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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 17:15 [#02591476]
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whole thing is very depressing.
there are millions out there like this guy: college dropout, dead-end job, addicted to youtube. people who are wads of putty shaped by whatever youtube sends them, not sharp or educated enough to think for themselves
but i do suppose we need someone to pack boxes at the furniture warehouse
youtube: training drones for tomorrow's dead-end jobs
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 17:35 [#02591477]
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I remember when they changed the 'Up next' thing from being 'videos related to the video you just watched' to 'videos related to the whole lot of videos you've ever watched', and it became instantly very weird and almost completely useless. It was no longer possible to go from one video to another for hours at a time and feel like you were constantly finding new interesting stuff, but it would v. quickly come back to the same set of vids, which were often v. cheesy surface level things, no depth.
It does fit in with how I've seen a lot of people use youtube though - they don't have any ideas for things to type in the search box, and just go with the 'recommended' always. I know there is now TONNES of content on there that is related to particular subjects never comes up in this recommended thing, you have to do a search, and often quite specific search.
Though obviously they could just kick people who's ideologies the NY Times et al don't like off there, and that will fix all of this.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 17:40 [#02591479]
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 17:58 [#02591481]
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it's not a free speech debate. we got freedom of speech on youtube, and i would not say attempting to take that away is the answer. the problem is youtube profiting off of engagement times combined with a generation that is probably the least-educated in a hundred years
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 18:18 [#02591483]
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Agree completely, it's gonna be about alt-right 4 NY Times same way that if the Spectator or some right leaning rag did the article it would be about antifa - although if that is not the issue they are on about then it may be an idea to write the article with a bunch of different types of 'extremism' - more examples, better view on the problem.
So, get rid of Youtube? Not gonna happen. If it did happen a competitor would take it's place.
Make Youtube do things differently? Could happen, be very complicated, they would find ways around it.
Need some lateral thinking.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:32 [#02591487]
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i read that as "alt-right F4" originally, and that strikes me as a worthwhile keyboard shortcut
perhaps memes are the answer: "watches youtube. believes everything" "tries to build his subscriber base. has to put in a shift at the box factory"
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:35 [#02591489]
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"has no marketable skills. blames society for inability to make it as a 'creator'"
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:36 [#02591490]
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"unable to do long division. complains of liberal bias in news algorithms"
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 18:38 [#02591492]
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tbh i can actually see more&more where the old hippies were coming from when they wanted to dose everyone with acid
*does alt-right F4, gets instant RSI* hmm tho its nicer with Fn-lock
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:39 [#02591493]
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wish they'd managed to pull it off, yep.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:40 [#02591494]
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that being said, that vintage was not always terribly thoughtful about the potential negative consequences of psychedelics. if you've read The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, there are multiple instances of them thoughtlessly, unceremoniously, abandoning someone who wasn't prepared for a trip or had a breakdown. the grim meat-hook realities, as hunter s. thompson put it
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 18:48 [#02591497]
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Oh god yes, on the face of it is an absolutely terrible idea, but i think it came from the decent place that they realised that things start and end with the conciousness of individuals, and acid was a way of power cycling that, making people see Nassr Eddin's Donkey.
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-12-14 18:51 [#02591498]
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you need a strong mental constitution and ideally somebody around who's not tripping to anchor you, though if the water supply etc was laced i'm sure we would see some, ahem, "interesting" results. it could result in revolution or a ptsd epidemic or both
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 18:59 [#02591499]
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yes, two incidents in particular come to mind:
1) some girl who'd been on the magic mystery tour bus for a while, buried somewhere in middle america. on acid, she gets naked and the cops pick her up. they just kind of let it happen, and do nothing to help her. kesey concludes "she's gotten off the bus" and that became a sort of code for when the group was cutting someone loose because they were jeopardizing 'em. it's understandable, but it's still quite cold
2) some other girl who wasn't part of the group, had no idea what acid was, drank the kool aid at some party, and begins freaking out. the merry pranksters circle around her and begin fucking with her head instead of helping
i think it's pretty standard: growing up, i did look up to hippies. but then you start hearing of stuff like this and you get this increasingly smell of absolute rejection of consequences
revolution or a ptsd epidemic or both
i would guess both. the adult answer is easing up the laws on psychedelics and allowing therapists to use 'em in sessions
ideally, i think psychedelics should be legal, but you should essentially have to get a driver's license: pass some tests, demonstrate basic understanding and a degree of stability. but of course anyone with a license would just resell and how do you even determine who gets one; doubt it would work in reality but it's how i wish it would.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:05 [#02591500]
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America and Russia did proper research into it as a weapon, i guess somewhere there is quite a lot of fairly thorough scenarios for what may happen if you dosed the water supply
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 19:12 [#02591502]
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weapons, hmm?
