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online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 17:15 [#02591476]
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LAZY_TITLE

whole thing is very depressing.

there are millions out there like this guy: college dropout,
dead-end job, addicted to youtube. people who are wads of
putty shaped by whatever youtube sends them, not sharp or
educated enough to think for themselves

but i do suppose we need someone to pack boxes at the
furniture warehouse

youtube: training drones for tomorrow's dead-end jobs


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 17:35 [#02591477]
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I remember when they changed the 'Up next' thing from being
'videos related to the video you just watched' to 'videos
related to the whole lot of videos you've ever watched', and
it became instantly very weird and almost completely
useless. It was no longer possible to go from one video to
another for hours at a time and feel like you were
constantly finding new interesting stuff, but it would v.
quickly come back to the same set of vids, which were often
v. cheesy surface level things, no depth.

It does fit in with how I've seen a lot of people use
youtube though - they don't have any ideas for things to
type in the search box, and just go with the 'recommended'
always. I know there is now TONNES of content on there that
is related to particular subjects never comes up in this
recommended thing, you have to do a search, and often quite
specific search.

Though obviously they could just kick people who's
ideologies the NY Times et al don't like off there, and
that will fix all of this.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 17:40 [#02591479]
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Lazy_chomsky


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 17:58 [#02591481]
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it's not a free speech debate. we got freedom of speech on
youtube, and i would not say attempting to take that away is
the answer. the problem is youtube profiting off of
engagement times combined with a generation that is probably
the least-educated in a hundred years


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 18:18 [#02591483]
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Agree completely, it's gonna be about alt-right 4 NY Times
same way that if the Spectator or some right leaning rag did
the article it would be about antifa - although if that is
not the issue they are on about then it may be an idea to
write the article with a bunch of different types of
'extremism' - more examples, better view on the problem.

So, get rid of Youtube? Not gonna happen. If it did happen a
competitor would take it's place.
Make Youtube do things differently? Could happen, be very
complicated, they would find ways around it.
Need some lateral thinking.


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:32 [#02591487]
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i read that as "alt-right F4" originally, and that strikes
me as a worthwhile keyboard shortcut

perhaps memes are the answer:
"watches youtube. believes everything"
"tries to build his subscriber base. has to put in a shift
at the box factory"


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:35 [#02591489]
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"has no marketable skills. blames society for inability to
make it as a 'creator'"


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:36 [#02591490]
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"unable to do long division. complains of liberal bias in
news algorithms"


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 18:38 [#02591492]
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tbh i can actually see more&more where the old hippies were
coming from when they wanted to dose everyone with acid
*does alt-right F4, gets instant RSI* hmm tho its nicer with
Fn-lock


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:39 [#02591493]
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wish they'd managed to pull it off, yep.


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:40 [#02591494]
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that being said, that vintage was not always terribly
thoughtful about the potential negative consequences of
psychedelics. if you've read The Electric Kool Aid Acid
Test, there are multiple instances of them thoughtlessly,
unceremoniously, abandoning someone who wasn't prepared for
a trip or had a breakdown. the grim meat-hook realities, as
hunter s. thompson put it


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 18:48 [#02591497]
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Oh god yes, on the face of it is an absolutely terrible
idea, but i think it came from the decent place that they
realised that things start and end with the conciousness of
individuals, and acid was a way of power cycling that,
making people see Nassr Eddin's Donkey.


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-12-14 18:51 [#02591498]
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you need a strong mental constitution and ideally somebody
around who's not tripping to anchor you, though if the water
supply etc was laced i'm sure we would see some, ahem,
"interesting" results. it could result in revolution or a
ptsd epidemic or both


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:59 [#02591499]
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yes, two incidents in particular come to mind:

1) some girl who'd been on the magic mystery tour bus for a
while, buried somewhere in middle america. on acid, she gets
naked and the cops pick her up. they just kind of let it
happen, and do nothing to help her. kesey concludes "she's
gotten off the bus" and that became a sort of code for when
the group was cutting someone loose because they were
jeopardizing 'em. it's understandable, but it's still quite
cold

2) some other girl who wasn't part of the group, had no idea
what acid was, drank the kool aid at some party, and begins
freaking out. the merry pranksters circle around her and
begin fucking with her head instead of helping

i think it's pretty standard: growing up, i did look up to
hippies. but then you start hearing of stuff like this and
you get this increasingly smell of absolute rejection of
consequences

revolution or a ptsd epidemic or both

i would guess both. the adult answer is easing up the laws
on psychedelics and allowing therapists to use 'em in
sessions

ideally, i think psychedelics should be legal, but you
should essentially have to get a driver's license: pass some
tests, demonstrate basic understanding and a degree of
stability. but of course anyone with a license would just
resell and how do you even determine who gets one; doubt it
would work in reality but it's how i wish it would.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:05 [#02591500]
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America and Russia did proper research into it as a weapon,
i guess somewhere there is quite a lot of fairly thorough
scenarios for what may happen if you dosed the water supply



