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"that has everything to do with the person and not the drugs" exactly |
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promo, i'm not being nit picky at all, you've just missed my point. as tony fish put it, there's it's not black and white. i am not a loser, weak, or unreliable, and i know plenty of drug appreciators who aren't either. you're stereotypical drug user is just that. you are exremely judgemental. if you say that you don't associate with users at all, you must draw the line somewhere, which is why i ask where you draw the line? how many drinks? is there a certain number of tokes you can accept? you can't rightly make judgements on people because they use a drug. you can make perosonalty judgements, and you relate their problems to drug abuse, but that doens't mean their negative qualities are the qualities of all who use that particular drug. i know you aren't stupid, but you ahve resorted to simple minded bigotry. |
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i like this thread much more than the god existence one :D much more agreement. |
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lol I haven't had time to read the god existence article so I'm giving that one a miss! |
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I've done alot. But the only thing i really enjoy is mushrooms. Once a year or so. |
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Whats to tolerate?! You are currently having a conversation with a drug user. Is it upsetting you, or disturbing you? Do I appear weak, or unrealiable to you? Or is it that you think you are somehow better than us 'druggys' for having the strength to say no? It takes a fuck load more strength to come off smack than it does to say no to start with. So claiming that drug takers are weak, and avoiding them because of it makes no sense. |
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that one is long! i think it's about to be buried soon. |
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"Or is it that you think you are somehow better than us 'druggys' for having the strength to say no?" That pretty much describes me about a year ago. Then I had to sit down and think it over for a while and realised how fucked up that train of thought was. Life is a process of constant refinement of self (if that makes any sense !!!) |
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yep... perfect sense |
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jupitah, 'i know you aren't stupid' why thank you for the complement. Lol. :-) I have always had an anti-drug view and the truth is on occassions its got me into trouble (not physical though). I don't know where one would draw the line. If I knew someone who I respected and found to be trustworthy or whatever, then subsequently found out they were into drugs, I don't know what I'd do. It would certainly alter my view on them. Truth is I genuinely don't associate with many people who 'currently do drugs'. I think it is pretty unavoidable not to associate with people who haven't at some point in their life taken drugs. I tend to think that most of the people I know aren't into drugs. But I don't know difinitevely or wouldn't really want to know. |
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Sorry to keep bangin on about this, but Promo... what you are saying is making less and less sense. You start by saying that you don't want to associate with anyone that takes drugs. Now you are saying that you "wouldn't really want to know" if those people were. Surely if your views are strong enough to say the things you have posted here, you would be bothered if those around you were taking drugs. Now it seems that you don't know if they are, which begs the question... what difference does it make? If you can't tell!! |
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nobodies pointed this out but... autechre = stoned out of thier head, chiastic slide quote "was made on schrooms" luke vibert is a huge stoner.... aphex is a stoner too with electronic music it can help to be stoned because otherwise it can be frustrating to fuck with cables and software crashing. theres not immediate gratifacation, like say pluging a guitar into an amp. |
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the argumentation is falling apart at the seams! |
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let it be said that aphex doesn't make music while under the influence of drugs or, at least, that's what he says... but drugs can give things like music entirely new dimensions which is generally a good thing. |
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'nother point.. acid IS a HARD drug. that will fuck you up mentally for the REST of your life.. i mean i would say that coke is 10 times better for... apart from the addiction..but it doesn't fry your fuckin brains out. e is also very bad for you..... schrooms are the best way to trip out in a semi-healthier manner... i'm not recomiending coke or anything but if you think acid is ok for you then your trippin. pun intended |
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really? i suppose that makes sense. but i know that for mike and rick they were so fucking high it had to be off the chart.. |
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yeah but shrooms have been known to fuck people up too. As jupitah says "everything to do with the person and not the drugs" |
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promo, just realize when you make sweeping statements like you have, people are going to be offended. i was offended. maybe i should care less about what other people think of me, but that's not realistic. i just don't feel comfortable being thought of as a weak unreliable loser by somebody who doesn't know me. it's a bit bothersome. i'm glad we could have this mb to associate through. |