check out this guy
highlights include attempting to engineer madrax-laced tear-gas to sedate crowds and hundreds of pounds of ludes going missing as the program was dismantled.
weapons programs like this, always wind up like this
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:16 [#02591503]
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Oof, its hardly an ant felling the empire state building is it.
Anyway I really didn't mean to derail this (honest) Its just a general thing that ppl should 'wake up', and that is best done by hard work rather than any drug.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:18 [#02591504]
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don't mean in an Amazon warehouse or whatev, but everyone needs bread
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 19:21 [#02591505]
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well, personally, i would argue otherwise. i first tried psychedelics at 21. i was in college. it was just assumed i'd go to college. or, well, uni, to translate to british. but then i'm on acid, and i'm realizing: i never made any of these decisions for myself. i never decided i would go to college, my parents decided that for me. i realized there was this train so many rode on: school, college, career, marriage, kids, retirement, death. that so many just numbly rode the thing the whole way, never realizing that they hadn't actually made any of the decisions.
my reaction was, admittedly, short-sighted and immature. as soon as i realized i was on that train, i threw myself off in between stops. made a real mess for myself for a few years; eventually got it back together. in retrospect, i should have waited until the next station
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-12-14 19:22 [#02591506]
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yeah youtube has some military lsd experiments, how soldiers react to being dosed and so on. apparently it's hard to turn into aerosol form though
i'm all for legalisation and education, but lsd doesn't automatically make "nasty" people into "nice" people. i can see it turning a bit lord of the flies, drug hardheads do seem to like fucking with the freakout cases. mind you i've only ever done acid alone so dunno how it'd function if whole swathes of the country were on one. aside from anything there'd be a fuckload of traffic problems. i would like to see parliament on acid though. "order, order! oh woah my hands"
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 19:23 [#02591507]
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don't mean in an Amazon warehouse or whatev, but everyone needs bread
from the article i linked in the first post:
"This group calls itself BreadTube, a reference to the left-wing anarchist Peter Kropotkin’s 1892 book, 'The Conquest of Bread.'"
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-14 19:24 [#02591508]
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:50 [#02591511]
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bread = (also) UK slang for dough, money my missuses parents were/area 60s anarchists, like proper anarchists who read books n shit. I'd say they'd probably be classed as right wing by a lot of today standards.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-14 19:52 [#02591512]
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@nickszabo4
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2019-12-14 20:18 [#02591523]
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Sunil patella a fucking fraud
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-12-15 01:12 [#02591547]
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i come a memorial, on a crossroads
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2019-12-15 11:15 [#02591562]
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A Polliceman killer All Praise be upon the meth police
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big
from lsg on 2019-12-15 11:18 [#02591563]
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leftube, or breadtube is striking back
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big
from lsg on 2019-12-15 11:20 [#02591564]
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> but i do suppose we need someone to pack boxes at the furniture warehouse
this isn't a very productive take but it's also false. these people are being trained to become stochastic terrorists
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2019-12-15 14:33 [#02591568]
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I'm 100% stupidpilled now and fully agree with the stupidpol critique of liberalism that culture wars and idpol are ways of distracting people from a more substantial critique of dynastic wealth, power, and privilege.
Liberalism and fascism are both defenses of oligarchy, and the argument between them is not whether there's something fundamentally wrong with the way we structure commerce and production, but whether women and "minorities" and so on should be allowed privileged access to the upper echelons of the actually existing structure.
Anyways it's good to be reminded that we are becoming a non literate culture in which people on Reddit duel by posting links to multi hour monetized videos instead of brief, punchy essays that contain just as much information but take minutes to read.
