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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-20 06:05 [#02498045]
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all spaced-out interludes of bizzare science are genuine
and heartfelt, but poorly thought-out. i could google the
xlt archives; find myself confidently stating something as
truth. and now, i know it's wrong. so very wrong. i could
google it right now, but i won't -- it doesn't matter. that
is just how science works


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-20 06:15 [#02498046]
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BIRD_BRAIN

"While other studies have tackled a lot of the structural
differences, a new one released this week in PNAS shows
that, to some extent, size doesn't matter. Its authors show
that birds pack neurons into their brains at densities well
above densities in mammals' brains, putting some relatively
compact bird brains into the same realm as those of primates
when it comes to total cell counts."


To flail your arm, you have to know where your arm is. if
you don't know where your arm is, you don't know which
muscles to move to invoke the flail. but motion is
continuous. arm is here, move this muscle fibre, arm is
here, move this muscle fibre. a resonant feedback loop,
perhaps. a cerebellum symphony fed through a pascal-grade
FFT and big left toe twitches for 512.5 hz; next toe over is
514.9. then, typically, one feeds a luke vibert album into
the mechanism.

some other science thing had some datas that said that
squirrels can have reaction times way above what a human
could because they're so small. the time it takes for a
signal to propagate from the brain to the toe and back.
you're up against some physics there. it probably doesn't
even scale linearly as you get larger. birds are doing some
mad physics of their own; dense brains. small bird bodies.
designed for speed. they're like flying GPUs


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2016-06-20 06:33 [#02498049]
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luke vibert?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-20 18:40 [#02498061]
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on the note of wrong, i took a moment in the steinvord
thread to be all, "well, i thought it was afx years ago, now
i doubt that a bunch. why is the mix kinda shit? am i
missing something? did they record it really fucking loud
and not really notice the level issues? would afx do that?"
these are the sort of things a man wonders while stuck at a
red light in massachusetts.

then there's this: ultravisitor annoyed the piss out of me.
i can't tell if it's crap or if i simply don't get it. at
this moment, dwelling on this pointless anorak question, i
have a very similar feeling. perhaps it is tom jenkinson.
but i'm just stabbing at wolves in the dark

now, photodementia. i feel like a moron for not listening to
this album until now. there's no excuse. i was bubbling over
fotograph when it was [] on youtube, and i wrote the youtube
channel man to say this is wonderful, did you use software
or hardware or what?

he didn't reply, and i didn't reply to his lack of reply. i
didn't ask who he was, either. who is photodementia? a track
or three in, i say: this is clearly gerald donald. and i
think he is on mushrooms. and perhaps a system 100M.

that was a bit of a brainfart, though. thinking i'm hearing
drexciya for one extremely disorenting moment. i'd recognize
the diesel of dr. blowfin's arpeggapillar from forty klicks.
what's it doing here? that's not the album i put on? help


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-20 23:11 [#02498070]
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i didn't have my glasses on and i couldn't read the song
title. "if i had to give this song a name," i thought, "i
would call it cats." i put on my glasses and it was called
Letech. wrong again. curse you, science


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-20 23:13 [#02498071]
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my lower brainstem is permanently convinced there's an
elephant in the room. perhaps there is


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-20 23:33 [#02498072]
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media player operation is deep in my cerebellum.
fifteen-plus years of diving to press B (next) when caught
off-guard by a track i meant to skip. i panic about these
things; it's pretty similar to how i feel when i see an
oncoming car suddenly wander into my lane. this song is
irritating. it's about to roll past the sluicegate. shit

less common but still common enough is accidentally engaging
shuffle -- the track ends, and the next one is not what i
expct. same reaction. panic. when i was listening to
fig 03 and heard drexciya, this was activated. the media
player is derping, fix it. i flipped over to audacity in a
reflexive twitch. stared at it. then my brain was walking up
the stairs, and it thought there was another stair, and
there wasn't a stair, and when it put its foot down into the
not-stair it felt pretty weird.

