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i'm too lazy to list any reasons, maybe later, but does anyone agree with me? |
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nope. Smartest people to ever pice up a sequencer. You should be greatfull for the contributions that they've made to art. |
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no, but some will agree, i'm pretty sure |
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the pro-ae clan is strong now, wind may change though |
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whats the point of starting this topic if you're not even to give any reasons? I do NOT agree with you. I do however think Aphex Twin is highly overrated, and likewise to you, frag, I won't give any reason. |
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they're not shit, they're just not amazing. |
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i sometime think that but i honestly never gave their music a serious listen so i cant realy agree. i just dont listen to them much, although i think if i really gave them a shot i would like them |
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confield is insanely overrated, autechre are great artists. |
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yeah maybe i'm just thinking that way, Zaphod...i always hear about confield, and i have it, i don't see what's so amazing. |
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and this topic is stupid. why the hell am i even responding to this. its like "hey, autechre suck, i'll leave it at that with absolutely no explanation whatsoever." this message board has gone to hell. |
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it's not that bad. not the mb nor this topic ;) |
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I think they're rated just right. Though they do piss me off sometimes with their dogged desire to be FUCKING WEIRD! But I can forgive them because for every miss (Gantz Graf), there's a massive hit (Confield). I DO think Tri Repetae is overrated, though. |
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The board is full of completely unrelated juvenile info at this point. |
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I agree on you Tri Repetae-point, Ophecks. |
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OK, I should have said "I think autechre is insanely overrated," because this is all based on opinion, but... Fine, here it is: Generative music is really inaccessible, and uninteresting at that. I thought it was very interesting at first, but Gantz Graf is terribly annoying. People praise their newer stuff as genius, but for the above reasons and the fact that their older albums were nicer (to me). I really hope Draft is going to be good; maybe i'm just not "experimental" enough for the autechre sound, but someone tell me what is so great about them, i've never seen a straight explanation. |
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i spent some time at watmm recently and except some ppl pretending how stupid xltronic is, nazi shit, and whining how everything goes downhill (and a MUCH higher shit/no-shit ratio than this place) i was only stunned by the mere lack of humor. whatsoever, i'm glad this place is like it is. and confield is NOT overrated. |
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My rabbit does that thing in your picture, Cheffe. |
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thanks for atleast providing a basis for your opinion, but its just that, an opinion. really, who cares? this has been said before as has the opposite. |
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if it is not for you, than that's just fine. i don't like many aphex releases for my part. |
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Well, I care, see...Because I would like to enjoy listening to Autechre as much as everyone else here seems to, but I need to be able to see what is there to enjoy first. |
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right. well, you can start by buying all their albums, listening, and forming an opinion. |
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Yeah Cheffe, about the humor in this board, I know what you mean...Everyone here is generally really nice, except when I make a blank post about why i don't like autechre :x |
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you may never like autechre. to this day i despise Confield, think its a load of shit, but others like it, and thats fine with me. |
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from Grooves #7 interview with Sean Booth (SB): "AR - Generative music... SB - Well, no no what is generative music? AR - Algorithmic music, random elements in system... SB - This is the part you don't understand. You don't know what you're talking about. Do you know anything about generative music? AR - Generative to me means generative algorithms, evolving systems of... SB - So you know about mapping complex numbers against imaginary numbers, but what can you tell me about our music? Do you actually know anything about the way that we make music, or are we speculating? (laughs) AR - I am speculating, so tell me... SB - For start, the word 'random' -- it takes the shit right out of me. There's absolutely nothing random about what we do. There might be a lot of number crunching going on but there's nothing random in there. AR - So you're not making instantaneous decisions based on whatever the computer is spitting out at a given time? SB - Well I don't know, it depends what kind of action or reaction to a situation you've got. I mean, yeah, if I'm controlling a patch that behaves recursively then there's a vague quantum where I can only use my ears to determine exactly what's going on process-wise because I couldn't possibly see and process the numbers in realtime. Any sort of perceptive reaction on my part is going to play a part in the way that we react to the system, or the way we react as part of the system, but, like any quantum value as soon as you kind of ascertain what it is it changes. The problem with it is that it crumbles as soon as you discuss it. I mean, all music is generative. Okay, any music. There's no.. as long as there's a rule and there's a determination in terms of process and you've got an algorithm. Any music can be broken down like that. I mean, it's really easy, the algorithm just becomes more complex in certain cases and simple in others. It might not have anything to do with how the music sounds, either. It might not be exactly di |
