529]
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My avatar is in transition - I just changed it, but it still has my old one, of some kind of goblin thing - my new one is/will be Mick Travis, lead character in If....
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:26 [#00410530]
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my avatar is anti- head and shoulders.
i have a new set of nuts, thanks to them.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:26 [#00410531]
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yeah thats another point.. people are probably scared of the death penalty, but most of the ones who plan it, do try to NOT get caught..
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-10-20 17:26 [#00410532]
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Murder is illegal so murdering criminals who are allready in prison should be too.
I can understand if the victim takes revenge as an emotional response but this shouldn't apply in a justice system.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:27 [#00410533]
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oh okay.. now I see..
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:27 [#00410534]
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yep
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:29 [#00410535]
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i think marlowe is absolutely right about everything, actually.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 17:29 [#00410536]
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he mostly is, you know.
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-10-20 17:30 [#00410538]
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i can never bring myself to thinking deeply about the capital punishment. it seems somehow unreal, so it's easier to ignore it totally.
i tend to block out nasty things like this. that makes me a bit blue-eyed :)
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2002-10-20 17:30 [#00410539]
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i would really like to read why one of the people who is pro-death penalty thinks that we should kill certain criminals? Tell us your reasons please :-)
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:30 [#00410540]
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he entirely is
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-10-20 17:30 [#00410541]
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oh you guys :D
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-10-20 17:30 [#00410542]
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boy didn't i sound wise :)
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:31 [#00410544]
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marlowe=god
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-10-20 17:34 [#00410548]
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You are all like sheep
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:34 [#00410549]
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:(!
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2002-10-20 17:36 [#00410551]
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jerry himself is by far the least-interesting character for me. But that's cool. One of the characters needs to be a little more neutral. If all the characters would have been equally funny, it would have been too much. Often jerry's reaction to something george are kramer does is what makes george and kramer so funny :-)
And indeed i did choose george as my avatar because i recognised certain aspects of him in myself ;-)
His life has never been easy, and yet he keeps trying to make something of it... you've just got to admire that :-p
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:36 [#00410552]
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we're all smart sheep
to the slaughter :D
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-20 17:37 [#00410553]
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speaks the welshman :D
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-20 17:37 [#00410554]
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haha "to the slaughter".. now i see chris' intentions!
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:38 [#00410555]
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HAHA
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:39 [#00410556]
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anti 100%, you cant kill anyone just because they killed too. basically what most of you said already. people who say they dont have an opinion should get an opinion on this. if more people were against it we wouldnt have it anymore. usa is the only country that has capital punishment(right?). united states has to be the most corrupt country in history.
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:39 [#00410557]
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Chris says: its just that people think he's some sort of godlike being...and he's so wrong
Chris says: ....when he says jump...the rest of you say "how high?" Niggals says: cuz hes fuckign smart Niggals says: not really Niggals says: we say "how why?"
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:41 [#00410558]
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I am George! hes gotta be the best tv character ever/ i am so like george in many ways too. i think jerry is supposed to be the least funny on the show. jerry is the framework which all the rest work around, without him theres nothing.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-10-20 17:41 [#00410559]
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Niggals says: i wont say shit promise you wont hear from it again Niggals says: tell me
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-10-20 17:41 [#00410560]
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bah
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2002-10-20 17:42 [#00410561]
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usa is absolutely not the only country that sentences people to death! Infact, other countries kill criminals much faster, and for smaller crimes.
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