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the best beatmaker UK has ever seen |
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we can beee playaying.. away from my heaaart |
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i was going to say the only burial thing i've both heard and enjoyed was Orchestra of Bubbles, but it turns out Ellen Allien and Apparat. now i'm not sure what the one burial thing i liked was, but i'm pretty sure it was also a collaboration. other things i've heard are not unpleasant, just sparse on ideas and repetitive. but, then, maybe i managed to pick all the terrible burial tracts first, and correct me if i'm wrong here etc... this is also coloured by my memory of some blurb saying he swears by the roland sp-303. i had one, and it was a dreadful piece of shit. it could only write to these crusty ancient smartcards that i hadn't seen anywhere else in ten years, and they held 8mb or some shit. it has no real screen and is forced to try and communicate its state to you with a whole three eight-segment LED noidules. suffice to say there's a lot of cryptic acronyms and wondering is that upper or lower case? and then it's off to the manual -- oh, yes, that was terrible too. then it has to spend time thinking to do just about anything; half the time using it is waiting. the sample editing facilities are byzantine. if you forget that it's a sampler and use it as a multi-fx unit on an aux send it's alright, except for the high-pitched squeal it is always pumping out... quietly, but still too loud to ignore. but, maybe i missed something deep inside, beyond guro vore porn and barbed wire fences, and correct me if i'm wrong here etc... |
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er, boss sp-303. there's a reason it's their guitar pedal brand and not their real band. but, fuck, even the boss shit is typically way better. someone loaned me a boss dd-3 once and i've been salivating to get one for years. and i'm still looking for the burial thing. i'm trying i'm trying |
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./Soundtracks/Braveheart Sound Track/JAMES HORNER - BRAVEHEART 07 - MURRON'S BURIAL.MP3 i don't think this is the one. |
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gear talk is arab to me, i think he makes music with a computer though. there is no repetitiveness in a perfect groove |
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we judge people by their cars. a car is something that makes a statement even if it's a borderline-invisible japanese compact (in which case the statement is no statement). it's such a huge part of man's life and represents a significant outlay of net worth. it's practically a second house to some, or a primary house to those up shit creek or batshit crazy. got it? well, the boss sp-303 is like a geo metro with a flash paint job. it says something about the man driving it. to be fair, that quote could be fifteen years old, it could have been all he could afford or just what he started with or whatever. or i missed the good in it... but that's like saying, "well maybe the geo has a big block inside" and then i reply "you couldn't fit one in there. you can't even get aftermarket parts aside from fuzzy dice." kapice? |
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Panda Bear is supposed to have used the SP-303 a lot. I think some people get inspired by the challenge of minimal shonky gear. |
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there's a difference between minimal and terrible. easy mistake; happens all the time |
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good instrumental music kicks shit synth music's ass! |
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we all love good instrumental music and good synth music don't we |
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I like things that are good and dislike things that are bad, and vice-versa. |
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i spent years writing music with a mouse; VST plugins. then i started to get enough hardware that was good enough and there was this cosmic moment where a bizzare and improbable chain of misfortunes lead me back to my studio right at the moment some shit was on tv and i recorded and a bunch of other shit in one epic bout. i was used to spending ages making pretty patterns with notes in piano rolls; edit and playback. edit and playback. to sit down and haul ass with no wait time was pretty narcotic and i effectively lost interest in VSTs at that moment. this pissed off some of the few people that liked my music, because for years after that most of what i did was terrible. i simply didn't have enough marbles and groove for live hardware jams; i had to earn them. i knew it would be fantastic if i could and then i could return to VST music with new perspective, sort of like that session guitarist who took off ten years just to get better. anyways, if you're working with a minimal setup -- minimal, not terrible -- it can be a lot of hard work before you can do something that's not terrible. if you have a setup that's both minimal and terrible, well, i suppose it's worth a nod that he got anywhere at all |
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good read |
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It's always the tool's fault. |
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id say if you have a setup that's both minimal and terrible, and you make things move, puts really a light upon shitloads of music that sounds good but.. just doesnt move |
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that is absolutely not what i said, nor what i meant. to put it in your black-and-white, bowler-tilling, clock-punching microcosm, i suppose i'm saying that it's never the tool's fault, but if a tool is picking the tools all you get is tomfoolery |
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continuing to talk out of my posterior, i reckon it's probably more like he uses the sp-303 because he always has. he has a whole archive of shit and organized sample libraries and he's memorized what all the terrible acroynm codes on the "screen" are attempting to convey. pretty much, he's so deep in it that switching to something better represents a greater hassle than contuing to use the piece of shit he's used to. though i hate the sp-303, there's really nothing wrong with using it for that reason i guess |
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i hear no 303 in burial music |
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oh, yes, that's what it reminds me of: microsoft windows. people don't use windows because it's quality, they use it because alternatives require throwing out everything you use currently.... and some of that shit runs your life. will this linux shit load my bank spreadsheet? do i want to gamble on this? only anoraks like me puckishly scream yes. we regret it for six or twelve months and then snobbishly return to the internet to shit on everyone who hasn't put in the ball-busting time required to get down with the posix architecture |