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LuckyPsycho, You're being extremely padantic and naive. You are missing the point entirely. When I say 'I don't know' I say that because of course I would have certain loyalities towards someone, so it would be hard for me to just cut that person straight off. I am human you know. And when I say 'that I don't know difinitevely if someone is on drugs' I mean just that. People can disguise these things pretty well. So all I'm saying is one can't absolutely positively know 100% that someone doesn't take drugs currently. I certainly believe strongly that those I know don't take drugs and are also anti-drugs but freinds usually agree with you and also tend to keep some of their worst characteristics (things they don't want others to see) out of sight. To make the point absolutely clear. I believe very strongly that I don't currently associate with anyone who takes drugs. Now do you understand? |
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every experience you have changes you for the rest of your life, and the more intense the experience, the greater you are affected. acid will not necessarily "fuck you up" but it certainly could. shrooms are no different. when playing with fire, you're going to get burned. if you respect the fire and approach it with maturity, good itentions and fire education, you aren't necessarily going to be burned, but nothing is certain. the whole shrooms=organic=good acid=synthetic=bad holds no scienctific basis. a lot of it has to do with fear and expectations. shrooms weren't that widely available until terence and dennis mckenna wrote a book that demystified the cultivation process, so acid provided a psychedelic relief for those who needed it. which was apparently a whole bunch of people:) |
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refering to the sixties |
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mike and rich would be the obvious exception yes !! |
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yes but some people are more mentally fragile (perhaps that isn't best way of putting it) than others and these experiences can damage them... |
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yeah, some are susceptible to damage. i think it has to with the fact that when you do something as serious as lsd or psilosybin, you really get confronted with a lot of things in your subconcsious mind. if you have fears that you aren't going to be able to face, they might eat you up. i've been eaten up. i've seen people be eaten up. psychedelics can be beautiful, peaceful and blissful, but i just can't seem to find any use for them unless i'm going to take it very seriously. not in the sense that it's not fun. it's a tricky little balancing act is what it is, to me. |
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walking the golden thread as my friend puts it. but that applies to all life, not just psychoactive chem experience. |
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well i wasn't using the orgainic equals good arguement.. yes schrooms can fuck you up. yes you can go on unaffected by acid and e... imo shrooms are a much lesser evil and i would say are in a different catogory than acid... this is my opinion. |
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ah yes I definately agree that they are a lesser evil, probably one of the safest.. |
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I just feel the need to back up Promo: I feel the exact way he does. I don't know why, life just made it that way. I don't judge anymore, I used to, I'll admit that. I just can't stand to be around drug/alcohol users when they are lit or not. Just won't do it. Personal choice like people who drink and do drugs have made, I don't judge, but I feel 100% what promo is saying. |
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i wasn't implying that you were using the org=good argument, i just brought that up cause i hear it so often. don't panic it's organic! as for mushrooms being safer, i'm not sure what that is based on. some people swear that mushrooms made them insane but acid is very friendly. who is right? i think it depends on the psychology of the individual. there is no chemical basis that i know of. of course there hasn't been too much hard-science research on this stuff. if you think mushrooms are safer (i assume you mean in the psychological sense) then they probably are... for you. |
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hummmmmm.......ok again i feel the need to express my thoughts. why can't people accept (whether they think they are prejudiced/wrong/lame/narrowminded/etc. or not) other peoples attitudes and beliefs about drugs?? it seems like some people on here feel the need to change peoples minds about strongly heald beliefs about drugs/alcohol, etc. instead of RESPECTING their choices. i DO NOT want to be around people who take drugs or are drugged out.....same goes for drunks .....is that wrong. NO. it's MY choice, not anyone elses. the people that choose to take drugs.....i say GO FOR IT, it's your life, your choice. just please don't talk down to me like i'm not COOL or something because i choose something different. it's RUDE and i don't like the intimations that i or anyone else who makes the same choice is making the WRONG one. i let you go your way......let me go mine. and keep comments about how UNcool people are that don't agree with you to yourself! |
