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just got this charming notice on soundcloud that one of my tracks has been pulled for illegal samples. this rather pisses me off, as the song did not have any samples whatsoever (with the exception of the drum waveforms baked into a yamaha dx200). i have to fill out this form with my real address and check all sorts of scary boxes saying they can "serve" me if i'm lying just so some scumbag company can't claim my shit as theirs. worst part is that the track they're accusing me of sampling is some horrid dubstep crap that's pretty much the antithesis of what i do. anyone else had to deal with this? |
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I had a think on this and here is my hypothesis: There is technology out there by the echo nest which can analyze music. I would bet that soundcloud tries to preempt pirating by analyzing all uploaded songs. My gut tells me your song was found to be too closely related or maybe even matched (whatever abstract form of a song comes out the other side of the algo) some shitty dubstep song. Just an idea that is LOL if true.... |
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good thinks. maybe one day you'll understand more than picking peanuts out of poo irony is, i've sampled TV and movies all over the place, and none of them have ever been flagged. the flagged track is off the . it's been on soundcloud for two years without a problem.... |
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Yeah, I wasn't talking about film and TV samples that nobody cares about. I'm talking more about pirating music that's popular right now. |
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My understanding is that Soundcloud's content match system looks and the first 30 seconds or so and tries to match it up to the signatures of copyrighted music. If it matches, the song gets taken down. A human doesn't listen to the song until you contest their claim. It looks like your song fired off a false-positive. I wouldn't get too upset about it. Soundcloud has to protect themselves, since they could be shut down if they were hosting a bunch of copyrighted content. This has happened to me before (YouTube has a similar system). I'd fill out the form and I'm sure when they can get around to it they'll say sorry and put the song back up. Have you tried to use something like Shazam to see if the song erroneously matches something else? |
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irony is, you made a song that fooled an algo into thinking it's popular music and yet your music is not popular. Or music. |
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That's exactly what I was suggesting, Pomme...but don't let him hear that or he'll critique your intellect. |
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Aye, sat here with the window open and didn't see your response. You're absolutely right. I do have it on good authority that they only scan the first 30 seconds of a track. |
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don't give a shit that soundcloud has to protect itself; i'm paying the fuckers 79euro a year. if they're going to put the burden of filing copyright claims on me i'll just host mp3s on my website, for no additional cost. i like the social aspect, the comments 'n' embedded players etc. but this crap along with the new interface has me leaning towards not renewing my subscription next time 'round. put simply: i don't care if they have a computer match it up, but they should have a human listen to it before pulling my track. |
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What's their stand on "dj sets" then, has that changed? A friend today had one of theirs pulled as it had David Essex in ti (...) |
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probably against site policy etc. but they're lax on enforcing it, and only a few get pulled. |
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Fucking evil shit. Sorry you're being put through this deeply humiliating shit :( |
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I agree; human ear (not even a muso) manually comparing the computer's (potential) false positive with the track on their site should be a service you can expect if you're using the paid for service. |
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not really humiliating, but it does make me mad. big content has been harassing people over using p2p for years; pulling youtube videos with someone's kid dancing to the radio.... and now i'm getting harassed over shit that's 100% mine, on a service i pay money to use. not content with stepping on toes, they want to stomp on some feet i guess |
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any way to get compensation for such unjust behaviour? |
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best i can do is complain about it and warn others that they're doing this crap. |
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I wonder why Mixlr can still be connected to Soundcloud for exporting mix recordings.. |
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Can we hear the song? |
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i earlier. or do you mean the track it claimed i sampled? . must be a laughably shit algorithm to match those two up.... durrrr, let's take the centroid, that's some advanced maths shit |
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soundcloud is probably more strict on dj mixes since mixcloud exists and they figure you should just use that, but i've never had a problem myself. |
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i think the two-hour limit on free accounts does a pretty good job on discouraging mixes without any additional help. |
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love your comment on that track |
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lost count of the spam comments from artists like this that i've deleted. in this futile, puerile gesture, karma has me covered. |
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i like that idea, swap the "[0:30]hey this is cool, check my tracks!" with "this track is apocalyptically poo" on their tracks. |
