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online -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2023-05-03 16:52 [#02627155]
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Is it going to kill IDM?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-03 17:34 [#02627156]
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no aidea


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-03 18:59 [#02627157]
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well. actually. creatively, used nicely, i suppose it could
be the next autotune, effectively. 90% used to wallpaper
over some pop tart's awfulness; 10% like, i dunno, T-Pain
doing something interesting with it.

in that sense it will used to be accelerate the music
industry's ascent up its own fundament same as autotune. why
even sign post malone when the algorithm doesn't collect
royalties?

...and, yeah, some writers are striking over that somewhere,
now, i think.

the general arc of this "AI" -- which will not fucking go
AGI sorry -- will be

1) eventually everyone realizes these companies with their
giant models have scraped the internet, stolen everyone's
shit, and... the AI image generator does things like
hallucinate the gettyimages watermark, all the writers start
complaining they're not getting royalties from their work
being thrown into a blender

2) a lawsuit here, a lawsuit there, eventually a reliable
pattern for how to sue AI for IP infringement and then the
lawyers move in like the visigoths

3) AI is shut down and the only people who can use it are,
like, fucking jimmy iovine, because if you spend a few
million and build your own model out of pirated stuff and
keep it in-house
then you can effectively get away with
it because to do that you're already rich enough that you'll
be very hard to sue. microsoft is probably already using it
to quietly rip off who knows what


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-03 19:03 [#02627158]
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"our music is made by computers, because they don't make
mistakes" --KMFDM Sascha

i think the right way to use this would be, oh... i want to
see bjork drop $200k to train a custom model. that she would
fill it with whatever suits her fancy; that she would set up
reams of material to feed it with guiding instructions. then
you pay amazon AWS $200k and the next bjork album is a
$20/mo subscription service that generates custom versions
of itself for you.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-03 19:53 [#02627159]
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i suppose that'd be an obvious move for aphex too. but he'd
just upload 300 hours of his old tracks while bjork would, i
figure, get beyond obsessed with trying to make it "alive."
whether or not it would be, well, let's stick a pin in that


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-05-03 21:44 [#02627164]
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goodness!
not monthly subscriptions...

so the pusher new album then will be franksteinvord,
but everyone will be talkng about e-mail by bjork
or secret rephlex albums

kind of like your predictions with lawyers and bjork
sounds less boring than popular music right now



 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-04 03:17 [#02627172]
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goodness!
not monthly subscriptions...


well... i mean... think about the business model, here...

that instead of an AI built on scraped internet (teenage
girls with broken iphones, SA goons, afx fans) it's a custom
AI structure from a few days of whiteboard discussion --
does bjork do that? -- and then lots and lots of
deliberately made stems intended to... well, just ask bjork
to try and give it a soul. whether or not it would have a
soul... well, let's stick a pin in that (inflection missing
on internet). it's not about whether it has a soul, it's
simply that i feel bjork would uniquely deliver in such a
context. aphex is wonderful but i also see him uploading 300
hours of old recordings rather than getting lost in a
snowglobe like bjork

ANYWAYS! in addition to, i dunno, whatever collection of
example sonic structures bjork decided would be enough to
form the underpinning of a mind... some staff and A100s to
tinker and be sure you finally bite the bullet and... blow
$200k on the god ray of compute power. honestly might be the
most potent way you can spend cash today if you do it right,
now that i think on it

and bjork does well for herself, and this is done for love,
but those absurdly complex costumes are not exactly free,
right? and so how are we going to recoup our investments? we
are accounting

and for subscribing for $20 for a month it will generate a
custom version of the album for you, personally, every week.
a month will be enough for some, but others may keep going.
and it might go in the black for someone with bjork
visibility

but, yeah. you're setting yourself apart with a completely
bespoke model from handmade source material and then forging
in fires of mt. doom for $200k on AWS

and i was really off on all this trying to think: what is a
way to use this AI stuff that is actually IDM


