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It looks like Sony and Universal music are - the . The SACD has highly effective copy-protection and players do not have digital outputs. The higher fidelty and extra channels just seem like a cheap trick to get these new players into homes and then one day the hybrid CDs will disappear. They say over 1 million of these players have been sold. I don't think we really need higher fidelity when the CD already has a greater range than human hearing ... |
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Maybe the dolphins and the oscilloscope can appreciate the new format... |
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this is good if it means better quality i guess... but better than CD? you'd need a really high end system to even tell the difference, i think.... plus, like u said its probably just an excuse to raise cd prices it cant cost them that much to use these new discs... and putting some enhanced stuff ("lyrics, video") on it wouldn't cost them anything..... (a cd only costs like 20 cents to make, apparently) but they'll raise the price several dollars anyway... BASTARDS! (btw: thanks for the link this is the first ive heard of this AND nice to see ur old avatar back, Inverted Whale! i like it more than the pic |
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Sounds like a good idea to me. You can hear the difference between 16 bit (current CDs) and 24 bit audio. If the sound is really better im all for it. |
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really? where can u hear higher formatts now? on DAT or something? |
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increasing the length of CDs would be cool would they have to compromise between length, quality, and xtra features (lyrics, video, whatever)? or would the audio quality be constant? |
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Well music is generally recorded in 24 or 32 bit and then dithered down to 16 bit 44.1 Hz for duplication on CD. So I suppose the only place to readily hear the difference is in a studio, Im pretty sure DVD's have 24 bit audio though (not positive maybe someone can confirm this) If this could stop music piracy I think its a good step, I download as much as anyone, but maybe its time the artists had something to eat. |
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the backstreet boys and creed have more than enough to eat! ...christina auguleira.... now thats another story (i hope my mispelling of her name did not ruin the joke) |
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I dont care about bsb or ca, but little people like Murcury Rev... I think people should pay for that stuff. |
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Pay for Murcury Rev? Knowing your taste in music its prolly just going to be a beat that has been overamplified and then compressed all to hell, with a lot of distortion, and a piddly melody overtop :P |
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"I waynt theym beayts ta squeeeel wheyn aI payck theym aoff thei bownes" |
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So it's ok to "steal" from artists you don't care about? I feel this big mean streak coming on... |
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its sooo true...those greedy bastards!!!!!!!!! |
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Who ever invented the CD is a retard, and i want to punch him/her in the head. The playing surface is exposed and they get ruined easily, especially if its not an original CD (silver bottom pressed by professional label) if it gets scratched just a little it will skip like a mofo. They should have made CD's like minidisc or something that wont get ruined and scratched just by sliding it into the cd player, id rather have a tape at least it will last a few years and not skip. I try to buy vinyl, but then its time consuming to make copies of the vinyl on CD-R to listen to in the car. I hope they come out with new media that's a lot more durable. |
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I dont care if people download records they wouldnt normally buy if they are selling 5 million+ copies in stores. I think it would be nice if the artists for whom 50,000 copies is a run away success (let alone artists who sell 500 copies) could avoid being downloaded. |
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It seems the "fair use" concept is being thrown out the window here. I make copies of CDs for my car so if they melt in the summer heat, I'm not out $15. I won't be able to do that with the new format. I'll probably be able to hack some kind of analog copy, but I'd rather have access to the digital source that I purchased. |
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Yeah, if the these SACD discs can hold alot more audio than one normal cd, than it would press artists to release more material, perhaps to make up for the higher cost that people would be paying for SACDs. |
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hmmm but Jimisteel has made an extremely important point here guys, if you would care to read his post. I completely agree with him. |
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I agree as well, I was actually hoping that the next format would be solid-state like SmartMedia or CompactFlash. But I guess that's still too expensive. |
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Inverted whale: ....And not too smart if you want peolple to buy the same thing over and over again... I think the music industry likes the thought of fragile media. Uncareful consumers will have to buy new copies! CompactFlash would be great! (SmartMedia isn´t that good, it´s surface is too exposed, I guess...) |
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SAcd is very cool. Directional / multi-channel audio is the next logical step to take. And the higher quality is welcomed. I can only see enthusiasts buying into it at the moment but many dvd players have started to include SAcd playback and people are buying the ability to play SAcds without knowing it. In the UK at least there are already hundreds of SAcds available. They contain a pcm layer on the disk so they work on standard cd players, this can be ripped using conventional methods and copies made to standard cds, encoded to mp3, ogg etc.. The actual SAcd contains 5 types of copy protection and its unlikely their going to be bypassed anytime soon to make an identical copy but I have no problem keeping the master for listening on a high quality system at home and make standard cd copies for the car, minidisk etc.. DVD audio is the competing format and they are quite similar but judging by releases SACD has already won. TB |
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You guys would be surprised how shitty a CD can actually sound, compared to something better. Since audio is compressed into digital, it has to often "take a guess" what frequency should be played. Whether the human ear can hear it or not, the overall outcome can make it sound more clear, lively... |
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Yeah, but don't play it through headphones that are under $50.000 or else the headphone is the "bottleneck" and speakers are totally out of the question... |
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I'm skeptical that there is any real difference, but I'll wait until I can ABX some equipment to hear for myself. |
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A Sony rep recently told me they did tests in Japan involving playing sounds of different frequencies and noting the reactions of test subjects. Frequencies above the audible range produced no effect, then sounds within the range were played and the effects noted but when both audible and none audible frequencies were played together there was double the brain activity of just the audible frequencies. Don’t know how true this is but was an interesting story :) People generally think headphones are good for HI-FI but they are undoubtedly CRAP. I think they are thought of as being good due to the volume of them being close to the ear and the blocking out of outside noise but as for producing sounds you cant beat a selection of big and small speakers positioned correctly in quiet environment. Unless you want to spend thousands on |
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"A Sony rep. recently told me..." Ah that says enough... Headphones crap? Please explain... speakers? Maybe if you have really expensive ones in a theoreticly ideal environment otherwise they produce all kinds of resonances in the room... |
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I work part time in a sales shop and I got sent on a Sony electronics course last Wednesday where they basically show off their gear. That’s when the rep said about the tests. Like I said, don’t know how true it is. As for headphones being crap, I’ll try and explain better. Headphones are hardly designed for high fidelity. The speakers inside the headphones are simply not going to produce the low, high and mid frequencies that make up a good sound. Ideally you want a couple of mid-field monitors with your head positioned in the sweet spot, this can create a similar effect to headphones when everything else gets blocked out. I personally love headphones because they are so useful. They’re portable and usually pretty durable but if it’s High fidelity you’re after they’re not a good idea. Most audiophiles I have spoken to hate them with a passion. Speakers are the way to go and they don’t have to be the dog’s bollocks to get a decent sound. |
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Toxic Bass is right 'bout the headphones. I got a fairly decent pair myself, but they don't compare to listening to music on a well-designed stereo system. Regarding the unnecessaryily high quality of SACD, there are a lot of audiophiles who just aren't satisfied w/ current cd quality. There is definitely room for improvement - it's just that it's more perceptible to some than to others. Remember, the goal of high-quality audio media is to reproduce the sound as close to the real thing as possible. I'm pretty content w/ 2-channel stereo. I believe in 5.1 and stuff for DVD movies, but for songs it's not really necessary. |
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Were the headphones in the same pricerange as your "well designed stereo system"? |
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