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hello, been dead a while and back, figured this old haunt would be the place to ask. i've been using freeware for years, mostly brambos stuffs and recently the old TS-404 and drumsyn software, because you know, in IDM terms, I live under a rock. That, and my old Alesis SR-16 died on me so I'm deciding not to be a grumpy old IDM fart and move on with the march of time. Ahem. So, anyways, looking to get a good basic software set under $200 USD. I've been looking at Reason Essentials (the cheap one) and Cubase 6 because they're affordable, I hear good things, and I don't want to dump over $400 on a software that I may completely hate. Note: I have a good knowledge of sequencing and synthesis and can make loops pretty well on my own. I also have some cheap keyboards at home I can use with an effects processor for some fun stuff. Regardless, I wanted the community's opinion. Does anyone have experience/gripes/praises/tips on either program? I'm also open to other software suggestions I you have them. Cheers. |
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My other suggestion is Reaper-- I think a lifetime license is $60. There's an unrestricted demo, too, so you can try it out. Reason is a lot of fun though... haven't used it since version 3, I think. I don't think Reason runs VSTs except for its own proprietary plugins, so that can be a big downer. I like Ableton Live a lot, but it's not cheap. |
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hi oddioblender, welcome back i ve been using reason for some years now, and i must say i really love it... all my comments relate to the old reason4 version and also to an old cubase ive not touched for years now. and from an amateur point of view. i guess both programs are really different, id say reason is a more restrictive software, on soundmachines and fx, but you can tweak almost everything and get mad with the cv options, what is fucking addictive and really IDMish. Reason is also great for live performance with a controller, as you can assign anything to any button. on the other side, cubase is a multitracker for all purposes, and allow to include all kind of vst plugins, so it will allow you go beyond in sound and music styles. i guess it is great if you want to include recordings and check different plugins, but it has not the immediate aspect of reason... so, id say Reason if you just want to have fun producing electronic music, and Cubase if you want a more professional and personalizable set. The best option would be to combine both, one for producing beats and synths and whatever, and the other to process and mix them and add extern things. |
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some people like reaper -- cool -- but i don't. its piano roll is fucking prehensile (or was two years ago, anyways). if you're an old fart coming out from under a rock after a long sesh with acid gear, i'd thoroughly say reason is the 'ware for you, despite being a diehard cubase fan meself. reason is very focused, very all-in-one, and the workflow is meant to be like plugging a bunch of old boxes together. only downside is that it can't do nonlinear audio (without "propellerheads record," anyways, which i've not tried yet). cubase is incredibly powerful, it will do more than reason ever does, but it is also esoteric and complicated and you will need to get a lot of VSTs before it really cooks. |
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OR!! generate MIDI and noise in ableton; record + clean up the results in cubase. BONUS!! get your third computer (you have three, right?) and run reason on that; control it from ableton via midi, record massive multitrack recordings to cubase, get them all pretty, then run them back out through your desk for a proper analog mixdown, and back into cubase |
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reason is like a hardware studio emulator which is fun and fairly easy to get going with, but i feel that cubase is better if you are going to be getting more deeper into programming your music. |
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I think you shouldn't act until wavephace weighs in on this topic. He's pretty knowledgeable with New Digital Cool. |
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Like Melack I'm only versed in Reason 4, but it can do a lot of very nifty things automation-wise. However, the sampler is far from optimum, and if you're looking for software to polish your sound and make it releasable, I find Reason by itself lacks something in tying off a track for its final mix. |
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reason is tricky but my fav |
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Mods modding mods modding mods |
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just follow ur heart |
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isn't there a demo of both reason and reaper, try em out. cubase is more industry standard than reaper. maybe watch lots of youtube tutorial videos first before y buy. |
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Fruity is pretty powerful. Don't count it out. |
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whats wrong with what ur doing |
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i am not sure can anyone tell me |
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epicscoobysnax, was it treason ? |
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is that your song? |
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Yah- I put in my vote for Reaper, as well. I was using Logic from 2002 to 2011, and everything I learnt basically translates over (I imagine Cubase knowledge would transfer, as well). The great thing about Reaper is that you can basically start using it right now, because the demo is unrestricted. Pretty smooth workflow. I give it a 9/10! If you choose to just use Reaper for free forever, you can spend your money on some nice plugins. But my favorite of all time is by far Logic Pro. Absolutely incredible feature-set, as well as amazing included plugins. Yah, Reaper is great, but I'm using 100% free plugins (no pir8 etc), so it's kinda lo-fi grunge lazer. |
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I agree about logic pro, that was all i used too |
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Reason is all I use these days. There are no features I want from a DAW that it lacks (now that it has merged with Record). The SSL emulation in it is spot on for mixing within the software itself. |
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id say go with reason + reaper. reaper is free and works far better than cubase ever did imo but maybe i never got the best out of cubase. i think reaper even let me put a video on the timeline to sync sound to and it worked so much better than other shite ive used. you'd prob be perfectly happy with reaper and some cool vsts |
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another vote for reaper + reason. you can rewire reason into reaper to use them together. |
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What's Reaper like for CPU usage? I've often wondered about finding a very light VST host I could ReWire to in order to allow me to run VSTs in Reason. |
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I think Reaper would be a decent choice but I'm not the most knowledgable about these things tbh. I've rewired on probably one of the lowest low end laptops you can imagine and it was just about possible if I didn't do anything to annoy it. You can customize a really simple setup on reaper to work the way you would want it to though and save it as a template for future use. The cool thing is that it's free to try anyway. |
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wow - great feedback, people. i think i have what i need. i did not know of reaper, i think I'll try that one out and someone said there is a demo of reason out there? think i'll snag that before i make a commitment, but i'm leaning towards reason and possibly reaper too - i'm liking what I am hearing. I'll watch vids on cubase before deciding on that. thanks, folks! |
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Reaper is very reasonable on CPU and not resource hungry. Do try the fully functional non expiring demo. |
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Do try the fully functioning non expiring DUBturbo |
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