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yep, anti anti anti! death is not right! Bush wants them all dead, so that there are no people in poverty anymore - as he thinks they're all criminals! They're not making him any money! |
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again, i think its only right in some case not every murder trial should end with a death penalty, but how about one were a guy rapes a 14 year old girl, and kills her. he is obviously fucked up. maybe in the grand scheme of things, we dont have the right to kill people, but look at it on a smaller level. we live in a society. weather we like it or not. society is based on the fact that people have to work together, in someway, for the society to work. if a person has proven that they cannot contribute good to the society, society has no use for them. espeically in the case of serial murders, and whatnot, who obviously cannot be changed. why should we as a society feel obliged to keep someone alive that only brings our society down? again, im not saying its 100% right. in theroretical terms, no man has the right to kill another. but this isnt theory, this is application. and they can be 2 different things. |
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anti-death anti-killing anti-war anti-anti-marlowe :D |
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"you cant kill anyone just because they killed too" absolutely, although i wouldn't say the US is the only country to have capital punishment, perhaps the only one in the western world |
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haha its zeus |
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noone deserves to die imo |
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yeah, cute puppy |
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[Mick Travis] yes [n i g gals] so jedi chris and me arent friends anymore :( [n i g gals] cuz of YOU MARLOWE [n i g gals] i liked his paintings :( |
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if someone does something really fucked up, in a civilised scoiey don't we have a duty to help them in some way rather than frying them in a chair? |
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people who do not abide by the rules of society are sent to prison. killing people who "cannot contribute good to the society" reminds me of a nazi point of view. |
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That's right, Dobbin - the only country in the "civilised" world to retain the Death Penalty - which puts it on a par with most of the countries "it" hates |
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Do you pro death penalty people also support the amputation of the criminal's limbs? |
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i agree with mylittlesister on that nazi stuff. i mean if you look back at the holocaust hardly any german's went against hitler or stood up to say what they were doing was wrong. its the same sort of principle here just much smaller. usa government=nazis |
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have you noticed also that many people who support death penalty are against abortion? |
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im pro abortion |
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well, pro choice |
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obedience to authority.... Milgram's experiment. Hofling (1966) did an experiment on nurses aswell, to see if they obeyed doctors to give an overdose to a patient. 21 of 22 nurses gave the injection :-/ |
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yeah, pro choice all the way |
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"why should we as a society feel obliged to keep someone alive that only brings our society down?" I can sort of see your point there. Maybe if a person intentionally kills someone, he uses up his own right to live. If it would have been a law of nature... (you kill someone, and immediately your body stops functioning and you drop that)... i wouldn't think that was unfair in any way. But it's not a natural law... and for mankind to take it upon themselves to kill a murderer.... just feels so wrong to me. It also doesn't solve anything, and i doubt it will make anyone feel better. (i don't think i would feel any relief if someone i love was killed, and the murderer would be sentenced to death). If you put murderers in jail for the rest of your life, you reach the same goal of keeping them out of society. I don't really see the extra value of having them killed. |
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*for the rest of their lives |
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how about the mother lion who kills the animal that ate its young? theres natural law for ya |
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also: *drop dead shit, better start using that preview-button again :-) |
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i can try imagine myself if i would be sentenced to death-i would go mad probably i dont think any person should experience this no matter what they did |
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she's probably very hungry |
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i doubt the lion kills that animal BECAUSE it ate her young? (not really an expert on lions, but i doubt they are able to get feelings of revenge... she'd probably just kill it to then eat it herself). Animals are not able to make moral decisions imo. That's what makes humans so unique |
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the praying mantis female eats the male when they have sex.. you dont see humans do that, do you? its stupid to try to draw parallels to animals when humans are infact on an higher level of consiousness. (atleas most are..) |
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bullshit she wouldnt kill it cause it ate her kids animals are very defensive of thier young but humans are animals as well. sometimes we think we are more then that. we are still governed by the same things that animals are governed by. |
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yes indeed... have you seen the movie 'dead man walking'? (or any of the other 99283 movies about deathrow ;-))... it nearly made me cry (okay i'll admit: it actually did make me cry)... it's told so well that you start to imagine sean penn's feelings... not a very pleasant movie :-/ |
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gubb, completly disagree |
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sean penn is great in every movie and about dead man walking-it gives you an idea but im sure is no where near to the actuall feeling |
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Also... the animal that killed her young, just did it because it wanted food. Animals just eat each other... you cannot judge them or blame them for it. It's not like when a human kills another human at all. I actually disagree and think that humans are very different from other animals. Animals probably don't even think about it when they eat other animals... they just don't know any better and they don't have a choice. Humans do. |
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we maybe governed by the same things, but we have a conscience, which allows us to not do what these "things" tell us to do. If we couldn't control these things then there would be rapes all the time, everywhere - this is because as soon as puberty strikes males their body feels the need to reproduce. |
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i might have to talk about this in my sociology class... see what people think. |
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oh yeah? do you often eat your partners after sex? |
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true... but movies like that are probably as close to that feeling as you can get... unless you're sentenced in a deathrow yourself. |
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if a person murders someone, they are being selfish. they arnt thinking of the other person. they arnt thinking of the people that know the person. they arnt thinking of the effects it will have on others. so why then must we care about how they feel? im sure its an aweful feeling knowing that you are goin to die. but if they are truely guilty of murder, and thus sentenced to death, I dont have sympathy for them. |
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HAHAHA, well said! :D |
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well actually i get a better felling if i imagine myself in that situation-i mean the felling when you know you've got one hour left-i would probably have a heart attack |
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what about the murderer's family/families? |
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during ;) |
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How do you feel about torturing criminals? cutting off hands, etc? |
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well they're still human arnt they? i mean to cause anyone that feeling its just totally unhumane |
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that's like when i did history about charles I, and when people write poems just before they are about to die - scary stuff! |
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animals also kill other animals just for territorial reasons. defending their young was only one example. |
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well i'm not saying it's okay to kill someone. And it's not because i feel so bad for these murderers that I am against the death penalty But isn't a society that sentences people to death just as guilty of murder? I'm sure a murderer also feels he has a very good reason to kill someone... still doesn't make it right... no matter how good your reason is. |
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torturing criminals? it serves no purpose. killing them would be to completly rid them from society. torture would not solve anything |
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tell me what good, for society, it does to keep a criminal alive? |
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oh well, im off to bed, nice talking. night night, dont kill anyone! |
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we should not ask for good from things, but we should try to limit the bad... perhaps |
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yes but it's their instinct to kill other animals! It's no different from their other instincts (sleeping, eating, drinking, killing... i bet if you were a lion, there wasn't any difference between all those things). An animal doesn't understand the concept of something being "wrong" or "right". And to get back to that lion-mother... it might kill the animal that ate her young as a part of her instinct to defend it. But i really cannot imagine that she feels anything like "that guy ate my baby, now he deserves to die!" |
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