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-04 04:23 [#02627173]
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hell you could sail past an album and create a generalized
personal muzak generator synced to your bioriddims via your
Apple SmartCrotch™

that i feel a triple win for the "clean room" approach, as
tech would call it

1. creating all your own source content [avoids IP theft,
create a purer and more potent result]
2. creating your own AI signal chain [yeah that's an apt
analogy] which will both [set you apart from the bud lite AI
shit, create a purer and more potent result]
3. creating your own signal chain will launch a plan for how
to build your source content, and then once you're into
building the source content, that will turn around and
suggest and improvement in your signal chain, and so on

i need a few months to finish my current consulting thing
tho


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-04 04:46 [#02627174]
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there have been many times like... darn it, someone had that
idea. or even worse, that i had it, and two years later...
yeah. never paid much ear to hustle culture

but what really sticks in my craw is i was reading about
stable diffusion works, and, DAMMIT. i hate myself for not
thinking of this

effectively it starts off with gaussian noise ('tv static')
and then iteratively, more clearly hallucinates the image
requested with your text prompt. has anyone noticed this is,
like... computational, tactical use of pareidolia?

and hell you can walk right over to music with that


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-04 05:01 [#02627175]
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tldr


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-05-04 07:47 [#02627177]
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text to image works pretty well,
its only bound to improve.

what would you need to let software write music for you?
1. a way to analyze multitracks from a sound file.
so it can copy and blend styles for you
2. a way to connect the ai to a ton of vsynths and a
software
3. the ai/trainer itself of course.

or just hire fanboys, more honest imo



 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-05-04 07:51 [#02627178]
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or just open a drum machine,
hit randomize, alter by ear,
fill it with your melody and enjoy


 

online -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2023-05-04 18:40 [#02627180]
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Maybe AI gets us back into acoustic music and it kills idm
in that way?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-04 21:23 [#02627181]
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we already freaking have that? and it's not terribly
interesting, is it? you're thinking like jimmy iovine

i'll try again

effectively it starts off with gaussian noise ('tv
static') and then iteratively, more clearly hallucinates the
image requested with your text prompt. has anyone noticed
this is, like... computational, tactical use of
pareidolia?


- start with white noise and iteratively hallucinate music
into it based on prompts
- start with a spattering of noise-generated MIDI and
iteratively iteratively hallucinate a whittled-down melody

...and the training is like: 1) you give it an example, some
input parameters (keywords etc) that distinguish the example
2) the computer progressively runs "gaussian blur" in
photoshop on the input, in tiered stages, in order to teach
itself how to un-blur things.

you can see how this is not even remotely close to
intelligence, it's just like... we now have a common tool
that intelligence uses all over. that the proper artful way
to use this is to be very deliberate in guiding what it
hallucinates in the noise.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-04 21:24 [#02627182]
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Maybe AI gets us back into acoustic music and it kills
idm in that way?


just like autotune taught people to sing properly; right


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 00:25 [#02627185]
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well... finally kills the music industry? i lean back to
"it'll just accelerate what's already going on."

"stars" come and disappear a lot more quickly now. in 40
years, people will remember Marvin Gaye -- but not Ed
Sheeran, perhaps. i can't really give you odds on that one

anyways -- they've been pumping out soulless garbage with
the help of autotune and LiveNation for 25 years, and now
they're paying for it because after these people fade off,
their back catalog is worth about a packet of crisps.

personally, if i were using an AI, i'd want to be sure Ed
Sheeran wasn't anywhere in it -- for obvious reasons, but
also because this would leave me open to a lawsuit from him

releasing a custom-built AI with content created from
scratch, andy warhol factory style, with the AI signal chain
being deliberate to the point of... creating a bass sound as
a sub-section instead of just hallucinating an entire track
at once out of 2 minutes of white noise -- and then "my new
album is an AI that generates unique versions of itself for
you"¹

...and i'm not only talking about making piracy somewhat
meaningless, but getting people to subscribe to an album.
despite it producing lossless downloads every week.