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lol what r u saying |
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oh, yes, the sp-303 did do a 303 emulation, i think. it was thin and reedy and thus useful kinda but mostly not. the ef-303 was much better, while we're here. it also had a thin and reedy 303 emulation, but it was much more generally usable. the fx were better. and the high-pitched squeal of a noise floor is mercifully much lower |
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oh, yes, this jives. the EF-303 is branded roland and not boss. |
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enjoying music |
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i enjoy music, mostly, but i'm also thoroughly fond of tearing up anything i find to be shit. half of it is genuine pleasure at zooming out and running circles around a smaller perspective; more intellectual than nasty. the nasty half is you wouldn't believe the level of crap i give myself for anything that's not spectacular, and i'm annoyed when i see someone unencumbered by this. like an old lady who yells at anyone walking a dog to stay off her lawn. it's not the dog or the lawn, she just has no fun at all. she doesn't let herself. then someone's whistling and walking fido and the sight of another human enjoying him or herself is intolerable and she seeks catharsis. thank god for the internet, or i'd still be doing this to people ~in real life~. it's enough of a release valve that i can smile and be polite; knowing i can trash whatever it is on internet forums later |
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play burial while driving |
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it makes you like the place you live |
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burial is the 90s of the 2000s |
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the vibe that all dance music had in the 90s in unmatched in history |
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well, that fits. the only thing i like about the place i currently live is that it's cheap. |
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i looked up the boss nass spew 303 on wiki pee: "The difference between the 303 and SP-404 is that the vinyl sound compression sounds way different in the 303. It has a grittier sound." well, there you go. i never got into sampling vinyl. if i had gotten into it, and gotten into it when i had the SP-303, i would definitely have left it on the shelf and just used my MPC-1000 instead. now there's a real sampler |
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i think i understand. it looks sort of like what you'd find in between a pair of turntables; a junior cheeseburger dj mixer aesthetic. it sold because it looked like the shit you had already, and was obtuse enough to seem complex. then you're just some guy who went from scratching to producing; by the time you realize it's not complex (just awkward) you're committed. may as well talk it up when pitchquietus asks you droll questions |
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at this point this has very little to do with burial and everything to do with the horrible time i had with the SP-303. you use one? ok. you swear by it? you're either crap or full of |
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the best moment i had with the SP-303 was when i received paypal monies after ebaying it. shortly thereafter i bought an sh101, and then a juno, and that was much better. even though what the SP-303 brought in paid for about one third of either of those |
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Dilla famously used only the SP-303 and a 45 record player to create 29 of the 31 tracks from Donuts (album) while hospitalized. oh, yes, i suppose desperation, isolation, and boredom could result in taking this box seriously. is the dilla album any good? i'm trying to imagine how being bedridden with an SP-303 and a morphine IV would pan out; feels like a 6/10 sort of album |
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i use Phoscyon, a 303 emulation. i like it. its kinda limited cos you cant edit patterns, but you can get good sounds out of it. |
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that's vst, but ok. i tried it along with audiorealism bassline 2 and went with the latter. forget why, exactly, but i do remember it was more about workflow than sound quality |
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kinda fits the thread cos it can give life to meaningless beats |
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you can actually model a beat over a 303 sound. then mute it, you can hear what it gives |
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i miss my SH-101 deeply. once i got that, i largely forgot about TB-303s -- which are unique and special, but cost a kidney and a legato. the SH-101 can cover most of the same ground, along with loads of things the TB-303 can't do. but, absolutely, when it comes to making the sound of a chipmunk in distress (reaching deep into the brainsteam, slapping it a couple times until it pays attention) the 303 is king. the sequencer on the SH-101 is also frustratingly limited. i wish it had a B section like the MC-202. |
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but then i think about pulsewidth jamming and i honestly genuinely would rather have my SH-101 back than a TB-303. are we haggling? devilfish mod, midi, would really put me into a position of stress and indecision |
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i always wondered how the FutureRetro 666 was. seems like it could be the best of both |
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wow |
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when sascha konietzko said, "our music is made by computers because they don't make mistakes" i believe he was referring to this bassline computer |
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bullshit, the beauty of computer music is the mistake |
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but there are mistakes that sounds good and mistakes that don't |
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i personally love when Phoscyon goes out of sync, but not out of time. makes me feel i am making man's music. |
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i used to have drum machines in logic 9 on the previous laptop going out of sync, creating new patterns out of nowhere .. awesome |
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i went around for a while mumbling that 4'33 and jackson pollock had killed art and now all we get is damien hirst faux disruption. just like everyone, really. then i found and it turned me around. it is the first real answer i've seen to 4'33. it is perfect for the age of information overload. there are so many notes you can't hang on at times, and there may as well be none. then the software the 14yo kids that uploaded this video glitches out at the most beautiful moment; perfect slapstick timing |
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