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i did that a couple times, back when -- left a return comment calling their track poo -- then blocked the dudes right after. one of them got real mad and went over to my youtube channel to start spewing hate, since he couldn't reply on soundcloud. i have to say it was kind of satisfying, but once i'd had a laugh i decided to just stop replying to 'em, 'cos it's like adam sandler's "piece of shit car": only funny the first time 'round |
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Yes, they treat DJ mixes just like single tracks, but I believe they're only scanning the first 30 seconds, so there are ways around it. I've had some taken down and some that have stayed, but technically shouldn't have. I think mixcloud is the most popular alternative for hosting mixes but it doesn't have the bells and whistles that soundcloud has. |
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Why do you pay soundcloud money, EpicMegaFarts? |
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Pretty shyte for these kind of cases, but algorithmic methods are the only way of processing the amount of data SoundCloud deal with. They are however a bunch of clueless cunts as a company, as advertised by their horrific site design and buttslave subservience to FaceWipe, and I'd expect no less than cold disregard as a standard of customer service from them, if you do/have complained. On the plus side, I got a good laugh out of DJ Radius' comment on the track you ripped off: "Love that part... One of my fav" |
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shazam is amazing, to me. IDs stuff from a phone held up to distorted pub speakers with people yelling over a mobile voice connection... genuinely impressive. consequently, i don't think soundcloud's detection has anything to do with shazam or echo nest, both of whom seem miles more accurate. i suspect soundcloud has developed their own crappy, in-house software, and the more copyrighted songs they add to it, the more false positives it's gonna throw off. |
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Bandcamp seems to have compiled their site well. I'd recommend it over any other, for any musician. Otherwise, pressing some vinyl or mixing a cassette is always a fun reminiscable route. |
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I had a video of mine on YouTube blocked cuz some electronic label claimed copyright to the music. But of course, this was done by some program. The funny thing is that it was just me BEATBOXING. So thank you program, for thinking my mouth beats are legit? |
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i actually spent a semester working on this in uni... or, well, something similar: trying to ID the genre of an audio recording by computer. the math got beyond me very quickly, and about all i got out of it was an easy A and an appreciation for how goddamn hard this shit is. to reliably ID any piece of music without human ears is, to say the least, non-trivial. |
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"an appreciation for how goddamn hard this shit is. to reliably ID any piece of music without human ears is, to say the least, non-trivial." Good. Now that that's settled, shut the fuck up about it. You never did answer me though: why do you actually PAY soundcloud? (lol) |
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That's really lame. I can see some dumb piece of software getting fooled by 808 kicks and snares and considering them to be illegal samples because it found them in published music elsewhere. Just upload the song again with a different name? |
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p.s. To anyone wanting more SC time/space, just make multiple accounts and link them. But I suppose if you have 25 hours of shit, maybe it's worth it. p.p.s. Nevermind. p.p.s. Neverending Story Part IV Arcade Edition |
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buttslave subservience to FaceWipe = most likely to be bought out as the official FaceWipe 'Music Service', to ultimately be rolled into the behemoth = big money, big prizes |
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Dude, FB is circling the drain regardless of what they buy ;) "p.p.s. Neverending Story Part IV Arcade Edition" lol |
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months later, the track is still "under dispute." whatever. i just deleted it. the song is available 320 mp3 on the riced out records site so why bother fighting it on soundclod |
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p.s. i hope i didn't waive my rights to the track by deleting it |
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My balls are pretty riced out. I got cardboard spoiler action on my left ball, so it looks so fly, mate. |
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i hate copyright. i want to make all my music in the future free to download and use for whatever purposes (being given credit would be preferable :P) |
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Creative Commons has got you covered! That's how I release all my music already (altho because of all the samples I'm prolly not technically allowed to). |
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EpicMegaFarts: Have you paused to consider that you were in fact "fucked by genetics?" I know life is hard on you and you've developed emotional distortions as a result, but have you considered that maybe it isn't all your fault? |
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congratulations on taking paul daniels' crown for the past 30 years as tosspot by royal appointment. now go back to your yamaha demo keyboard sounding music and perhaps leave the internet alone for the next 50 years until you become so physically weak you can't even type. |
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the same thign happened 2 me on you tube, its wack |
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spoiler adds like 10hp to semen production alone. |
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