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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-28 11:30 [#00147129]
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It's just the way I am, jonesy: good I guess...my only concern about education is that you are stuck with one subject...I love the way so many areas overlap and you don't really get that when studying one thing...that puts me off...
To paraphrase Mr Wilde "Education is wasted on the Young"...:)..
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-28 11:32 [#00147132]
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I went to university and it was great. I came across things i never would have before and you get to learn from some great people. However you're stuck with one discipline and have to stick to your courses if you want to pass. And its bloody expensive now. I'm sooo in debt.
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sgt growley
from Deal (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-28 11:35 [#00147135]
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Fear and loathing in Las Vegas...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-28 11:37 [#00147136]
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I'm gonna harp on about it again but everyone needs to read Niall Griffiths - Grits, Sheepshagger & Kelly & Victor.
Like Irvine Welsh but lyrical. You've got the dialect but so much more description and beautiful writing.
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-28 12:03 [#00147140]
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i loved uni-you dont just learn about your subject, which is pretty obvious in retrospect, but i didnt realise it at the time-not wanting tosound like a goody two shoes but my only criticism was that i was surrounded by people who just fucked about and got trashed ALL of the time for three years-the education became secondary-that became a bit annoying, but hey each to their own...
jand, what i would say about doing a fine art degree is that the marking system is incredibly subjective-that was experiance of it anyway-i loved the art history part though-we had such an interesting tutor who loved jasper johns.
oh dada as promised-main contributors were andre breton and marcel duchamp-dada was born out of a reaction agaisnt the post effects of ww1, and was essentially an anti art movement-eg paintings with mallets attached inviting the viewer to smash it, a stuffed moneky entitled 'cezanne', duchamp intoduced 'the readymade', a standard common object-eg a snow shovel, bottle rack, and most famously, an upturned urinal. duchamp argued it was art because HE chose it and decided it was art-this posed questions about ownership and authenticity which have become consistent issues in art ever since. dada (french for daddy-apparently legend has it, breton chose this word at random from a dictionary at one of his infamous poetry readings) was also the first movemnt to introdue the concept of installations-ie a art work that can be experianced through its physicality, walkthroughs or rooms. dada is also responsible for the collage.here are a few artists who are regarded as keyfigures should anyone wish to investigate..
max ernst francesco picabia jean arp rene magritte (assoc more with surrealism) Tristan Tzara Schwitters, Kurt
or go to http://www.peak.org/~dadaist/English/Graphics/artists.html
for further info...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-28 12:09 [#00147143]
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any of you UK boys know of Bob kobbing?
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-28 12:15 [#00147145]
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have you read hunter s thompsons the rum diary? thats a great book-fear and loathings far superior though...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-28 12:16 [#00147146]
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And nobody said anything about my new pic, it seems that you guys react only when i upload some shocking porn images... Anyway, from what I've heard, Kobbing is a real inheritor of Dada school: been into photocopying/ cut & paste art for decades, plus this concrete poetry thing. He is over 70, but still doing readings (or should that read shoutings...). Anyway, I was just interested if anyone of you had seen him perform... Jand sounds like somebody who could be into this stuff..
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-28 12:18 [#00147147]
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Aw, shit, Have to go.. see ya later, or, more likely tomorrow.
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-28 12:25 [#00147150]
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nice picture meho! (how predictable of ken..)
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-28 12:33 [#00147155]
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Catch you after Easter Meho - have a good one.
Like the pic. Is it a cock?
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-28 12:39 [#00147159]
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eeeurgh-a cartoon cock with eyes and feelers. and hands poking out the shaft..(wearing butlers gloves).
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-28 14:14 [#00147210]
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"Fuzzy Thinking" by Bart Kosko is one of my most beloved.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-23 14:56 [#01203155]
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anyone read any James Clavell novels? Shogun seems to be his most famous.
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