 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 19:12 [#02591502]
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weapons, hmm?

check out this guy

highlights include attempting to engineer madrax-laced
tear-gas to sedate crowds and hundreds of pounds of ludes
going missing as the program was dismantled.

weapons programs like this, always wind up like this


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:16 [#02591503]
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Oof, its hardly an ant felling the empire state building is
it.
Anyway I really didn't mean to derail this (honest)
Its just a general thing that ppl should 'wake up', and that
is best done by hard work rather than any drug.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:18 [#02591504]
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don't mean in an Amazon warehouse or whatev, but everyone
needs bread


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 19:21 [#02591505]
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well, personally, i would argue otherwise. i first tried
psychedelics at 21. i was in college. it was just assumed
i'd go to college. or, well, uni, to translate to british.
but then i'm on acid, and i'm realizing: i never made any of
these decisions for myself. i never decided i would go to
college, my parents decided that for me. i realized there
was this train so many rode on: school, college, career,
marriage, kids, retirement, death. that so many just numbly
rode the thing the whole way, never realizing that they
hadn't actually made any of the decisions.

my reaction was, admittedly, short-sighted and immature. as
soon as i realized i was on that train, i threw myself off
in between stops. made a real mess for myself for a few
years; eventually got it back together. in retrospect, i
should have waited until the next station


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-12-14 19:22 [#02591506]
Points: 4822 Status: Regular



yeah youtube has some military lsd experiments, how soldiers
react to being dosed and so on. apparently it's hard to turn
into aerosol form though

i'm all for legalisation and education, but lsd doesn't
automatically make "nasty" people into "nice" people. i can
see it turning a bit lord of the flies, drug hardheads do
seem to like fucking with the freakout cases. mind you i've
only ever done acid alone so dunno how it'd function if
whole swathes of the country were on one. aside from
anything there'd be a fuckload of traffic problems. i would
like to see parliament on acid though. "order, order! oh
woah my hands"


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 19:23 [#02591507]
Points: 13432 Status: Addict | Followup to steve mcqueen: #02591504



don't mean in an Amazon warehouse or whatev, but everyone
needs bread


from the article i linked in the first post:

"This group calls itself BreadTube, a reference to the
left-wing anarchist Peter Kropotkin’s 1892 book, 'The
Conquest of Bread.'"



 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 19:24 [#02591508]
Points: 13432 Status: Addict | Followup to belb: #02591506



LAZY_TITLE


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:50 [#02591511]
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bread = (also) UK slang for dough, money
my missuses parents were/area 60s anarchists, like proper
anarchists who read books n shit. I'd say they'd probably be
classed as right wing by a lot of today standards.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:52 [#02591512]
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@nickszabo4


 

offline mohamed on 2019-12-14 20:18 [#02591523]
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Sunil patella a fucking fraud


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-15 01:12 [#02591547]
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i come a memorial, on a crossroads


 

offline mohamed on 2019-12-15 11:15 [#02591562]
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A Polliceman killer
All Praise be upon the meth police


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-15 11:18 [#02591563]
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leftube, or breadtube is striking back


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-15 11:20 [#02591564]
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> but i do suppose we need someone to pack boxes at the
furniture warehouse

this isn't a very productive take but it's also false. these
people are being trained to become stochastic terrorists


 

offline Tony Danza from Las Vegas, probably on 2019-12-15 14:33 [#02591568]
Points: 1984 Status: Regular



I'm 100% stupidpilled now and fully agree with the stupidpol
critique of liberalism that culture wars and idpol are ways
of distracting people from a more substantial critique of
dynastic wealth, power, and privilege.

Liberalism and fascism are both defenses of oligarchy, and
the argument between them is not whether there's something
fundamentally wrong with the way we structure commerce and
production, but whether women and "minorities" and so on
should be allowed privileged access to the upper echelons of
the actually existing structure.

Anyways it's good to be reminded that we are becoming a non
literate culture in which people on Reddit duel by posting
links to multi hour monetized videos instead of brief,
punchy essays that contain just as much information but take
minutes to read.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-12-15 14:55 [#02591569]
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“Anyways it's good to be reminded that we are becoming a
non
literate culture in which people on Reddit duel by posting
links to multi hour monetized videos instead of brief,
punchy essays that contain just as much information but take

minutes to read”

Yeah this is happening. I even notice the trend with people
my age or my family. If I send a mail or text that’s
“long” they won’t read it.


