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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-10 21:27 [#00477186]
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or are they valid? i'm not talking about smack and crack, i mean stuff like e's, weed acid and ketamine.
theres no way that i'd do any of the hardcore ones (i've seen what happens to people), but as long as you don't cane it all the time, i don't see how it can fuck you up.
everything in moderation, right? i mean taking too many drugs will fuck you up, but eating too many burgers will too. whats the real difference between drugs and fast food - they're both addictive, right?????
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2002-12-10 21:30 [#00477188]
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pot and shrooms learn the rest to do mentally.
drugs are an evolution of mankind.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2002-12-10 21:31 [#00477190]
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i didn't say in a positive direction...
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americky
on 2002-12-10 21:35 [#00477193]
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it depends on person. if you can realize that the depression you feel is beacuse you changed your chemistry than u're not a loser.
but come on! drugs and fast food are really different things! hehe.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-10 21:37 [#00477196]
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Pot is probably less harmful than alcohol.
Hallucinogens like acid, on the other hand, can muck your head up if you were a bit edgy to start with.
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steve
from chicago on 2002-12-10 21:40 [#00477199]
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If anything we should be doing more drugs. I'd rather all the politicians of the world get high and have fun than to sit around thinking about how to start wars.
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-10 21:41 [#00477201]
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its a lot less harmful than booze. but you do get potaholics too, right?
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spoonz
from Edmonton, AB (Canada) on 2002-12-10 21:43 [#00477203]
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i thought there wasn't anything in marijuana that can get you addicted to it, and that was one of the reasons it's so much less harmful than other drugs..
that's just me being a 14 yr. old kid with no drug experience...*cough* 'cept i've been second hand smoking all my life >_< i swear i'm getting addicted
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-10 21:44 [#00477204]
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the reason that i ask is that my woman gives me grief for getting fucked every weekend with my mates. she says i'll end up being a junkie, blah blah blah.
but itake her out in the week, have a good job earning ok money and stuff.
i think she reckons that i love drugs more than her. foolish woman.
but if everyone WAS fucked on drugs, then the world might be a better place.
everyone would be too spaced out to fucking shoot each other.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-10 21:44 [#00477205]
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Potaholics are just lazy and dopey. Alcoholics are violent and ruin your carpet.
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b0nk
from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2002-12-10 21:49 [#00477209]
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well if the negative effects outweight the positive effects ..
negative effects being addiction, law, health
its a tricky subject, the massive effort to stop them gives them a negative image, but with marijuana they dont showits medicinal effects enough. Casual use can be controlled if done right (see netherlands or wherever) but i just think all the negative effects it does to people cause the government to be so harsh, rightfully so
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-10 21:59 [#00477214]
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one good thing about drugs, is that your records sound really MENTAL when your off it. i know i'm kinda missing the point of this subject, but its true.
saw2 on strong acid is scary. and so am i. but drugs have got a negative image, people who take them are regarded as wasters by some, but surely it is better to have a good time in life than worrying about what people think of you for doing it?
i think the key is not to overdo it and to know your limits, else you will end up a serious messhead who sells all their stuff.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-10 22:01 [#00477215]
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I don't think there's anything wrong with pot that isn't worse with other, *legal* substances - alcohol and cigarettes, for example, or certain prescription drugs. And it's up to the individual to decide whether the good outweighs the bad. This isn't heroin or crack.
Canada looks like it's ging to decriminalize it next year, and I say good. The only thing it will hurt is organized crime.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2002-12-10 22:22 [#00477218]
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I just like trying new stuff.
I really want sope acid but it's kind of hard to find here.
I do a fair bit of speed and e though (go to raves) and a fair bit of weed (mostly on weekends though, coz I know it does kind of mess with yr memory a bit if you do it all the time)
I love a good drink too, though.
It's not an escapist attitude, it's justa fun and usually sociable thing to do (well pot isn't really, which is why i oly smoke weed on nights where not much is happening)
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-10 22:47 [#00477224]
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last night nathan gaunt put it:
'the more you drink, the better you become!'
well it certainly helps my game of pool :) i was doing the paul newman!
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-11 00:36 [#00477260]
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drugs are like fire. not inherently bad, but potentially dangerous. there is no clear boudary between food spice and drugs anyhow. there is always something inbetween that defies labels. it's all lying on a continuum, like race. your burger has drugs in it. some of your drugs have nutrition. some of your spices are drugs. some of the chemicals produced in your brain are drugs. you can't rightly say "drugs good" or "drugs bad" any more than you can say "italians stupid" or "asians smartest"
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-11 00:38 [#00477262]
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hehe, got to get a kick out of this one...
"Psychedelics often produce psychotic and even violent behavior in those that have never used them".
-Timothy Leary
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-11 00:53 [#00477268]
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didnt he have his head cut off and frozen when he died? what a nutbar :]
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-11 01:09 [#00477279]
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sounds like something leary would have done. that man cracks me up.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-11 01:12 [#00477283]
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i swear i should be a pool shark
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Dolleater
from Afrika Bambaataa on 2002-12-11 01:18 [#00477285]
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Drugs are for everyone.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-12-11 01:25 [#00477287]
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i'm anti-drug
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-11 01:27 [#00477288]
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i'm totally pro-drug. people just shouldn't be sober this day in age. it's just not right.
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2002-12-11 05:02 [#00477375]
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some people can control their drug use. some don't. most people don't. drugs are bad. i've seen it up-close.. :(
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str_ph
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-11 05:16 [#00477380]
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I should say drugs are ambivalent (?). I mean you can use them for the good reasons ( have fun with mates, paint, read, play music ) and the bad ones ( escape from every day problems, boredom...). It's only your responsibility to say "stop I'm going too far, doing drugs is not a good idea those days - let's make a break" and re-tox later like fat boy slim says.
