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clozmyen ded: en este foro hay pocas reglas, pero si te metes con la gente es probable que te echen... no pienses que voy de policia, a mi me da igual, pero es para que sepas como esta el tema. eres de los pocos españoles que hay por aqui... desde cuando te gusta aphex? |
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huh ey |
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i kinda like Advanced Thinking Music is that an accepted term now? |
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this is very rude.. |
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tits, i disagree it doenst have to be an "experiment", but the fact that people are trying new things, maybe not form, but certainly use of sounds in a much different way then the majority of people have heard. so, you dont think autechre is experimental? they arent "experimenting" with sounds, to find an asethetic in noises (ie confield) the average person off the street probably hasnt heard any electronic music before and so when they hear "BEEEP squclch crunch noise" thy are gonna think, wow, thats pretty new, and experimental. at least it gives them a better idea then "techno" because if the average person out there has heard anything electronic, its mainstream electronic, and no where near "IDM" |
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yes but even a large part of the sounds used aren't that different.. "so, you dont think autechre is experimental? they arent "experimenting" with sounds, to find an asethetic in noises (ie confield)" I don't get what you're trying to say here.. you think confield is experimental, or not..? |
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connars kicks my ass |
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we all know autechre is experimental... I think titsworth was saying that IDM cannot be called experimental cos not everythin is experimental... but of course autechre most of the time is |
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I know what titsworth was saying, I agree with him.. most of ae is pretty experimental, yeah.. imo more so than most of afx stuff.. (uh-oh!) |
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mi novia se caga en ti, me voy gracia |
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I just call it all electronica .thats the coolist name for it . dont worry what its called just enjoy it. |
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yea actually I was following up to zeus but I must have followed up your post |
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yup :) |
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"intelligent dance music" is lexically wrong because it explicitly implies that the MUSIC is intelligent. Music cannot be intelligent. Maybe it can be created in a manner that requires intelligence by the HUMAN making it. After listening to ep7, I'd have to agree that "intelligent" would be fitting in a descriptive title of it's genre. And just take away that stupid "dance" part... |
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yes i think autechre is experimental but what im saying by experimental, from an outsiders point of view, would be the use of sounds as a focus in the music. even the most straight forward IDM, with pery melodies and everything, is still focusing on sound. sounds used. the way they mess with the sounds. sounds to create emotion. to the normal person, alls they usually hear is stuff with melody, and chords etc. but in electronic muisc, the focus is more on the sounds. (not saying production... just sounds... sounds can have emotion). so when they hear music that is based on just sound manipulation (and again, even most straight forward "IDM" is true of this) it is experimental, because its new to them. its a new idea, that sound can carry just as much emotion as melody/harmonies. and now i must go to class |
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good point |
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ugh, what a load of nonsense. Did you really have to defacate right in the middle of two BEAUTIFUL messages by me? Well at least they'll now appear even better in relative comparison. |
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dammit, that ruined the effect of my insult. |
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whatever |
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mm.. you seem to be pretty sure thats why people think "idm" is strange.. because it focuses on sounds.. in my opinion, most idm doesn't even focus much on sounds themselves, more on structure of the track.. thats why a lot of "idm" is disappointing to me, the sounds used are too boring, to put it bluntly.. |
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well i wasn't really saying most electronic music follows verse/chorus/verse pattern, cos most doesn't. but avoiding that doesn't make it somehow "experimental." |
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anyone agree that the genre called IDM or Braindance has progressed the evolution of electronic music??? |
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all the "experimental" electronic music produced in the past decade has been done before. END |
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who has done something like Confield before? just curious |
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never heard of them |
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the answer? NOONE |
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Zeus: i think you're grossly misusing the term "experimental." electronic music as a whole ceased to be that in the 80s (people have been "experimenting" with electronic music since the early 1900s). as i said before, just cos it's "different" doesn't mean it's experimental. if you want to give people the impression that it's really strange compared to what they listen to, say it's strange. but don't misrepresent it as something it's not. autechre and squarepusher making music with new equipment is no more experimental than R.E.M. recording an album with a new guitar. likewise, go plastic is no more "experimental" to a new listener than aboriginal digeridoo music is to the uninitiated. it's just a different approach to making music. no matter how radical confield sounds, it's not the result of some experiment (if it is, tell me about it because from what i read, this is just a logical progression in their 10+ years of music making). experimental idm to me is stuff like matmos and herbert. their tracks really ARE made from an experimental point of view. i know you love IDM but there are plenty of great things about it without having to pretend it's the work of geniuses, isolated completely from all other existing music... |
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heard of this ? Projection Esemplastic for White Noise - Joji Yuasa |
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heard of this? Map of 49's Dream the Two Systems of Eleven Sets of Galactic Intervals - La Monte Young |
