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             from the turtle business on 2024-02-09 08:48 [#02632445]
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Imagine doing that for a woman, no wonder why I went looking  for butt sex 
 
  
         
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           big
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i am however, i regret to inform, Dutch
 
  
         
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           big
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it's unpaid work but also a labour of love, i still hold  friendly feelings towards Roger. though those disappeared a  bit at times 
 
  
         
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           big
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yeah, little is known about building racism. it's often  assumed it's passive, while it can be quite active, like the  video in my OP showed  
 
  
         
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           big
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rightwing opinions can often intersect with a lot of  heteronormativity btw
 
  "Heteronormativity is what makes heterosexuality seem  coherent, natural and privileged. It involves the assumption  that everyone is 'naturally' heterosexual, and that  heterosexuality is an ideal, superior to homosexuality or  bisexuality."
 
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           big
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i just do hand stuff, see
 
  
         
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           big
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this isn't something i come up with myself, i'm pretty much  quoting White Innocense, by this Dutch professor. who  actually published her book first in English, because she  knew Dutch society would be too fragile to take on her views 
 
  
         
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           Tony Danza
             from the river to the sea on 2024-02-09 14:03 [#02632460]
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Critical race theory emerged out of postmodernist  thought, which tends to be skeptical of the idea of  universal values, objective knowledge, individual merit,  Enlightenment rationalism, and liberalism—tenets that  conservatives tend to hold dear.
 
  I dunno man this sounds like the kind of caricature of  social justice that comes from guys like James Lindsay.  Except it's real...?
 
  What kind of basis for critique are you left with if you  throw universal values and objective knowledge under the  bus? 
 
  
         
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           Hyperflake
             from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2024-02-09 18:01 [#02632461]
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Apparently we share 50% of our genetics with bananas, some  of us on here much more than that! 
 
  
         
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           ijonspeches
             from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2024-02-09 18:18 [#02632462]
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           Hyperflake
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           big
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it was a reaction to what came before. by now it itself is  old again
 
  i just wanted to bond over pooping on liberalism together
 
  
         
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           big
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she doesn't really use terms like right- or leftwing, btw.  i'm probably not doing it justice altogether. i was just  fascinated, reading it (i still need to finish the last 1 or  2 chapters) the connections that were made with sexuality,  from racism. and how when you read it, you're like 'ah, of  course'. for me, at least 
 
  
         
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           mermaidman
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what they call liberal in the us is not the same as  liberalism though when they say liberal they mean  progressive no? 
 
  
         
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           big
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they're actually correct calling democrats liberals, because  to lefties liberals are not really progressive or left wing 
 
  
         
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but yes, they mean progressive anyway
  many tony has some leninist takes on this or something
 
  
         
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because the two major parties are the liberal and  conservative party representing the left and right when you  say liberal you don’t really mean someone supporting free  market capitalism  
 
  
         
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           big
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that is the big gripe we have with it, that they support it  
 
  and that the democrats and republicans are just putting on a  show, toying with these few rights women and homosexuals  have managed to get (and that trans folk don't seem to be  able to get)
 
  i don't really understand what's the question
 
  
         
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           mermaidman
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oh the democrat party supports capitalism sure but what i  mean is when you call someone liberal in the us you are not  really talking about someone supporting the economical  system like you would be if you called someone liberal in  europe possibly because there is no major party supporting  social democracy in us anyway 
 
  
         
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yeah what tony supports is full government control over the  market which is as retarded as no government control IMHO 
 
  
         
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           big
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yeah, that's probably a good way to look at it: no party  supporting social democracy (my knowledge on this isn't too  great)
 
  regarding government control: me, i'm a centrist on the  centralist - anarchist spectrum 
 
  
         
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'retarded' is a anti-autist slur. i wonder if idubzzz has  apologized for this particular one. i mean i liked he  apologized to black people and even tana mongeau, but still
 
  on the other hand he made full force 
 
  
         
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           mermaidman
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yeah sorry we can't use the r word right? i'm ready to step  down from my role as an xltronic member 
 
  
         
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           mermaidman
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full government control over economy
 
  
         
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           big
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we'll democratically centrally decide on what to do with you  (DEMOCRATIC CENTRALISM - how Socialists like Tony Danza ma...) 
 
  
         
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           Hyperflake
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           ijonspeches
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i guess it would have the same meaning thus being treated  the same way in court. its a bit like if you said: "i would  call you a cunt, if i was allowed to." you wont get away  with it and it probably is for the better. 
 
  
         
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           ijonspeches
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not that i consider it a good thing sueing people all day  and night,
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yeah i mean i don't condone the use of these words myself,  even anagrams really i was being facetious i suppose. 
 
  Having said that I don't think certain people getting po  faced about identity politics on a FUCKING MUSIC FORUM! is  appropriate either, but what do I know!  
 
