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are you saying we should waste just anyone that is no good for society |
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finding the good takes precedent over limiting the bad |
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i actually have this relative on death row in texas, not blood relative but still.. he killed two persons twenty years ago when he was out of his mind on drugs. he cant remember anything from when he killed them and is totaly regretfull. he just waits for the day he is being killed and paints alot. ive seen a couple of his pantings, they are mostely landscapes.. he cant remember a thing and is a totaly diffrent person yet he is being killed. he has been in yail for 20 years! atleast in china the get it done rather quickly.. |
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surrond: 1st paragrap: its our instinct to kill, but society has repressed that instinct. 2nd: disagree |
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if you cut off a thief's hands, he can't steal anymore... ever. So it would serve a purpose. And you are right, it doesn't do society any good to keep a criminal alive... but that doesn't just mean we should kill them :-/ It also doesn't do society any good to keep coma-patients alive... or people with terminal diseases... or even old people. But we're talking about human beings! I really don't thing you should talk about them in terms of value to the society. Every human life is valueable. |
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poor people are no good to society, in the eyes of capitalists (e.g. the Western world, and most of the rest!), so why not kill all of them?! damn capitalism..... there was a bombing outside a macdonalds on saturday. Unfortunately the 'restaurant' will not close down or make their food more healthy. The bomb injured 7 people, macdonalds has probably killed..... (I'll leave that for you lot to fill in!) sorrry about that babbling. BYE! |
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"torturing criminals? it serves no purpose." and killing does? "killing them would be to completly rid them from society." and? "torture would not solve anything" ....maybe it would feel good for the victim. "tell me what good, for society, it does to keep a criminal alive?" haha, so when society has no use for you they're allowed to kill you? too bad for the ill old people who live alone.... |
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"its our instinct to kill, but society has repressed that instinct." You might be right there. Soldiers in a war often describe it as a good feeling to kill their enemies :-/ I saw a documentary on this, and one of those veterans said it was a feeling comparable to having sex. But if you're saying it's natural for us to seek revenge and sentence murderers to death. It's our instinct and therefor right... than you're also saying it's alright for a murderer to kill someone, because it's his instinct. I don't think we'll be able to agree on the lion ;-) It's been a very interesting discussion indeed. It's a shame Zeus is the only pro-person online tonight... i kinda feel like i'm picking on you personally, but i'm not! I just find it an interesting topic :-) But i need to go to bed now. Over here it's 2:36 am. nightnight. |
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"not every murder trial should end with a death penalty, but how about one were a guy rapes a 14 year old girl, and kills her. he is obviously fucked up. " reasoning like that always fukks me up.. how can you say that? so if someone rapes an 18-year old girl thats not as bad as a 14-year old? |
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we got a good discussion going here, i was doing a paper or id be partaking more. i agree with you there qrter on the 14, 18 year old girl, its bad no matter what age. |
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yeah..! where do you draw the line..? if its about the raping of minors, would it be 'better' (see the brackets!!) to rape+kill a girl who just turned 18 than a girl who's 17 years and 11 months..? |
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the instinct to kill can be seen, in symbolism, in society still... Only, whilst murder is unacceptable, and may be punished by death (in the USA at least), kicking people out of their homes because they cannot find the money to make their mortgage payment is acceptable - modern society, sucking on the teets of Mammon (ie/ capitalism) is where we find the instinct to kill symbolically... all those animals fucking over whomever they can in their lust for power and money... once (if Bush et al give us the chance/the general populace wake up from their slumber) we evolve, then I'm sure we will look back on this time with shame and wisdom. |
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marlowe rules once again |
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couple of things.....since everyone including some americans on this board think the US is the only country to have the death penalty.....just a reminder that Saudia Arabia (along with some other arab countries) have public executions. China has televised and public executions and they have been known to kill criminals for their organs....many reports have proven this....although they deny it. that said i am against the death penalty for several reasons.... - morally i think it's wrong for the 'state' to execute people (no matter how deserving) our current prison system is not good for rehabilition.....so i won't say anything about that. i think however that we should make them do useful things for society......not making license plates....but something useful....manual labor is a good think IMO....they are in prison for a reason....i don't think we should make it EASY for them at all...lets bring back CHAIN GANGS......harrahhhhh the other is purely economic....it costs more for the 'state' to execute someone than to keep them in prison.....so why spend more tax dollars killing ONE person.....won't make the world safer....sooo ok.....so all that said seriel killers like bundy, gacy, ramirez, etc....well they just don't belong on earth...dunno where we'd put them.....where did they send the criminals from Krypton (another seinfeld reference) ?? that was a cool kinda punishment.....=0) |