i didn't really get anything like that with steinvord.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-20 23:36 [#02498073]
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my lower brainstem was utterly, deeply convinced the media
player had shuffled to drexciya, and the reaction was so
pure that i had absolutely zero chance to fart it up with
rationality. that's a better summary


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-20 23:57 [#02498074]
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i've recorded myself dancing a good number of times over the
last few years. it's tough. i'm able to forget the camera
for a few minutes at a time but i'll spot it out of the
corner of my eye and i've un-forgotten. then i do something
like say to myself, "i'm off to the left of the frame, i
should move over here." then i do, and promptly smack my arm
into a wall, because i'm seeing through the camera's frame
of reference rather than my own. it's also sort of like
taking a poop; i feel weird with people watching. i feel
much better uploading some footage for some people on the
internet i haven't met than i do dancing for people in
reality. i was feeling bad about that for a bit, then some
drunk guy was yelling at his woman in the parking lot and i
realized that most people are shit. this guy would not
appreciate it at all, but fair enough, as i don't apprecaite
starting barfights whenever "tubthumping" comes on the PA.
on the videos, i haven't even watched most of them. i am
pretty sure i will look like an absolute dork. but i'll
scrape by with the jack black approach to rock and roll,
where you blow through a whole bulk pack of cassettes and
maybe five minutes of it is what you press


 

offline RussellDust on 2016-06-21 12:01 [#02498077]
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Post a vid please, you endearing buffoon!


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-22 22:19 [#02498132]
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there were things from the rational fart center of the brain
afterwards. like, oh, the track names are sort of gerald
donald too. nitroderpinol. hydrospores. then squarepusher is
all "cicero 6," aphex is "cuntrmx356v3," autechre is
"l8.trChps" you know


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2016-06-22 23:23 [#02498134]
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Bullshit: wMw is more brilliant. He's the best at writing
bullshit.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-23 12:13 [#02498137]
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this is brilliant. it's somewhere in between
raymond scott and vincent van gogh's "starry night." really
quite something


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-23 12:29 [#02498138]
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this was the youtube that got my attention years
ago. still love it. why didn't i listen to the rest? i have
no answer. i do recall thinking that there was a cover
version in here, too, like four years ago. i had just seen
the "acoustic cover" of "rep yo clicque" and i was all: you
could do the striped metal bucket sh101 stab pulsewidth
chords on guitar and have someone else do the rest on mouth
noises. bpptltlltthhh! bling! there's an obvious strum 'n'
snap to it, and if you think about it for a moment you've
probably got about what i want uploaded into your cortex.

it wasn't until months later that i connected the dots and
realized that was jnasato's video. so now if i ever meet him
i will pester him to do the acoustic guitar part and let me
do the mouth noises. my brain filmed this idea in my
basement, 2012, and i don't live in that house anymore, so
we'd have to find another suitable basement corner that
matches the geometry of my visualization. this is probably
the patch of my basement i was staring at when i had the
idea in the first place, which amuses me. in theory,
anything you've ever thought goes back to a particular
physical location. (x,y,z,t,i). 3D location, current time,
current state of yourself. the basis of cognition perhaps?
thus the basis of mouth noises too


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-23 12:41 [#02498140]
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lol is it dave monolith
that's hilarious