¹ [that'd be too much data at once, anyways... something
something time to frequency domain, FFTs, and/or convolution
matrix]


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 00:27 [#02627186]
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if the model that generates the album leaked onto
bittorrent, well, that'd be some next-level piracy, though,
right?

you can torrent facebook's leaked LLM. just saying


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 00:50 [#02627187]
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they've been pumping out soulless garbage with the help
of autotune and LiveNation for 25 years, and now they're
paying for it because after these people fade off, their
back catalog is worth about a packet of crisps


oooh, ooh. buy total pwnership of a bunch of 90s pop that's,
well, rather 3rd-tier and forgotten by history -- masters,
song rights, etc -- for cheap. just, anything decent you can
get for a price.

there's your jimmy iovine AI on a budget


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 00:52 [#02627188]
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if my talk of de-blurring was tldr4u then how about: this
sort of AI -- the one getting all the buzz now -- is really
just a generalized mashup facility.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 01:02 [#02627189]
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releasing a custom-built AI with content created from
scratch, andy warhol factory style, with the AI signal chain
being deliberate to the point of... creating a bass sound as
a sub-section instead of just hallucinating an entire track
at once out of 2 minutes of white noise -- and then "my new
album is an AI that generates unique versions of itself for
you"


i have another cute idea: that, we need to solve... how is
it customized for you? how can you make it personal
without giving someone a personality test?

so, you log into your subscription acct and it says, "tell
me how you're feeling with your face" and you take a selfie
and upload it to the site and that's the input for the
custom version of the album.

...and, again, do you see it? piracy becomes meaningless.
people subscribe to an album so they can keep getting custom
versions for their own little microcosm


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 02:59 [#02627190]
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content created from scratch, andy warhol factory
style


that, continuing the analogy, one track is marilyn monroe,
another is the campbell's soup can, and you have a process
set up to churn out 140 variations of these, because you
need at least that order of magnitude in order to not get
garbage (out).

i would actually be kind of amused by... you carefully
define an actual analog setup, one of those expensive
computer-controlled summing boxes instead of a mixer, and
then you have to wait 45 minutes because it literally is
recording the album for you on actual gear.

the setup has obviously been clearly defined, infinitely
fixed forever once defined, and is cheap [enough] that you
can clone it a few dozen times to handle the capacity.

but that's a very expensive way to do it.

on that note -- perhaps $5 a tug is a far better business
model than $20/mo subscribe and one per week.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 04:01 [#02627191]
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and, oh, sorry -- you're keeping track of all this, right?
for $5 a tug you upload a selfie of yourself making a face
to indicate how you feel, and from there you've done >100
variations of each track, and out comes lossless custom
version of the album for you [not only is piracy
meaningless, but if you try -- we have your picture]

that here is about where i remember we're doing this for
bjork, partly because of her logistical infrastructure. 100
variations -- ouch, right? but what if you have an
absolutely fixed setup and get 100 different bands in to
record the album? and the bjork infrastructure be like "yes,
we are hello" here

outsource the stuff to translate a selfie into a series of
usable parameters. someone does that already i'm sure


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 04:24 [#02627192]
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133 variations


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 04:25 [#02627193]
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and they all have to record their variation 4-8 times, to be
clear.... or, at least, this is about where i start to say,
"my doubts as to this working are beginning to ease"


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 10:30 [#02627194]
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outsource the stuff to translate a selfie into a series
of usable parameters. someone does that already i'm
sure


...and if i'm wrong about someone doing that, well, probably
a better business, there, really

but, bonus cheek: part of this will be detecting when it's
simply not a selfie, in which case i'd somewhat seriously
propose it eating your $5 like an evil vending machine and
if you actually uploaded a selfie and this is wrong please
click a button. the button just leads them to another page
and doesn't actually store any sort of record on the server.
then perhaps quietly grandfather in people uploading photos
of their pets.