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sure but when did anyone say anyone was 'uncool'. As far as I'm concerned you're all on xltronic and thus you're all cool ;) |
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it's just a feeling i get.......... it really doesn't bother me in the sense that i don't rely on other's opinions about me, for my self worth. it's just not right for peepz to say 'you don't know what you're talking about cos you've never tried it' cos......for example i don't need to taste garbage to know what it would taste like. i don't like people THINKING that they can or SHOULD change peoples minds about personal choices. it's such a lack of respect IMO. |
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bloody hell, its good to see a topic that i started getting such a response out of people for once. the way i see it, if alcohol and tobacco were introduced into society now, and not a few hundred years ago, would they be made legal? no, of course not, thousands of people are killed by both of these, be it cancer or killed in a drink driving car accident every year. how many people are killed each year from taking ecstasy? in the uk, probably no more than 40 i reckon. the only problem with drugs like ecstasy and ketamine is people frown upon them because they are illegal. i work in a bar and i don't drink, but for the past 12 weekends in a row i have got wrecked on drugs. but i know people who go for a drink every day. not to get drunk though. but what i'm saying is that alcohol is more habit forming than ecstasy. i don't neck one every day. but people go down the pub every day. i've never seen anyone start a fight cos they've had a pill, but after a few beers people do. not everyone obviously. "leaves the room to get some rocks." |
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You don't wanna be around me coz I take drugs? That sounds liek not respecting other peoples beliefs to me. Pff fine then you're not invited to my birthday party ;-P |
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first of all, nobody would suggest that, of all people, you weren't cool! second of all, you sound as if you haven't really read the topic. i don't speak for everyone here, but my main argument is that i am not a weak unreliable loser. am i disrespecting people's beliefs by reacting defensively to such bigotry? i think the "feeling" that you got was a bit off maybe. maybe not, but it has nothing to do with what i have been saying. |
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Um...I did a mb search for drug topics and there were...like...880...about 150 of which were purely and passionately about drugs. After reading through them...real quick-like...it seems like 90% of anyone who's done drugs is pro-drug, while 90% of anti-druggies have never done and never will do drugs... hmm... |
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its not anyones fault that theyre puppets of drug war propaganda :D |
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you mean pro-drug like they like doing drugs personally or prodrug as in they recommend othersa use drugs? |
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"pro-drug" meaning: they took drugs and the experience they had was good and positive and life enhansing for their own person... ...and didn't affect anyone else that wasn't affected already. |
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pro drug because all drugs are addictive and bad and cause everyone who does them to be doomed for all eternity!! Round them up and destroy them all!! :D |
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"all drugs are addictive" hahahahahahah omg omg dude learn a leetle about the topic before you say dumb stuff unless you were joking, in which case "touche!!" |
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pro drug as in they take them for a living. |
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Hey... We're all Doomed. It's just that some dooms are just superior to others. |
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Pro drug as in they make them for a living. Pro Drug as in they sell them for a living. Pro Drug as in they bust them for a living. Pro drug as in they patent them for a living. Pro drug as in they make them available for the rich for a living. Pro drug as in they advertise them for a living. Pro Drug as in the Rich eat the Poor for a living. Pro Drug as in they live. |
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Go Leafs! |
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poop to drugs! |
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Drugs undermine the cohesion of our society, along with homosexuality and promiscuity. I consider myself to be quite liberal but I think we have slid too far down a slippery slope. Its time to climb back up that slope, clearing to slime and scum as we go. |
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Drugs are not the problem - it's the people that take them that are the problem. People under the influence of drugs have been responsible for every great piece of music, every great piece of literature, every great piece of art, every invention known to mankind. Drugs help to enhance and inspire gifted minds and I believe help to speed up evolution. Unfortunately, when the hoi polloi get hold of drugs, the only thing it enhances is their stupidity and aggressiveness. I suggest IQ tests should be a prerequisite to experimenting. |
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You're not a drug taker then? |
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Well as a matter of fact....wait a minu......oh i get it ........ hahaahahahahahahaha ......no........ hahahahahah..... god you're funneeeee! |
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