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-23 12:43 [#02498141]
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yes, wrong again. i'm going to go have a poop, just like w M
w.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-23 13:02 [#02498142]
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i think you have to be prepared to commit to new ideas on a
whim, then disgard them just as quickly should they not
quite fly. i indugle a lot of whatever floats across my mind
for a bit, then... no, that's wrong, get rid of it. i
iterate rather quickly. a few weeks ago i was very seriously
discussing the weasels in my brain. i'm able to do stuff
automatically like drive, walk, etc. and not think about it
at all. i was calling these things brain software, but
that's giving it too much credit. it's not regular like a
computer, it's a bit more tempermental and fussy, like an
animal. so they became weasels, and i had autopilot weasel
(keep the car on the road), GPS weasel (give autopilot
weasel turn directions), traffic weasel (a car is wandering
into your lane and autopilot weasel is returning the wheel
mutex to your focus), cigarette weasel (get ash out the
window instead of on my lap), and so on. then a couple weeks
later i got tied up when i realized there were situations
that implicitly required a lot of complex cooperation
between the weasels, and weasels don't cooperate. so i
abruptly abandoned the analogy; there haven't been weasels
in my brain for a few weeks now. i thought about using
different animals to give it more nuance; three weasels and
a badger. but the analogy had given me enough leverage to
analyze the machine thoroughly; i felt like i didn't need an
analogy anymore.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-28 23:03 [#02498308]
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america has an asshole situation. a few people go around
being assholes and piss everyone else off. since everyone
else is pissed off, they start acting like assholes too, and
at this point driving around can feel like trying to stand
still and let a swarm of five-year olds club you with foam
bats. it is only human to want to hit back after enough of
that shit. but then you enter into the complex equations: in
a fight in america, generally one party goes to jail, and
the other goes to the hospital. inside of that equation,
many people have guns. but i could tell this guy didn't have
shit. in the moments when his impotent rage was not directed
at me, he was on his phone, putting his knee up at the dash.
i am driving the speed limit and just dealing with it. this
is pretty much something that happens five or six times on
the way around the block, yessir. but i haven't exercised
yet, today, and i haven't smoked any weed either. things at
home were very noisy and disruptive. i am fucking hating
everything right now, and still putting up with it. barely.
but then i see his scrawny fucking ass making gang signs or
some shit at a red light, and now i am very pointedly
driving fifteen miles an hour, yessir. he begins to drive in
the oncoming lane, but for some reason decides not to pass
me. i just start picking turns, he's sticking with me.
alright, this guy has a problem with me, not the speed
limit. a part of me really wants to kick his ass. really
really wants to. but then all that equation shit, and no,
fuck that. i'm pondering how to handle it, and then i know.
i focus my rage like a sith with a learner's permit and jam
on the brakes. he had to have come within millimeters. i
pulled over and he didn't come up to me. that jolt of
adrenaline had recalibrated his priorities


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-28 23:16 [#02498309]
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LAZY_DRIVE


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-28 23:21 [#02498310]
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LAZY EQUATION


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-28 23:45 [#02498311]
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i don't drive slowly. i drive precisely as fast as i can
without putting myself at risk of getting pulled over. i
absolutely love driving too fast, but i take it seriously.
back in 2014 i was broke and bored. lost my gear but but
still had my car. i would spend time digging around google
maps, looking for prime road candidates. logging on around
5:30 to see how fast the traffic died off. going around at
6:30 for a recon cruise. coming back at 1am and inducing the
traction control light to flicker anxiously as it does when
you float around a turn on gravel. but in soccer mom town at
11am, i'm a speed limit plus ten sorta guy. i study the cops
like wildlife and catalog their favoritest hiding spots like
a man making a list of rare birds he's seen through his
binoculars. blast it in a dead zone and then slow down. i've
learned to appreciate the G-force of braking just as much as
acceleration. in the quieter stuck-behind-grandma moments i
amuse myself by being more artsy with my steering and turns.
it's a bit of a cliche but i often feel like i'm running a
paintbrush across a large canvas when i drive


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-29 00:06 [#02498312]
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driving to music has gotten pretty deep for me, over the
years. there's a rational side to it, counting beats and
learning the timing of the lights so the drop waits until
green and then shortly thereafter the scenery around me is
red-shifting. but then there's also the real meat of it,
just smelling out the motions of the traffic in that
particular place and time. soft eyes, you know. then
listening to my ghost, or whatever you call it. quiet the
mind and wait for an intense sense of urgency to fire off,
the same as i did waiting for the moment to hit shuffle or
change pattern on a groove box. it's gotten almost spooky,
and i like it. driving along and i get the urge: change the
track now. to this other one three ahead. no rational
justification; i do. then something magic happens; every car
feels in sync. crazy shit like the song peaks as a dump
truck breaks and it's perfectly in tune with the track. it
feels like a flow state that takes both practice and luck to
reach and it is one of my favorite things. juan, prepare my
submarine