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 16:26 [#02591572]
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it's because long videos get to show more ads, thus making
both youtube and content "creators" more dosh

meanwhile, i saw this when i was a little kid one
morning, and even though i'd never heard of LSD i still
thought this show was completely full of shit


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-12-15 17:26 [#02591577]
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that link is fucking hilarious! "leading an idle, dissolute
or immoral life" is a crime? hahaha

also, the opening theme is nodded to by inspector gadget which
is probably about as realistic


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 19:07 [#02591587]
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the soundtrack from that show, always loved it growing up. i
rediscovered it in 2014 or something. it's all analog,
modulars, it was released on vinyl. there's loads of stuff
with french lyrics you never heard in the english versions.
penny was originally sophie in french and i feel
cheated they didn't bother to add vocals for the english
version

meanwhile, the other show i remember from the era when
"Dragnet" was still on TV here and there, is Get Smart
which was, in retrospect, a parody of james bond, with some
definite dragnet lifts too. don adams, who played the lead
character, is the voice of inspector gadget

i actually never confirmed this until just now, but when i
was a kid, that amused the heck out of me; was never any
doubt: that's the same voice. maxwell smart, inspector
gadget

i'm just the man for the job!


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 19:30 [#02591595]
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lol


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 19:40 [#02591598]
Points: 13432 Status: Addict



LAZY_TITLE

go figure people have "remixed" this


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 19:50 [#02591600]
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we need a new future instead of internet and tech. all we
are going to get from it now is BORING dystopia. inevitable
dystopia. its completely dull which is why there isnt an
episode of black mirror that is actually interesting


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:03 [#02591602]
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look at how dead and extremely gay that is, big. and that
fucking old ass never was cool synthwave shit. yeah so how
about an expansive grid in EPIC purple with lazers and
turquoise palm trees!

its reddit. dont you EVER bring reddit back to these parts
again big this is a final warning less u lookin to get
balled up


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:06 [#02591603]
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post #02591600 was a response to epic not tony (didnt mean
to pull u into this tony)


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:09 [#02591604]
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ugh here is more grids palm trees and sunsets +
very gay politics. the internet is trash ok


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 20:13 [#02591605]
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please try to post more coherently.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:17 [#02591607]
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where did i lose you?


 

offline Tony Danza from Las Vegas, probably on 2019-12-15 20:26 [#02591608]
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Very pleased to hear I'm not the only one bored to tears by
Black Mirror. I was initially excited and watched the first
pig fucking one, then never made it all the way through
another. Every plot is just "man discovers that technology
is bad, with devastating consequences" like this hasn't been
a major theme in art and literature since the myth of
Prometheus.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:44 [#02591612]
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yeah. and hey theres nothing wrong with those themes ykno
but its not very creative if you cant do a bit more with it.
i just think it makes it obvious how little we actually
bother to picture the future. and of course we will be
absolutely useless when it comes to actually shaping the
future if we can hardly be bothered to picture it


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 21:59 [#02591615]
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please, do -- tell me how you, AMPI, and Tony, can do black
mirror better based on your combined twelve minutes of
watching it


 

offline Tony Danza from Las Vegas, probably on 2019-12-15 22:43 [#02591618]
Points: 1984 Status: Regular | Followup to EpicMegatrax: #02591615



How much science fiction have you read, my brother? Black
Mirror is some thin watery piss, a cauldron of soup
containing one bean and a single grain of salt.

There's more ideas about how technology changes humans and
human culture in a single short story from the 40s than in
all the sci fi television series broadcast in the last 30
years.

start here


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-16 21:04 [#02591665]
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noooo

liberation of marginalized groups needs to be fought as
well.

what you saying now is also playing into the elites'
devisive playbook


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-12-16 21:08 [#02591666]
Points: 14526 Status: Regular



Black Mirror is fine. 🙄


 

offline Tony Danza from Las Vegas, probably on 2019-12-16 21:55 [#02591670]
Points: 1984 Status: Regular | Followup to big: #02591665



sorry big I'm based now and your radlib arguments bounce off
me like nerf darts. Working people of all categories living
on credit to afford rent and dying of easily treatable
illnesses aren't going to be helped by debates over what
color foot is in the boot they're expected to lick.


 

offline Roger Wilco from God's naked opera on 2019-12-16 22:33 [#02591671]
Points: 841 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02591618



I have (and have read) that very same edition (with that
cover). Totes agree with sentiments expressed re 40s 50s 60s
sci-fi and the yawn-inducing bore d-fart that is the
charmless Black Mirror


 


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