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funk- might i ask what gives u faith? has your god ever spoken back to you when pray to him/her? Has it ever made certain things happen for you, that couldnt just be coincidence? For expample, I ask god to open the window. he doesnt do it. Why should i have faith now that god is making me get off my lazy ass and open the window myself? how could i have faith when this god hasnt given me any thing to work with? imho, the church is fucked. it has been so since the beggining of its time. im not trying be offensive here, but can u christians really agree that, "witch and homosexual burnings" where a good thing? And the church also used to have a little, "sin forgiven" ticket that you would BUY. Buy forgiveness. If only they still did that in charlie masons time. well ive gone this far, so now i have to rant...... here we goes.. Where did religon come from? The most obvious reasons where to explain why the world existed. all of humanity was eventualy asserted with one religion or the other, and thats when the good ol' holy wars started. Religion was no longer an explamation. It was a fucking government. god damn, people... it was a government that relied so heavily on people believing that it was true, so when someone came out and opposed the idea, they would kill them, thus making a motry to all the other NON-BELEIVERS!! KILL THEM ALLL! MAUHAH... k.. i am hungry. Now think about what the church could accomplish on a personal level. burning homosexuals... "ahh, we just say its gods will, and presto! we get it our way!" why would this god create us all in his image, but hate us? the bible states that, "man shalt not sleepeth with man (nor thy neighbors wife)". If theres a god and hes so damn powerfull that he can create the endless universe, and all of life, and what not, then WHY WOULD HE LET US DO THINGS AGAINST HIS WILL? WHY NOT JUST KILL US? SHIYAT. I AM AETHEIST! I OPPOSE THE CHURCH! I GIVE YOU, GOD, TEHH MIDDLE FINGER! HA! NOW WHY AM I STILL HERE? IF U CAN CREATE THE GOD DAMNED (erm... god made |
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sheesh Mickey, you're overly agressive the last few months.. whats with all the "telling people off"..? you've been doing it to me a lot too lately and I just don't get it. why all the forced confrontations..? oh well. |
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and in answer to The Funkmasters question.. I don't believe in a god for the simple reason that I do not believe in things I cannot experience in a more or less direct way. I have never seen/heard/felt any god. also, to me it sounds more logical that life, in essence, is senseless - explains a lot more of whats happening in the world than having the idea of a god. |
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there are things that are axiom. god's existance is only axiom with SOME of definitions. think of how you define god, and it will probablytgsvn ... ... nevermind |
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i smell revolution... |
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i think that was a bit uncalled for. |
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atheist don't believe in God cuz they are afread. Afread to miss out on something in life. Why pray when you can party? oh...and I have been an new-christian but now i'm an atheist |
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yeah...and to add what made me be a christian -> to believe in something big makes you realize what faith can do, but when you realize that faith, instead of being directed at God, might as well could have been be directed at Buddha or a stone, and have same effect. |
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you realize that the "faith" is greater than the "God" (...sorry...I missed a sentence in last post |
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"Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." Karl Marx's CONTRIBUTION TO THE CRITIQUE OF HEGEL'S PHILOSOPHY OF LAW |
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Atheists don't believe in God because if they did they'd be Christians (or whatever). (c) xceque's Book of Annoyingly Literal Answers To Apparently Straightforward Questions (Vol 2 - Second Edition) |
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I kind of believe in some higher force, but not the kind of God written about in the bible. That stuff is just made up, face it! As for the Church, no way, I used to go to church when I was a kid, (I was made to go!) and it turns out one of the Vicars or whatever was a child molester. Nice eh? So that kind of cements my dismissal of the church system. |
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Some Buddhists believe Jesus existed as do some aetheists- they just don't think he was the son of God. |
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Skyfarmer--I like your icon?? Is that Jesus? ;) Hes got zapping power! Cool! ;) Ceri--right! :) There is actualy proof that a man named Jesus existed and that he was crucified (as was the style to condemn criminals back in those days), but thee is no proof that he was the son of God. |
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This is either the funniest or the saddest thread I've read for quite some time, I can't decide |
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Why does people believe in god? thats the real question! |
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Do people need to believe in God to exist or does God need to have people believe in him to exist? There is some research made that all people have a god-zone somewhere in their brain that is activated under extreme stress or injury. Hence the reason that people who have lost loves ones or have been in terrible accidents suddenly turn to religion. So, in summation all religious people are brain damaged. |
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"One mystery that is unlikely ever to be resolved is whether our brain wiring creates the idea of God, or whether God created our brain wiring." :) |