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-29 02:23 [#02498316]
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i used to have this roland alpha juno dash one with the
pg300, only a few sliders broken. MIDI is a quantized
digital thing and the analog filter has to snap to the tune
of 0-127. it's nowhere near enough steps for a smooth cutoff
sweep, it feels very stepped. they could have split it
between two controllers for 127 * 127 but that would have
made MIDI control a nightmare; they made the right call.
it's one of those things you get used to and then come to
feel fondly about, really, and then when you're in the midst
of some crazy jam you know by touch where the right spots
are. a car has similar things going on. after a major
service round a couple months ago, i noticed that i could
feel the quantization of the gas pedal. new cars are ~fly by
wire~ and the gas pedal is tantamount to a midi controller
for the car's analog guts. same as the filter cutoff on the
juno; it's stepped. the thing doesn't even have 0-127; i'm
guessing 2^5 or 2^4. this is way more than enough; i had a
hard time pegging the steps after a few hundred miles. next
major service, it was back for a bit. when it was there i
took extra pleasure in gauging curves versus the feel of the
quanitzed steps. everything in the car that's computer is as
standard; powers of two. stereo maxes out at 64. the time
display for the current song slices up in powers of two in a
best-fit manner (yes, i sat there and counted them as they
ticked by).


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2016-06-29 02:51 [#02498319]
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I took the liberty of making a TLDR version of the last 3
posts if anyone is interested:

"i would spend time digging around...
behind-grandma...
i'm running a paintbrush train...
pretty deep...
the real meat of it...
smelling...
intense sense of urgency to fire off...
i like it...
i get the urge...
i do...
shit...
a dump...
it feels like a flow...
it is one of my favorite things...
and then come cum...
feel fondly fondle-y...
some crazy (man) jam...
touch where the right spots are...
i could feel the quantization of the gas...
i had a hard time pegging...
i took extra pleasure in gauging curves..."
-EpicMegatrax


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-06-29 09:44 [#02498323]
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^ imagine if that was the content of the dead sea scrolls
but they are just to embarrassed to tell us


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-06-29 10:23 [#02498324]
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I have to congratulate you on the amount of pure bollocks in
this thread, its quite an accomplishment


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-29 17:31 [#02498336]
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i think one could draw up a contract and get w M w to sign
away his own testicles. just drop in words like "poop" and
"grandma" in the boring standard parts and bury the part
about his balls deep in the middle. he'd sign that for sure


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-29 17:36 [#02498337]
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...seafoam.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-29 17:39 [#02498338]
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i'm going out for a drive now.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2016-06-29 18:01 [#02498339]
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I heard that your weiner grows out of your forehead and you
have a fistula that makes you poop out of your weiner, and
every day you eat your own weiner poop and you like it. What
do you have to say about these allegations?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-29 19:47 [#02498342]
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my ideas are an athena workstation, exploding,
fully-developed, from the infinite corridor of zeus.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-06-29 20:26 [#02498348]
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i didnt mean that in a nasty way by the way, it was more of
an observational comment


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-30 09:27 [#02498378]
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i write this bullshit simply because i enjoy writing
bullshit, and it's more productive than playing FTL (which i
think i might do after this). through a complex binomial
pegboard mechanism through which i send a series of neural
ping-pong balls, i determine whether this bit of bullshit
would be happy on xlt or the yugo forums or twitter or
whatever. then people can either read it, or not. the point
of making a thread for bullshit is so that i only derail
other threads with bullshit when i actually intend to;
you're welcome. that being said, i hope people enjoy reading
it and maybe respond a bit more.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-06-30 09:33 [#02498379]
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today i visited the scout state something or other. i had
never been to it. i had just smoked a joint. the parking lot
was empty. i parked next to the sign and dutifully read the
sign. no running. check; cool. dogs must be on a leash. no
dog; check. it didn't mention cigarettes, but i wasn't sure
i'd want to smoke one anyways; i didn't. there was something
about sign-in but i was already at a sign and there was no
clipboard so clause thirteen of the sign has been set to
ignore. then off we went. the shit boy scouts; so many
trails. so many names. wobmutt. piscuitiary. mebble. what's
this? nixon road? i dislike nixon. he was a sonofabitch. i
am deliberately going the opposite of the way this sign is
pointing. i may still be on nixon road, but i'm going the
opposite of the way the sign told me to, and this is the
only way i can feel right about getting lost in the woods
while blazed. also dance around a bit. i'm stumbling over
roots and rocks anyways so a while back i began sort of
dancing around to it; sort of a balance buffer i can draw
from when needed. i probably look like a right dork and i
take it down a few notches when people go by, but i'm
thoroughly alone and i talk idly to terrified chipmunks and
step over a toad and write forum posts in my head. does the
loci method of memorization work if i'm attaching locations
to themselves? at nixon road, nixon road. this could work.
we will see