 

online -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2023-05-05 11:03 [#02627196]
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You're using chatgpt to write all your posts?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 11:34 [#02627197]
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i've actually not tried any of these things except
huggingfacez' no-login lambda bot. it promptly wrote some of
the most gender-insensitive python code i've ever seen, and
i haven't been back since.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-05 13:47 [#02627202]
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justice


 

online -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2023-05-05 18:58 [#02627206]
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You should be writing books..1000+ Pages. You are amazing at
writing things down



 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-06 19:42 [#02627211]
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oh i try a bit. i suppose there is a book, in,
like... it's all just a series of nested terrariums powered
by the energy of the sun that pumps entropy out into space
like a heat pump. our brains pump out disorder and the
planet pumps out waste heat into space, thus allowing a
concentration of... dis-entropy? to grow within, dyson
sphere style. that life didn't originate around deep-sea
vents, it originated multiple times within sealed pockets
powered by alpha radiation, sealed in a bubble stewing for a
million years, pool gunk gathering at the edges with RNA
precursors. then one of them finally cracked open and
spilled out into the ocean. language is similar

it's a lot of work though and i'm not sure how to... write a
book and not have it totally ignored.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-06 19:55 [#02627212]
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i should find the thred where mermaid man was like, YOU
WROTE ALL THOSE POSTS IN ONE OR TWO MINUTES EACH?

then i scrolled up and was like... wow, yeah, actually.
that's pretty nuts how fast i wrote all that


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-06 20:26 [#02627216]
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maybe that'd mean those DEVO helmets are the equivalent of
piping your own farts back into a gas mask.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-06 20:32 [#02627217]
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i guess i'm the sort of skeptic that says, "orgone energy is
a lazy, crap idea, but it probably wouldn't be an idea
unless there was something of value down there" and yes,
dis-entropy or such. and perhaps a DEVO helmet is like
throwing a thick blanket over the part of the air condition
that hangs out the side of the house. maybe that was the
joke. no idea


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-06 20:55 [#02627218]
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then i remember myself around... oh, according to the file
timestamp, this was Aug 3 2000, 4 or 5 pm. which would make
me 15. afx and i have close birthdays

LAZY_TITLE

archive.org has the page i posted it on but it missed
scrubbing up the photos. so had to find that in my own
archives


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 09:57 [#02627276]
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You should be writing books..1000+ Pages. You are amazing
at writing things down


that it bugs me quite a lot. oh, you should write a book.
and i'd like to. the idea feels... indulgent, really. but
then i wrote sporadically in a wordpress and then
recently, oh i'll clean some of this up and try medium. and
same feeling, just working very hard and feeling satisfied
and people i directly send it to seemed to like it but it
went nowhere just like the wordpress.

i can write, i think my music is at least a cut above
anything on watmm, i can solder and build synths, i hate
folding laundry with a passion. however, i can also write
software, and that pays better than any of that other thing.
i got laid off last year and i'm still james bond pulling
the plane up in goldeneye, here

and writing a book seems indulgent. especially if it goes
like the other crap. honestly get much better responses on
here


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 11:02 [#02627277]
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that i checked on my medium thing now, and stats have gotten
even more detailed and helpful in 2022: of the 44 views of
my things, 31% of those actually read the full article, and
here is a detailed breakdown of which. in order to make any
money off of this site you have to have, i think, 100
subscribers. oh well. i'm happy with my articles. i'm not
pissed. i'm not surprised, either. i don't think i'll write
any more there, however -- pull the draft bits and go back
to wordpress or such. i hate its minimalist style
enforcements anyways


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 19:25 [#02627320]
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i suppose i'm just compulsively fascinated by things for
some unfathomable reason. like this. i went to google trends
because i was curious, like, is interest in ChatGPT holding?
is it starting to get old hat? and the trend line is, like,
oh, weird. that it's pulsing like a heartbeat on a weekly
cycle? does this just reflect the general level of traffic
on google search? so i drop in "elon musk" and then
"ukraine" just to throw in some things that people will be
-- in my errant meatsack opinion -- equally likely to search
for in, oh... past 90 days?