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RussellDust
on 2019-12-15 14:55 [#02591569]
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“Anyways it's good to be reminded that we are becoming a non
literate culture in which people on Reddit duel by posting links to multi hour monetized videos instead of brief, punchy essays that contain just as much information but take
minutes to read”
Yeah this is happening. I even notice the trend with people my age or my family. If I send a mail or text that’s “long” they won’t read it.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 16:26 [#02591572]
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it's because long videos get to show more ads, thus making both youtube and content "creators" more dosh
meanwhile, i saw this when i was a little kid one morning, and even though i'd never heard of LSD i still thought this show was completely full of shit
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-12-15 17:26 [#02591577]
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that link is fucking hilarious! "leading an idle, dissolute or immoral life" is a crime? hahaha
also, the opening theme is nodded to by inspector gadget which is probably about as realistic
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 19:07 [#02591587]
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the soundtrack from that show, always loved it growing up. i rediscovered it in 2014 or something. it's all analog, modulars, it was released on vinyl. there's loads of stuff with french lyrics you never heard in the english versions. penny was originally sophie in french and i feel cheated they didn't bother to add vocals for the english version
meanwhile, the other show i remember from the era when "Dragnet" was still on TV here and there, is Get Smart which was, in retrospect, a parody of james bond, with some definite dragnet lifts too. don adams, who played the lead character, is the voice of inspector gadget
i actually never confirmed this until just now, but when i was a kid, that amused the heck out of me; was never any doubt: that's the same voice. maxwell smart, inspector gadget
i'm just the man for the job!
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 19:30 [#02591595]
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lol
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 19:40 [#02591598]
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go figure people have "remixed" this
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 19:50 [#02591600]
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we need a new future instead of internet and tech. all we are going to get from it now is BORING dystopia. inevitable dystopia. its completely dull which is why there isnt an episode of black mirror that is actually interesting
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:03 [#02591602]
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look at how dead and extremely gay that is, big. and that fucking old ass never was cool synthwave shit. yeah so how about an expansive grid in EPIC purple with lazers and turquoise palm trees!
its reddit. dont you EVER bring reddit back to these parts again big this is a final warning less u lookin to get balled up
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:06 [#02591603]
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post #02591600 was a response to epic not tony (didnt mean to pull u into this tony)
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:09 [#02591604]
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ugh here is more grids palm trees and sunsets + very gay politics. the internet is trash ok
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 20:13 [#02591605]
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please try to post more coherently.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:17 [#02591607]
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where did i lose you?
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2019-12-15 20:26 [#02591608]
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Very pleased to hear I'm not the only one bored to tears by Black Mirror. I was initially excited and watched the first pig fucking one, then never made it all the way through another. Every plot is just "man discovers that technology is bad, with devastating consequences" like this hasn't been a major theme in art and literature since the myth of Prometheus.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-12-15 20:44 [#02591612]
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yeah. and hey theres nothing wrong with those themes ykno but its not very creative if you cant do a bit more with it. i just think it makes it obvious how little we actually bother to picture the future. and of course we will be absolutely useless when it comes to actually shaping the future if we can hardly be bothered to picture it
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-12-15 21:59 [#02591615]
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please, do -- tell me how you, AMPI, and Tony, can do black mirror better based on your combined twelve minutes of watching it
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2019-12-15 22:43 [#02591618]
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How much science fiction have you read, my brother? Black Mirror is some thin watery piss, a cauldron of soup containing one bean and a single grain of salt.
There's more ideas about how technology changes humans and human culture in a single short story from the 40s than in all the sci fi television series broadcast in the last 30 years.
start here
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big
from lsg on 2019-12-16 21:04 [#02591665]
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noooo
liberation of marginalized groups needs to be fought as well.
what you saying now is also playing into the elites' devisive playbook
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RussellDust
on 2019-12-16 21:08 [#02591666]
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Black Mirror is fine. 🙄
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2019-12-16 21:55 [#02591670]
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sorry big I'm based now and your radlib arguments bounce off me like nerf darts. Working people of all categories living on credit to afford rent and dying of easily treatable illnesses aren't going to be helped by debates over what color foot is in the boot they're expected to lick.
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2019-12-16 22:33 [#02591671]
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I have (and have read) that very same edition (with that cover). Totes agree with sentiments expressed re 40s 50s 60s sci-fi and the yawn-inducing bore d-fart that is the charmless Black Mirror
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