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-06-30 11:35 [#02498380]
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There is something reassuring about your rambling, like the
world has some consistency to it for a change.

I have FTL i never got round to having a go of it yet


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-07-01 15:53 [#02498491]
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previous ramble about FTL about a page in.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-07-03 03:55 [#02498556]
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a joint is rolled. helium settles. the bic lighter features
a amateurish print in the style of magritte; a pickle. where
are my "for recal use only" stickers? i can't find them


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-07-03 09:09 [#02498557]
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ultranog.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-07-03 09:16 [#02498558]
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tiltwotor


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2016-07-11 10:25 [#02499483]
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it's like that episode of sponge bob when he gets lost on
the bus or something after he feel asleep on the way back
from glove world and the fish behind the bus ticket counter
makes a fart sound between every word even tho he was
speaking english he couldn't understand sponge bob unless
sponge bob made a fart sound between every word lol
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-07-11 17:20 [#02499489]
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you make as much sense as someone speaking esperanto with a
stutter,


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-07-11 18:29 [#02499490]
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clearly, it's not an autechre song.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-07-11 18:51 [#02499491]
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part of why all this on xlt is because if it were on another
board that was actually capable of editing posts, i'd be
editing everything for hours. then eventually it would be
slick, understandable, and coherent, and i would say, "well,
shit, i should have just posted that on electronic musing."
here i'm stuck with all the parts that are ugly or
confusing/unclear, and that keeps it under control.
somewhat.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-07-11 20:15 [#02499492]
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we are all sons of w M w and recycle


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-07-11 20:24 [#02499493]
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guess it's my turn to stay online


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-07-11 22:10 [#02499494]
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i meant it in a joking way of course, everyone on here seems
a bit idiosyncratic, putting it mildly


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-07-12 00:01 [#02499498]
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that's why i like it, yes... same goes for the internet in
general. pretty much, i'm difficult and irritating, but i
know it. i keep a lid on it and generally pass for a
functional, non-irritating adult. i've learned i can't tuck
it away forever; gradually my brain will shut down.

i have all sorts of deep thoughts about whatever while
swinging around back roads at high velocity. i'm excitable
about them and want to share.... but not many people are
interested in bed dancing kinesthetics. it's entirely
possible that i'm patient zero... even so, it kind of fits
the tone of this place in a monoid-thread kind of way. so it
goes here.

technical ideas and stuff go into notebooks for later. word
salad goes to the yugo. it's about my sanity first and
foremost, but i also don't want to lose track of all my
ideas...


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2016-07-12 08:06 [#02499502]
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LAZY_meme


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-07-12 13:55 [#02499506]
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well at least no one can accuse you of being boring!


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-07-13 21:44 [#02499637]
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boring and boredom are like kryptonite to me. my mind
recoils in horror, and i have to fight to keep a focus on
it. if i don't, my mind floats off like a balloon, catches
the wind, upside down, fifty miles an hour, invisible kilt.
it's tiring. similarly, i have to quietly prune loads of
irrelevant conversational tangents just to not irritate
people. it's a different thing but the same problem. the
flip side of this is anything that takes a lot of building
things in your mind like programming or music is something i
get into the point where i am essentially catatonic for a
few hours at a time. then, either i'm interrupted (thanks
meetings!) or i'm hungry or something. work out for an hour
to apologize to everything that is angry for sitting like
that. rinse and repeat


 


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