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b0nk
from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2002-12-11 05:20 [#00477384]
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lol i saw this show about cremation and they said timothy leary has some of his ash in orbit in outerspace lol
its pretty cool anyone can do it for about 20-30K and it stas in orbit a few years then just floats off and keeps going till it burns up somewhere
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2002-12-11 05:29 [#00477390]
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the only thing I hate is when people TRY to force drugs onto you, I'll take just about anything if I'm in the right mood,. but sometimes I just feel like keeping a level head
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-11 06:03 [#00477412]
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take these pills now, refund, OR ELSE!!!!!!!!!
the first hit is for free....
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MrDwatt
from Helsinki (Finland) on 2002-12-11 06:13 [#00477421]
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Music is the druq to take! Druqks is mine! You will all be surprised by the fact that you one day can´t control your drug use anymore. I´m honest, I know I would like drugs so much I would get trapped. That´s why I even haven´t tried! But go on, live a short and (hopefully) lucy life. I take the smaller road, I have to find my drugs in other things. The best possible drug is god. But unfortunantly he dosn´t fit me.
Music & Creativity is the ´Drugs I recommend for you, they are more difficult to get(money dosn´t do it) but they are wicked when you get them!!
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-11 06:22 [#00477425]
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I used to abuse alcohol. Fucked me up man. Now I touch hardly any booze but smoke pot. My life is better.
I dislike E and so on. I only smoke weed.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-12-11 06:30 [#00477434]
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I used to drink absolutely loads- every night after work, going to school still drunk, drinking down the pub on my own in 6th form etc. still, I did okay :)
I still cane it sometimes when I go out, but I go out less and usually don't get mashed.
Not into drugs, I've seen it mess some people up.
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-12-11 06:32 [#00477436]
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i used to drink alot too and it really messed my head up. alcohols dangers are wayyyy underrated.
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2002-12-11 06:48 [#00477449]
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I've been lucky enough to never have to pay for drugs,.. I've done all types of stuff, but never paid a cent,
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2002-12-11 08:11 [#00477514]
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Drugs can trigger things hidden deep within your mind which, once triggered, may never go away. Maybe this can be beneficial but in the few cases I personally know of it was/is far from fun :(
'drugs are bad hmm'k ?' ;)
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MrDwatt
from Helsinki (Finland) on 2002-12-11 15:19 [#00477896]
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Music and Creativity are my drugs. Drukqs is the DRUG!!
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-11 15:48 [#00477919]
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Yes to answer your question drugs are for losers. Weak losers at that, who can't cope with life. I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for people who take drugs. I wouldn't even want to associate with them.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-12-11 15:51 [#00477920]
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i think theyre pretty good
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2002-12-11 15:54 [#00477923]
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my question to you: have you/do you ever get drunk just for the sake of getting drunk and the effect it produces?
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-12-11 16:07 [#00477937]
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no i cant say that even if im a loser doing drugs
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-11 16:08 [#00477939]
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TonyFish,
And your point is?
I don't get drunk. You see we in England have a culture which is called 'getting drunk on a Friday'. In Europe drink is a pleasure, its something they do for pleasure not to get drunk. So its hardly surprising they regard us as so crude, not that I'm pro Europe or anything.
I am aware of the relaxing effect alcohol can have on you but I wouldn't say I have ever got drunk. People like to be part of the gang, to feel accepted, so that means you must drunk and puke up regularly, you must take drunks etc etc. Its just weak.
Nearly 1/3 of the population (in England) have taken drugs in the UK and on top of that a lot of people regularly get 'pissed' during the weekend, this is hardly subversive culture, its pretty commonplace. Its peer group pressure and most people are so weak they sucumb. I am proud to say that I didn't and never had any interest in doing so. I am not puritanical or a religious nut. I just believe its for weak people and have always thought so.
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C738
from Outer Space on 2002-12-11 16:09 [#00477940]
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"ONLY USERS LOSE DRUGS"
and again... I rest my case...
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2002-12-11 16:35 [#00477966]
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hahaha you're speaking to someone who's lived in france half his life and loathes the 'getting drunk on friday' thing. I totally agree with you. In europe people drink for pleasure or as an intergral part of a meal. While we are on the subject they also eat for pleasure when we english eat to survive (generalisation). Anyway, nice to meet an fellow englishman who's on the same wavelength :)
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oolong
from Australia on 2002-12-11 16:35 [#00477967]
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Drugs have been around for ever. Animals use them when they figure out which plants to eat. etc.
And yes, it is weak kinda. But animals are weak. They do things for pleasure and don't really think about consequences.
And in case you hadn't figured it, humans are animals too.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2002-12-11 16:36 [#00477968]
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oh yeah and my point was that this is the same thing but happily it doesn't apply to you.
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diablo
on 2002-12-11 16:48 [#00477980]
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Bored of this subject now. If you choose to take drugs/drink don't pressure anyone else to do it.
If you choose not to don't preach to people who do.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-12-11 16:49 [#00477982]
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Drugs are for people who like drugs.
Hi im Sido and i am the most intelligent poster here......
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-12-11 16:54 [#00477987]
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you looks like the electronic gus in the tv in "road rules" right now
sorry for that :)
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-12-11 16:55 [#00477989]
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shit i must go to bed i write like a drunk carpet now..................
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-12-11 17:02 [#00478000]
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me too hahahhaaha! im very drunk and sholdnt be posting at all =)
Goodnight =)
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2002-12-11 17:03 [#00478001]
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Quite
Not to mention a that a great deal of great art, litterature and music has been created under the influence or due to drug experiences.
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