and, no. this trend line is still weird as shit. why is it
pulsing like this

LAZY_TITLE

and the basic story of my long-ass posts is... this is an
anomaly, and it bothers me, and it will continue to do so
until i have some long-ass answer to post, thank you for
reading my post.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 19:32 [#02627321]
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oh, slightly de-weirded. but it still has a vague
whiff of bots to it -- sticks to its pulse even when AI
wobbles


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 19:43 [#02627322]
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there's no reason the truth can't be hilarious.
alright. nevermind. solved to my satisfaction


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 19:53 [#02627323]
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oh, right -- so what was it?

that searches for beer surge on the weekend while searches
for ChatGPT tank most on monday, tuesday -- clearly there's
a bit of a hangover before we move on to sneakily using
ChatGPT to do our job for us

[which might make you feel clever, but understand you're
making a very solid case for your own redundancy]


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-08 03:53 [#02627325]
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i listened to npr marketplace from last friday and they have
these people on... a couple who is all "oh we're not saving
for our kids college because AI. we're also blowing money
now on a vacation" after the kid arguing with his mom, that
he may only have fifteen years left to live

and perhaps i'm horribly off-base. but i can only think a)
you've never seen a tech bubble burst in your lifetime have
you b) if that does come you're going to be a bit stuck
aren't you

but after seeing that graph i think there are a lot of
people in tedious office jobs that will get replaced. then
AI will screw it up and start talking about napalm recipes
during a health insurance conversation, and, crap, for
liability reasons, we need you to come back to the office
plz

and perhaps i'm horribly off-base. but about all i see,
after a lot of panic, is an automated pharmacy phone menu
that is infinitely more bastardly to flummox into giving you
a real person on the line


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-08 04:00 [#02627326]
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they hit a CPU wall somewhere between GPT-3 and GPT-4 and
the big gains are over until there's another paradigm shift,
really.

i guess what i'm watching for is when will it dawn on people
it's been stuck in the same spot for... oh, probably early
next year. when it's been stuck in the same spot for most of
a year.

then we'll see if GPT-5 is crap or not. does it seem smarter
or does it just offer "more relevant information" e.g. ads?
if they manage to make GPT-5 something despite no longer
being able to throw enough computer at it to push it any
further, despite lawsuits... maybe this still has some
momentum. but the house does not favor it

and i'll shut up now. sheesh. sry


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 16:02 [#02627385]
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Geoffrey Hinton. I'm named Geoffrey, I'd tell him. But then
I half wonder if he'd look at my last name instead and ask
about some of my dad's papers on machine vision. But I'd
give that 5% -- it was more the reverse. He literally
mentioned Hinton by name talking about stuff I didn't yet --
and still really don't, if i had to get down to it --
understand yet, when I was a teenager, and he was working
for some facial recognition startup and long story short,
they had their own innovations, but they wouldn't have even
had a company without Hinton. I understood this much

so wired -- thanks, wired, for still being around
[you were kind of like Vice before Vice was Vice and you're
still you and you're still here] -- talks with him and i
think i do have a moment for a read. even though i'd not
terribly been following -- ohh, eh, he worked for google?
but

Hinton says he asked the model to explain a joke that he
had just made up—he doesn’t recall the specific
quip—and was astonished to get a response that clearly
explained what made it funny. “I’d been telling people
for years that it's gonna be a long time before AI can tell
you why jokes are funny,” he says. “It was a kind of
litmus test.”


it is a beard-tugger, i have to say. but i'm not sold unless
he can show me the joke, and the explanation -- that,
roughly, if the joke has been told on the internet a few
times [whether he thinks he came up with it himself or not]
then why it is funny has likely been precomputed through
millions of dollars worth of CPU time across all the jokes
on the internet.

and i'm skeptical because


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 16:08 [#02627386]
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gender-insensitive python code. that i would never have sat
down and tried to come up with a phrase, but... i've some
idea i'll not discuss because if it works it could be worth
a few bucks, right? and maybe AI. so i split off a splinter
of the idea, and a splinter of that splinter, and
eventually: alright, this seems nice and bite-size. and i
essentially ask the AI to write python code to generate a
small subsection of an RPG character description

it is promptly: "if male, ..., else ..."