  
         
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I was feigning anger by the way for comedic effect, well  mostly feigning it 
 
  
         
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           Hyperflake
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I can't believe I'm siding with that big tart Randy, look  what you made me do! 
 
  
         
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           Hyperflake
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           Hyperflake
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           ijonspeches
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nah, i get it. im tired and annoyed of this topic. it isnt that complicated  either.
  there may or may not have been posts that made this  discussion inevitable. i dont read all forum and basically  nothing of the discord.
  one good thing about it though is people talking about this  outside their bubble, yet in a place we have something in  common. 
  hopefully we can focus on that and respect each other as a  person and each others boundaries.
 
 
 
  
         
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           ijonspeches
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oh and i find it a bit sad also, that i have less to say  about electronic music at this point than all the other  topics. 
  found a great site though recently & i will open a thread  about it .-) 
 
  
         
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           Hyperflake
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I think I've lost the plot tonight, I just needed to get my  frustrations out, actually its really nothing to do with  what anyone has said if I think about it. I need to get off  the computer for a bit! 
 
  
         
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           big
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what's legal is not the same as what's moral 
  i didn't mind in this instance because the intend was not to  harm. though maybe a black person will find it hurtful  nonetheless. also the alt-right has exploited this irony  loophole so much...  
 
  
         
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           big
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*hugs
  i listened to this most recent Little Joel Patreon  livestream (check out Big Joel and Little Joel, on Youtube).  he named Trey Parker and Matt Stone as his favorite  conservative comedians. i guess i agree with that 
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
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"what's legal is not the same as what's moral" 
  Are YOU gonna define what's actually moral?
  YOU? come on. You're just a stupid fucking stupid asshole on  the internet, same as the rest of us. Why make ANYONE here a  moral authority?
 
  Are you gonna pretend your subjective values are some kind  of universal truth that exist outside of your body?
 
  I hope not, Archangel Big. Because that would be retarded.
  I've yet to see a good response to a wokester when blatantly  called out for being sanctimonious. You're sanctimonious  big. You're self righteous. You pretend your morals are  universal when they're just your own. This is a terrible  trait to have, it instantly makes you a piece of shit.
 
 
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
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I 100% reject Big as a moral authority.
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
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You're actually worse than the rest because you pretend to  know what's right.
 
  I never saw w M w pull that shit
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
             from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2024-02-11 10:59 [#02632510]
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And just cuz you called me alt-right, ill tackle that too:
  I don't really know what alt right means, or how it differs  from the traditional right, or how it differs from trumps  maga-tards. They're all more authoritarian than I am,  probably.
 
  I will say I disagree with political right wing on the  following :
 
  The death penalty (strongly opposed, the state has no right  to execute a man, and its very unseemly to do so after like  25 years waiting on death row. I detest it.)
 
  Abortion (I'm always pro choice in my personal vote, but the  law should be up to the states and local voters more than  anything. A fetus is alive to be sure, but its also  completely a parasite.)
 
  Gay marriage (get married and have fun. Fuck that dudes ass.  Yeah, boy. But no one has to make you a cake if they dont  want. This is common sense.)
 
  Immigration (you can lock the border down if possible, but  everyone already here should get full unequivocal amnesty).
 
  Government funding of disability and social security (some  people really need this assistance and I'm willing to fight  for their help).
 
  I'm not really easily offended but I slightly resent being  referred to as right wing. Every test I've ever taken has  put me in the libertarian center (dead center, due south).
 
  I don't really care beyond this, but I'll make this one  correction and leave it be.
 
  I certainty don't care much about racism. That's your  boogeyman, the thing you are justifabily allowed to hate.  Being a racist is not any worse than being a common asshole. 
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
             from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2024-02-11 11:08 [#02632511]
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im not supposed to have alcohol any more, the doctors say
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
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i also need to quit smoking cigarettes.
  dont tell my wife about this little flub. she's asleep
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
             from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2024-02-11 11:16 [#02632513]
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i'm sorry big I know you're trying to be good.
  i'm not trying to be good. I just want to be surrounded by  good art and then die.
 
  I guess that's pretty selfish but it's all I want.
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
             from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2024-02-11 11:24 [#02632514]
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you can take advice from big or wolfslice, or tony danza,
  but just recognize that you're talking advice from a man  with a hamster avatar, or a corpse,
 
  or tony danza
 
  
         
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           dariusgriffin
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morality is objective 
 
  
         
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           dariusgriffin
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exercise: argue that morality is subjective and personal  without using insults, libertarian clichés or appeals to an  imagined "common sense" (i.e. your personal bias). take care  to define what you mean when you talk of morality,  subjectivity, universal truth, etc. 
 
  
         
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