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so does it matter who i vote for? |
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no |
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YES. |
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I mean, NO. |
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Please just vote Obama. The rest of the world would appreciate it. |
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agreed.. a politician for another, choose the less if you have to, at the end you know what's truly important regardless of this.. |
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i completely agree, but for the sake of us foreigners, vote obama.-- |
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vote obama because it does matter |
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I like Obama too but the Democrats have their share of problems as well. Don't forget the dems are completely bought out by the Sierra club and other fear mongers who release false propaganda on nuclear power. I'm convinced we wouldn't be having this energy crisis, and to a lesser extent, the economic crisis if we just built more nuclear plants, like France (who powers the majority of Europe). It's cheaper, much cleaner, and it's just a fucking shame that we've been lied to about it for so long. Obama says he will "look into it." pff. Not while Nancy Pelosi's in charge of the House making sure everybody is well afraid of the cleanest form of manufacturable energy known to man. All that said, Obama seems like a decent and honest candidate, and while I had some measure of respect for McCain in the past, I think he's sold out badly by picking that horrible right wing wackjob Palin as his running mate. I'm wasting my vote on the candidate who best goes with my own political philosophy; libertarian Bob Barr (it's a shame Ron Paul didn't run under that platform). |
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the 5 biggest lies about atomic energy: 1. Reactors are NOT safe. in the pedantic germany alone we had lots of accidents like explosions and fires and i heard that other countries dont do much better either. 2. Mining the uranium is NOT clean. huge amounts of toxic mud are created within the process, which also harm the miners. toxic and radioactive byproducts are also created. 3. Where does the radio-waste from the reactors go? its extremely expensive and difficult to find a solution thats safe so it cant be accessed or go into the groundwater. 4. Its NOT co2free. if you take the whole process of mining and shipping the uranium and building the burning elements you get about 31-61 gram co2 per kwh. this amount will rise because of the decay of easy accessible uranium. gas-plants that also use the heat created for heating houses are more effective. 5. you cannot save the world with reactors even in a small country like germany you would need to build 1.300 reactors. worldwide there are only 439 delivering about 15 percent of the worlds need. the money put into developing and flogging this dead horse should be invested in other technologies. germany invested 24 billion € over the past 30 years without any success of making this energy safer or more effective. oh and france produced 543.600 kWh and used up 482.400 kWh in 2005 theres not so much left to power the majority of europe. i had to just get rid of that and no offence wolfie, i still likes you |
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No offense taken man, it's just a good ol' fashioned debate ;p First and foremost, you have to address the fact that the coal plants are just filthy, the biggest polluters we have. China is going to be building 2,000 in the next 10 years, I've read. Solar is a . Wind much the same. Yeah, we need to find some new energy sources, nobody would be happier than me if we could power our starships with dilythium crystals, but it's just not in our grasp yet. Nuclear is the WAY right now. 1. Immediate fatalities 1970-92 Coal 6400 Natural gas 1200 Hydro 4000 Nuclear 31 2. The small, unventilated uranium "gouging" operations in the USA which led to the greatest health risk are a thing of the past. In the last 40 years, individual mining operations have been larger, and efficient ventilation and other precautions now protect underground miners from these hazards. Open cut mining of uranium virtually eliminates the danger. There has been no known case of illness caused by radiation among uranium miners in Australia or Canada. While this may be partly due to the lack of detailed information on occupational health from operations in the 1950s, it is clear that no major occupational health effects have been experienced in either country. LAZY_source 3. gotta store it in caves. I find this argument extremely hard to buy, that we couldn't manage to store the spent fuel rods. From what I've read, a family of 4 over the course of 20 years using nuclear power, would use the amount of amount of spent fuel rods to fill a shoebox. if you reprocess that, you only have the amount to fill a shotglass. From all 100 nuclear plants in the US over their entire course of history, the amount of waste produced is only big enough to fill a high scho |
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to fill a high school gym. Per year it would be something like 80 quart jars. Not very much. Stack that against the amount of radioactive waste produced in hospitals every day. 4. There is going to be co2 emissions tied to everything we do as long as oil is our main fuel source. someday that will change, but for now we have to use the best tools we have at our disposal. The whole debate about subsidizing these foreign oil lords is a seperate one entirely. 5. that 15% of the worlds need is equal to the ENTIRE worlds need in 1960. More plants is way to go, not more dirty coal mines |
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I should have said France *sends* power to the majority of Europe. Still, It's worked really well for them and I see France as the best example of a cleanly powered nation. |
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ijonspeches, if you want to debate atomic fission, let me know. you had better be properly educated, though... |
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I don't see Nader on that stupid site. Or anywhere else for that matter. |
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would it really make any difference? |
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yup |
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jeez. jus' vote 'bama, k? |
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im not into technical details. i just repeated some stuff out of the greenpeace mag. |
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and i find them a lot more trustworthy than the world nuclear association. overflew their sources, which say that there were only 2 major accidents in fission history. that is true, but there were a lot of minor accidents that prove to me that this isnt as safe as they want to make us believe. |
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and to their waste problem, i doint trust that either. if it produces so little waste, why do we already have thousands of tons of it? |
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I believe that would be thousands of tons of radioactive waste period. Lot's of things produce radioactive waste... like i said, hospitals produce a ton, just by sheer weight far, far more than nuclear power plant waste (I'll grant you the half-life is far shorter). I have not read about these "many accidents" at nuclear facilities but I would wager that they have absolutely nothing to do with the nuclear process itself... besdies, it's well proven that coal plants are not only poor quality places to work, they hurt the enviornment and are a major, major factor on our climate problem. The bottom line is, we already have them. Europe already has them. They're a proven cleaner alternative to coal mines, and while Al Gore and the likes are telling us all to "Reduce our carbon footprint," he's out there actively shutting down working nuclear plants because they're afraid of anything nuclear in this day and age. Meanwhile, hundreds and soon to be thousands of coal plants are cropping up to meet the wordwide demand for energy. Oil prices might be low now, but I believe that's artificial and we'll see the prices rise again soon. I'm not ranting on some weird conservative trip, I just think people should open their eyes and see that nuclear power works, and is clearly a better alternative to coal plants. |