...and not only is this, like... you see the dumpster fire
already, here? ...but to make it worse, "else" clearly got a
lot meaner adjectives.

the kicker is i'd not asked for anything gender-based at all
in my prompt. the internet is horrible, so, from this, an AI
generated from the internet is horrible. and i go back to:
this may be built on rocket scientists and authors using the
internet but it's also based on something awful and teenage
girls with broken iPhones with cracked screens. posting in a
camry missing a hubcap etc etc

and again, i get back to: what was your joke, dammit. and
what, exactly, did it say to explain it? this matters as to
whether your "litmus test" hasn't been compromised by
someone spilling coffee on the test strip

hell, maybe i should write him. but i'd not even use my name
it'd be distracting


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 17:14 [#02627387]
Points: 24872 Status: Regular



i mean, is that hard to understand? i asked it to generate a
fragment of an RPG character description, not mentioning
gender at all -- not implicitly required; hell, it was not
even on my radar. totally irrelevant. and "if male" then
"otherwise" and otherwise gets meaner words

i was not trying to get it to spew sexist... genderist? i
don't even have the words, but... i was not trying to get it
to spew this crap at all. in fact, i sat down and earnestly
tried to use it for something nice. in fact i'm not even
sure of the right words to articulate why this is offensive,
i just know some people i know and respect would definitely
find this offensive. and that i even feel compelled to
explain is because we're on the internet. and yes, this AI
is definitely made from the internet

it's more likely to put a giant ascii 8=============D ~~ on
the wall street stock ticker than it is to destroy us. thus
far.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 18:02 [#02627388]
Points: 24872 Status: Regular



mmm

1) break out "funny" into a tree, and, my favorite dead baby
joke is the one that combines dead baby jokes with a
lightbulb, and the internet knows this joke. so it knows
riffs on this joke, and vaguer, more general versions of
this joke. this covers a lot of ground, to be sure, the
whole internet -- but if no one on the internet has told the
joke before you ran your big run (what was it? ChatGPT only
goes up to 2021?) then it will struggle to connect the dots
unless it can find a path from existing jokes on the
internet

2) you will never get something awful out of your bot unless
you bin it all and make your own content from scratch.

3) you can guard against making it say explicitly sexist
things via going cocaine monkey on a million rules reacting
to people figuring out new ways to get it to say sexist
things, but you're going to have a rough time getting it to,
say... write python code that is not implicitly
sexist.

4) you will never get something awful out of your bot

5) it's more likely to inject an ascii penis into a stock
ticker than it is to destroy us all

sorry, working on my messaging, here


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 18:13 [#02627389]
Points: 24872 Status: Regular



so we're doing a remake of robocop 2 except instead of OCP
it's microsoft trying to jam in rules about good PR and
profit and i'm sure their list is about how OCP's went in
the movie.

and also, instead of a "devout irish catholic," as fexx puts
it in the movie, Murphy has inexplicably been turned into
Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka, who switches through various
characters like Cliff Yablonski and JeffK in a dissociative
haze

surely a careful set of rules can clean this up


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-11 21:07 [#02627469]
Points: 24872 Status: Regular | Followup to -crazone: #02627206



here is an article saying... bunches of what i just said,
arranged not in a pile of rambles.

yep. why bother to clean this up and post it on medium?
someone else will do it just fine. it will only get 22 views
anyways, and only 31% of those read the full article etc


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-11 21:09 [#02627470]
Points: 24872 Status: Regular



but no one on here gives a toss either
i think i'll just start keeping it to myself
it's not hard to write this shit in a text file instead.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-12 05:27 [#02627493]
Points: 24872 Status: Regular



Sam Altman is officially an awful selfish doomer prepper who
is interested in, say, psychedelics, not because of what
they do, because, my gosh, there's so much untapped profit
here. that, can i say this on the internet, legally? Sam
Altman: you are going to hell


 


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