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I think this is a good thread. :) I like issues like ths. Its fascinating to gather peoples opinions on the same subject. |
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If i was going to invent a God and make people believe in him... this (the christian way) would be almost exactly how i would do it. -you can't see or hear or smell god -you just have to have faith that he exists -you have to believe in him in order to get to heaven -whenever something good happens to you it's the work of God -whenever something bad happens to you it's not God's fault but your own, or the devils. Really not trying to offend anyone, and especially not the funkmaster. I find this an interesting thread. I was raised in a christian way. Going to church every sunday, a prayer before dinner, bible-reading after dinner. And for the first half of my life i believed in God. But in the last couple of years i have just thought alot about this subject, and i came to the conclusion that it just doesn't make sense. Religion that is. From my perspective it's so easy to see why people have written the bible. Here they were on this earth, with so many questions and no anwsers... i think whoever wrote the bible was actually a genius. And if it has given so many people faith and something to believe in... that's a beautiful thing. (also there are many good things in the bible... the world would be a much better place if everyone lived by the 10 commandments). But for me... i look at religion as just that. Something invented by man, to soothe millions of people. Easy anwsers for difficult questions. I suppose life was easier when i still believed in God... but i just can't anymore. It feels a bit like trying to believe in santaclaus again. It was beautiful while it lasted... but now i "know" it's not true and i can't go back. Ironically it was actually a little booklet given to me by a jehova's witness that got me thinking in the first place... it was like 300 pages of writing trying to proove how the bible must be true. But with every word i read i started to believe stronger that it isn't... |
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lol, which came first? The chicken or the egg? ;-) |
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I dont believe god exists.. . and it wouldnt matter to IT if I believed or not.. . personally dont think a god would have any need of worshipers.. . he's just a metaphor for existence itself.. . and a scape goat for many injustices.. . dont know why christians want a dictator for a lord anyway. .. |
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heh, idiot... go to hell... |
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the reason for my posting this thread is because there have been tons of threads about the existence of God, and all that... so I was interested in hearing the opinions of those who don't believe in God... it was not meant as a confrontational thread, or to "convert" people... hell, I'm not that religious myself... I just believe in God... it was just out of personal curiosity... if I offended anyone (besides Mickey, cause he was just acting stupid and ignorant in this thread) then sorry... |
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hey there! from New zealand? are you still online!? looking forward to the big day out?? hows nz? i've jus recently moved away... totally agree.... religion / mr.god is for peoples that can't be arsed thinking for themselves?! pffff... or something |
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Does God believe in atheists? |
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yes i understood that :-) It often seems on this board that the people who don't believe in God, like to make fun of the people that do (even in this thread). But you never see the believers making fun of the atheists... (hehe, like in that one seinfeld episode where David Putty turns out to be a christian... but then the priest tells him he will go to hell anyway for "just having fun" with elaine ;-) Priest: "hahaha hehehe" (making little horns with his fingers against his head). Elaine: "hahaha, don't worry, it'll only feel like an eternity!") ahem... sorry ;-) |
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so true man... hell, I'm not even super religious, but this is one my biggest pet peeves so to speak... some people need to fucking grow up and learn to respect others beliefs... "Oh my, that person has a different belief then I do!! Better make fun oh them!!" Real mature... |
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"It often seems on this board that the people who don't believe in God, like to make fun of the people that do (even in this thread). But you never see the believers making fun of the atheists..." That says it all. |
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again, straight up. |
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"(also there are many good things in the bible... the world would be a much better place if everyone lived by the 10 commandments)" oh dear. I don't agree on that one. thats one of the things that I don't like about christianity - all the little rules. I mean, the first four commandments are all about honoring god etc. should we live by those? would the world be a better place? hasn't helped much up till now. that said, I do agree with a few of them, ofcourse. you know, the not to kill, honor your parents, do not steal ones. the "do not commit adultery"-one is a bit harder. I wouldn't do it and I would hate for someone else to do that to me, but that one kind of grates with human nature. maybe its not very realistic. I think it would make a lot of people very frustrated to follow that one. I don't know. "honor your neighbours goods" - you should be happy with what you have. thats a nice idea, but for most people unfeasible. again, if everybody would follow that one, it would make a lot of people very frustrated. |