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Of course they belong on earth: this isn't Eden |
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I say we just... |
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erm... |
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I saw Jello Biaffra on a festival here in the Netherlands like 4 years ago.. all these guys sitting around, smoking their cigarettes.. then he started talking about how crap the tabacco industry is.. everybody laughed, noone stubbed out their cigarette.. |
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strange how that works huh? they say quitting cigarettes is harder than quitting crack/cocaine |
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well crack and cocaine isn't sold on every streetcorn- hey wait.. um... |
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I'm for it, but... There must be as much proof as possible to the guilt of the criminal. Wrongful executions are too frequent. You don't screw around w/ something like that unless you have overwhelming evidence. The death penalty has an advantage. It will guarantee, with 100% certainty, that the person being executed will never, ever be able to kill again. (Unless of course they come back from beyond the grave). |
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finally someone who agrees |
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Yeah but you can't always be sure you're killing a guilty person. There have been tons of times we found people that were innocent on death row, and cases of innocents being executed. With a prison sentence, you can release the person if they're proven innocent later. |
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I'm more of a life-imprisonment type of guy .. I mean DEATH seems a little harsh, plus the finality and uncertainty factors that you all have mentioned. However, murderers shouldn't be let off easy and go to a prison-resort which is what they've become.. it should be a 'punishment' .. not inhumane, of course, but reasonably unpleasant. btw, I am against abortion too.. to bring up an older topic. So I'm pro-life in pretty much every sense of the term.. :) |
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All prison sentences should be cut in half and the saved $billions spent on counselling / re-habilitation schemes for inmates. If all you do is lock them away and re-inforce that they are shit lowlife , you're pitting the world against them ipso facto strengthening their sociopathic tendencies. They should "graduate" from prison by demonstrating the life-skills they have learned and placed with employers who are government-subsidised to take them on. Despite what people think, prisons DO NOT currently educate or re-habilitate. Then again anyone who murders kids or guns down shoppers is to my mind already beyond salvation . I'd give them plenty of great literature to read and a pen and paper to write their own life-story, they might become articulate enough be help us learn more about how to read the signs in potential killers before they get to that point. Death penalties are no deterrant, look at the US> "why choose between killing and being killed ; When your government can offer you both in one handy package" |
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my god that's so stupid to be against abortion... if u have an abnormal child, wont u be "happy" if u can just avoid him to have an horrible life full of suffering ? i believe in the god that rules us all(not only THE christian god) but cant bare these shits about anti-abortion thats so gross |
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I don;t like the death penalty A/ death is an easy way out, ie you don;t have to live or suffer for whatever you did B/ If we kill prisoners then we ourslves are murderers and should in turn face the death penalty ?!?!?!?!?! You either kill or you don;t and no matter what the circumstances are, murder is bad I think it sucks that we have different level's of murder, I mean it should just be like : "Is the guy dead?" Yes - Murder, No - attempted murder You don;t go, "Is the guy dead" yes "how dead ?! 1st degree? 2nd degree? " HE'S FUKING DEAD !! MURDER !! plain and simple It makes NO sense |
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Your 19 right? Look back at when you were like 16-17 years old. What would you do if you got a girl of a simular age preggers?? You have your whole life ahead of you, not much money to support yourself let alone a child and still living with your parents Would you really bring a child into the world knowing that it'll probably grow up in a poor enviroment ? |
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and raped girls is that funny? must they bring all the morbid babies growing up into a body that even reject him... mmh ur father is not here honey actually i've been raped by drunk fat stupid asshole when i was 17teen charming... |
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death penalty: NO, never... abortion: allow it |
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