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"AR - What I mean is, is the instrument a third member of the group... SB - No not at all. It just facilitates. It's just tools. AR - Seems chaotic, like you're on the edge of losing control.. SB - The software is available, so as far as we're concerned we have to consider its use, and so we apply it where it is necessary, where it seems applicable. I mean, you know, they are tools, we're the people that are using them, there's a definite distinction got to be made -- you can't start treating software like it's got a personality or taste, you know? Taste is what defines people, it's what makes us different to software -- we're not software, you can't possibly consider a bit of software to be like a person. It's not "2001" -- I mean, it is, but it's not. We're not talking about fucking HAL, we're talking about a few bits of number crunching objects that don't really do a great deal until you feed them numbers and tell what to come out with. It's like any generative processes are so-called lifelike algorithms, it's like cellular automatons supposedly replicating life-type behavior, it's fucking rubbish. They don't do anything of the sort, but they make really nice patterns. But I wouldn't imbue them with intelligence, just because there is intelligence behind their creation. It's like saying pyramids are clever. It's silly, really. Yeah, I'm well into like messing with algorithms, 'cause I like the way things can interfere with each other, but... and I really like the exactitude of control you can get and the amount of math you can have within your system, or amount of system within the system, you know. I don't think any different now, to the way I felt when I was plugging a 202 into a delay unit that reads the square wave and generates a delay at that pitch and then changing the square wave width so that the delay unit gets confused. I don't feel any different now to the way I felt then, it's just the same, I mean, the fact that we're using computers to do it n |
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i agree that they're over-rated, but i do like them. they just aren't as super amazingly fantastic as some people believe |
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w00t! it's my little rabbit with it helmet of dark matter! today he ate my mouse cable, the little fuckwit, i had to repair an usb-cable which was not easy. currently he tries to dig a hole into the floor cause he wants to get out of the room. |
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"..I mean, the fact that we're using computers to do it now, just makes it different set of criteria, different quanta." |
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i think autechre aren't overrated. but i agree with confield. it is heavy overrated. for me, icbyd is heavy overrated. listened to it often, but i don't really like it. |
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i would say aphex is overrated before i would say autechre are. |
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I don`t believe they are overrated...and I don`t believe that both Tri repetae and confield are overrated...I just love them so much *-* qrter I'm curious, do you have some more stuff on generative music? |
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I'll just make my music on gut-feeling instead of applying math to it( especially since I suck at math). :( |
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qrter: THANK YOU! "The RIGHT people will get it." - Joel Hodgson, creator of "Mystery Science Theater 3000" and understands closely-knit fanbases. :) -> Ae |
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i must say that i partly agree, but only on aes newer stuff. |
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idea: just go ahead and listen to whatever you feel like. |
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I agree. I think they suck. |
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idea: just go ahead and listen to whatever you feel like. Ha! A music MB is not fun if we don`t bitch about each others musical tastes! |
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they're not overrated imo, tho im not that bigga fan but they have nice ideas, good production, pretty diverse music only thing that doesnt do for me is their sound |
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i think autechre are over-ratted. they really need to get the exterminators in before it becomes a problem. |
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Why would they be overrated? Is their music not good enough..? do you know (perhaps yourself) people who can do it better? i don't.. i don't find GG anoying at all.. often i just sit in my nice chair an play GG or CapIV real loud, i seriously enjoy it.. imo they're not overrated, 'cause they're original and have a very own style, and you either like it... ...or love it :))) i guess we could discuss on this forever, it's all opinions opinions... and i love æ ! |
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confield is terrible and gantz graf is only good cause you get too look at the pretty video |
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earthleakage, maybe i was the only one to get that. ;) |
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Id disagree. Ae's music has been always been cutting edge, changing and adapting so much over the years, from their early, more organic/ambient sounds to the more experimental, chaotic sounds of late, and though it's hard for some to understand the direction they've been heading, it's really a logical transgresion. They're newer stuff is some of the most mind ingaging music I've ever heard. It really requires several listenes, still now everytime I listen to Confield or Chiastic Slide I can here things I've never noticed. Though it may seem chaotic, you've got to see the individual elements of these tracks, and then an underlying structure can usually be found, and only then can the music really be appreciated for what it is imo. |
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They're (?) newer stuff Their ;) |
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i know what you mean corngrower, about still noticing new things on those albums.. imo it doesn't get boring because of that.. think they are aware of that themselves.. see these (esp. left one) :D |
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definetly, but it makes sence why so many people find it so inaccesable. It really takes some effort to understand or get into, but if you do youll have yourself something for your brain to fiest on for ages. |
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what is that website? |
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dont know i searched with google on autechre pics once and came at that site.. don't know what it's about.. liked the pics though.. |
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i cant believe how people make some arguments. this is overrated. why? because people like it and i dont what kind of an argument is that? it's just not an argument at all. it's not because people like things that you dont that make it overrated. someone's subjective point of view cant be a criteria for deciding what is overrated imo. |
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aphex is overrate autechre are geniuses the best of idm ERETIC! BURN IN HELL!! |
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