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the joke is ..... that we are all our own gods. most religions depict deities as informing us poor plebs of what is right and wrong... oas controlling our future, things o be worshipped But right and wrong is relative to the society you were born into so, if you open your eyes, have a strong heart and develop a belief in your own power you will see that YOU are god.. you control your future. Fuck relgion.... Art is the answer.. worship yourself but don´t confuse that wuth vanity. Its all a laugh really |
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tell me funk, why should i belive in god ? |
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Thus spake Keyfumbler- the ancient God of mixing without headphones. ;) |
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one thing i find really weird about this topic... you asking why some people don't believe in god, but there is no proof anywhere that a god existed?! for the creation of the world (if there was one! it's not even sure...) and all that things, god is nothing but one hypothese among a probable infinity of others... (and imho not an obvious one at all, it's even quite whimsical if you ask me). don't get me wrong, i'm no convict atheist. i just don't believe (in the sense, strong believe, conviction) in god nor in the non-existence of god. maybe the world would have been given birth by, for example, it would have come from another parallel universe (why not?) by the explosion of a huge interuniversal flower, or a mad alien scientist who'd have serendipitously created the universe in which we live and then keeps it in a bottle, or maybe a giant perverse pokémon with a giant interuniversal penis ejaculating galaxies and stuff, or just unknown forces we cannot imagine, or maybe the universe just has always existed, life just appeared serendipitously, because of natural (chemical, physical...) phenomenons! the fact that there are millions of people believing in god doesn't prove anything... millions of people can be right as well as they can be wrong (and when it comes to such a subject, imo... we're all probably wrong about this ^^) please don't take any offense or anything but you were talking about it like believing in god was the "normal" way of thinking, and people believing in anything else (or in nothing?) were deviants... it's not that obvious IMHO. :) |
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I don't beleive in God, Jesus, Virgin Mary, Joseph, Father Xmas, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy. But I do believe in love. |
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aww thats sweet. |
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Quote of the month: God is Santa for grownups. -fleetmouse |
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I think that, "God is a parent/big brother." is a more accurate one. |
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I cannot tell a lie. I stole that quote from someone at |
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depends on if you believe in it/him imo.. if not; fleet's is great i think; believing in something that later appears not to exist if you do; yours is more accurate; like someone/something you can rely on or can be real helpful when you're down :) |
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I'm not an athiest - I just pray there is no God. If there is, I'm going to kick his/her/its ass. |
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on second thoughts: Quote of the month: God is a parent/big brother. -CeriJC ;) |
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I meant to say, if you don't believe in God that's a good way to explain why people do believe in it. People grow up and they still want someone to protect them like when they were a child. I like to think of God as a mother/older brother. |
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That's a sack of chicken bones for you my lad, next 25th December! :) |
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I believe that children are our future Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be Everybody searching for a hero People need someone to look up to I never found anyone to fulfill my needs A lonely place to be So I learned to depend on me I decided long ago Never to walk in anyone's shadows If I fail, if I succeed At least I will live as I believe No matter what they take from me They can't take away my dignity Because the greatest love of all Is happening to me I found the greatest love of all Inside of me The greatest love of all Is easy to achieve Learning to love yourself It is the greatest love of all I believe the children are our future Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be And I decided long ago Never to walk in anyone's shadows If I fail, if I succeed At least I will live as I believe No matter what they take from me They can't take away my dignity Because the greatest love of all Is happening to me I found the greatest love of all Inside of me The greatest love of all Is easy to achieve Learning to love yourself It is the greatest love of all And if by chance, that special place That you've been dreaming of Leads you to a lonely place Find your strength in love I'm filling up jonesy - can you feel the love in this room? |
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What if there isn't such thing as God, and heaven and hell? Have all those devote Christians wasted all those Sunday mornings...etc.etc.?? |
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i dont think itd be a waste anything that can bring a person peace is surely a good thing. |
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what if that thing you believed in is a fucking outright lie? you´re saying the end justifies the means in the spiritual sense? I rather spend my time on rality than waste it on old ideas. Reality is MORE neauitifll than some daydream,.... you just got to open your eyes |
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I wouldn't know. I tend to spend Sunday mornings in bed with a hangover. Church bores me. I don't think I should go out of a sense of obligation. |
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