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well i have to admit that npp do work, there has been no major accident recently, but the ones i read about could easily have been more critical. we were just lucky in a few cases. i cannot translate them all, but i do believe that this is symptomatic and it happens in other countries too without people knowing it. nuclear power seems like the easiest way to get away from popping coal plants and co2 emmission. but i just believe that there will be alternatives if we will invest more into it. solar, wind and water are better than their reputation and i want to see what geothermal energy brings up in the next couple of years. |
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well I agree with you fully on that, we should be researching new energy heavily. Maybe spend that 10 billion the US is wasting every month and put 5 into new energy and 5 into the space program ;p |
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i voted for obama yesterday |
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yup, id like to see that :) |
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Wolf, ijonspeches, thanks for that interesting debate. I didn't know a great deal about nuclear power before tonight, so thanks for educating me on this subject. =) |
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Interesting to see the countries that are in favour of a Republican governement. I suppose the poorest ones think they'd get a stronger economy and better standard of life, after seeing some middle class American lifestyles. Oh, how little they know... |
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congrats! |
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"the 5 biggest lies about atomic energy: 1. Reactors are NOT safe. in the pedantic germany alone we had lots of accidents like explosions and fires and i heard that other countries dont do much better either. 2. Mining the uranium is NOT clean. huge amounts of toxic mud are created within the process, which also harm the miners. toxic and radioactive byproducts are also created. 3. Where does the radio-waste from the reactors go? its extremely expensive and difficult to find a solution thats safe so it cant be accessed or go into the groundwater. 4. Its NOT co2free. if you take the whole process of mining and shipping the uranium and building the burning elements you get about 31-61 gram co2 per kwh. this amount will rise because of the decay of easy accessible uranium. gas-plants that also use the heat created for heating houses are more effective. 5. you cannot save the world with reactors even in a small country like germany you would need to build 1.300 reactors. worldwide there are only 439 delivering about 15 percent of the worlds need." Rember folks these are the 5 biggest LIES about NP. therefor: 1 it is safe 2 it is clean 3 cheap and easy to clean up 4 its CO2 free 5 it will save the world. thanks to GreenPisswits for providing these delightful infomations. ijonspeches not meaning to belittle you, just green peace. |
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basshunter |
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Coal is crazy. A Canadian environmentalist was saying they get these reverse smoke stacks and point them into the ground , it poisons the soil and kills tons of wild life. Also, from my own research, there is a chemical that they extract from a substance called COAL TAR (the shit thats left after they burn coal). This substance is called TARTRAZINE. They use it as a coloring agent for a lot of things, but they put it in a shit load of food. I went to my grocery store and I could not find 1 brand of pickles that didn't have tartrazine in it. I did a bunch of research and it's a level one carcinogen. So if you eat a ton of pickles, drink a lot of "Apple Drink" do you think overtime it will have non or very little effect over your body ? Why would you even want to fuck around with that possibility anyway ? And there is no need to put that shit in my pickles, bread, drink anyway. |
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thanks for doing your best |
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it only takes 1 accident. |
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currently the obama has double projected electoral votes, so your vote may not matter anyways. but you should go and vote if you already registered. |
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good point best yet |
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if i were a citizen i would for sure vote obama. his campaign has been facts and plans. while the other fella has just been tap dancing for the public. plus obama has this |
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The world may be run by that establishment - and if it is then Obama is apart of it too. Obama is really no different then McCain - let alone Bush. How come no mention of suspending the "Patriot Act" that the "Bush Regime" implemented. How come no talk about our Monetary Policy? McCain and Obama instead rather sidetrack the public about these "tax plans" and reaching out to Joe the Plumber. How come there's little talk about our foreign empire? We all know McCain is huge pro-war, but so is Obama. He has no problem sending more troops to Afghanistan. Why is Obama for these bailouts when they blame it on these same institutions greed? Take a look around. Bush is for all this government intervention and so is Obama and McCain. Stop buying into the propaganda. Bush and McCain are big government individuals just like Obama is. Neo-Cons and Liberals should just form one party - the amount of unconstitutional and socialist things Bush has done these 8 years sounds like the platform Obama is running on. |
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and you have been working for the McCain campaign for how long? go away you idoit zombie puppet |
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the only thing keeping a person from entering multiple votes is a small red light and a beep. you can put in as many as you want if you time it right and there's not a lot of people, and even after the fact its not like they can go in and nullify your vote ... |
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voting sounds fun! |
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Are you an idiot or just illiterate? |
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yeah, but obama is more likely to get mad and identify himself with something else than a politician, but then he'll probably get shoot by the mike & rich oligarchs |
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no revpersona youre just realizing that youre part of the problem everyone has to fix |
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You're not even worth the time for a proper rebuttal. If you fail at reading comprehension that badly then you shouldn't be allowed to exercise your right to vote perhaps. |
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why say mean things to each other? i feel like humanity is about to be completely obliterated. yeah it will be good for nature since we wont be around fucking up natural habitats for animals and cutting down trees, dropping poisons into the oceans, but - i dont know. i kind of like being human, it has its fun parts i suppose. i would like to see the human race go on for a bit in a peaceful way |
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that's not a president task! |
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Vote for the black guy. Kool-Aid and Newport Cigarette stocks will rise and the economy will begin to heal itself. |
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