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or this ? Melange - Klaus Schulze |
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i also disagree that IDM (or whatever you call it) is inherinently focused on individual or specific sounds; likewise i disagree that sounds have been "ignored" by other types of music before IDM. i mean you're ignoring the whole concept of instrumentation (what sounds best played by certain instruments). also, the concept of the non-melodic "sound" in music is very old. it's centuries old, but my favorite example is from the 60s -- listen to "machine gun" by jimi hendrix :) |
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or this even? Spacecraft - M.E.V. listen to these, then listen to your IDM collection, then argue with me |
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i'm not saying i think confield is experimental, just that nothing exactly like it has been done to my knowledge. i think it's kind of silly to compare electronic music anyway though because of the limitless possibilities inherent in the medium; it allows for completely idiosyncratic creations, which is why i am pretty confident that noone has ever done anything exactly like confield before. |
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yeah, to your knowledge, but you dont know what music autechre listen to |
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I think that autechre experiments with each ep they make... they go step by step in their own progression towards future music... I think that is experimenting... but, well, I agree that its not experimental for sounding differen.... and any tipe of music can be experimental |
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i'd tend to agree. confield sounds very unique to me. however, i haven't heard any of goon's examples, so i'll hold off on a definitive opinion. anyway, i just wanted to say that things can be "unique" w/o being "experimental." i think that's a grossly misused and overused term among electronic fans. i dunno if i'd even call merzbow experimental. it seems to be the same M.O. with each track, but he might do some things that qualify it as experimental (depending on what he samples, how he puts the track together, and any ideology or subtext behind the noise or sequence of noise tracks). |
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well, it's progress but it's not experimentation necessarily. do you know what i mean? i don't think their musical evolution with each successive ep or album is different from the evolution followed by the beatles, or NIN, or any artist in music whose albums sound different from each other. i think "experimental music" should really only apply to music where actual experimentation (such as combining the sounds of babies laughing with cut up sounds of ocean waves crashing) is the focus of the music. |
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well I agree with you on "idm" mostly not being experimental. however, I still do think the biggest part of "idm" follows the same structure (maybe not the exact verse-chorus-verse structure, though..), with adding and substracting percussion and melodies. |
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so you're trying to tell me that with 1974 technology, minus the custom equipment of autechre, Joji Yuasa made something that sounds exactly like Confield?! i would listen for myself but having trouble finding anything. |
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it's highly doubtful. have u even heard Confield |
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i looked it up. he's an old man. even if by accident it sounds similar there's no way he would have the same culture as younger generations like autechre, therefore his music would not say the same thing in the same way. |
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what the hell are you talking about!? "therefore his music would not say the same thing in the same way" how did you get the idea that the above is in any way logical? |
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look, as I said, this is how Im saying it to people who dont know anything about it. Its not nessasarilly what I beleive. And I wouldnt use the word strange, because, to me at least, strange seems to have a somewhat negative conotation. Maybe its just me. But yeah, its all about perception. If no one ever heard anything like Polka music before, id bet it sounded experimental. A different way of doing things from the norm. And if the norm is what the general population listens to, then in this perception, its experimental. also, tits you gave the example of someone cutting up a tape of baby voices and mixing it with waves. You said thats experimental. Well how about someone thinking "hmmm, what would happen if I ran this synthesizer into this effect?" its the same thing. Its trying something that you dont really know the end result. I think alot of electronic music is based on discovery. and of course previois music hasnt ignored sounds. I didnt say that. But its not the FOCUS. play Bachs Fugue on any instrument, and its still Bach Fugue. You cant do this with someone like Autechre. Even if you did play the melody on some other instrument, it isnt what the original track was totally about. You wouldnt get the intended effect imo. (NOT saying that its just filler, but im saying its not the most important aspect of the music). If you took any track from aphex twin, or autechre, or any IDM artist, and didnt worry about the sounds used, and used general midi, for example, no one would like it. It would sound like absolute shit. The stuff squarepusher does with effects and sound manipulation, there is no equivilent to that besides effects and sound manipulation. and i dont think electronic music is isolated to a bunch of geniuses. For christs sake, for someone who accusses me of attacking you for the sake of it, you seem to throw out some cheap shots, and just down right spiteful remarks. You dont know me. So dont assume. |
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listen to it, then talk to me :) |
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hey my friends... its been a nice talk on music... this is when I really enjoy this messageboard |
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for me it is the famoust elements from several music styles, most i call it electronic, ambient, also braindance, fast music, deep think, music with character. i hate that IDM thing, cuz peoples start making own stuff and just call it IDM.. diffrent music will come up and everybody are discussing about, what IDM really is ... |
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Quote from a friend - "If you listen to techno, I want nothing to do with you." |
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I call everything I listen to music. |
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the word "techno" is miss-used today ;) |
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Oh, and if someone's already said that...I skipped a lot of the posts in this thread. |
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