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online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-26 13:35 [#02612280]
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in 4 hours from now,
we will have a new chancellor in germany.
cant wait to see the first results.

will we be able to deselect covid out of the world,
by cancelling all measurements?
will our pensions be chocolate coins,
or will they melt in global warming?
will there be fairtrade cocoa and sugar in it?
will we exit the nato and found a new coalition of power?
and will it be called the naughto?



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2021-09-26 15:02 [#02612281]
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To quote graffiti I saw in my youth, whoever you vote for
the government still gets in.


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-26 16:03 [#02612283]
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or the lobby always does.
well however even small change is due and welcome
i have my fingers crossed and cant wait another hour


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2021-09-26 16:36 [#02612285]
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As we are on the subject of Germany, can you tell me, is
Heinrich Schliemann well known there?


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-26 19:12 [#02612298]
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ill have to google that name,
but im not well with potentially well known names


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-26 19:19 [#02612299]
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so the result is kind of a draw and no change is in sight,
as usual, despite the fact that the votes have been split
into as many as 6 parties with participation in parliament,
5 of which a coalition could be built of.
but since neither right nor left, liberal not social, green
nor anti-green have a valiable impact nothing is going to
happen.
the count is not final yet. especially postal votes have not
been taken into account properly, but i doubt it will make a
significant change as to the coalition building. which is a
shame because according to the surveys, there was hope
indeed.


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-26 19:21 [#02612300]
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ok so now i know who he was, why do you ask?
did you study archeology or troy?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2021-09-26 19:25 [#02612301]
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I'm reading this interesting book, which centres
on the archaeological discoveries of him and Sir Arthur
Evans; as a child he fell in love with Homer (not Simpson)
and determined to become rich simply to be able to prove
historicity of Homeric legends. I wondered if he might be
famous within Germany still.


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-27 07:42 [#02612308]
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well as far as im concerned hes not that well known in the
public.
recently there have been novels about humboldt and other
discoverers that helped map the world etc. which have also
turned into movies aswell, but i dont think schliemann is
considered up in that league.

it sounds quite a discovery though to prove those antique
kings and heroes actually lived.


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-27 07:58 [#02612310]
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back on topic,
its kind of a draw in the election,
neither of the big parties could build a governing coalition
with their preferred like minded minor parties. it all
depends on what the minor neo-liberal party FDP agrees on,
which is quite difficult. the centred social economics SPD
won 25,7% to 24,1% against the centred conservative CDU/CSU
UNION. Now the hope for many (sane) people was that a slight
change in taxes would enable the government to fight climate
change aswell as give social justice and fight poverty, with
a coalition of the SPD with the smaller socialist LINKE
(4,9%) and the strong green party (14,8%) but with the tax
model of the FDP instead of the one from the left, nothing
like that could be financed unless you cut health & social
or go in debt.
Apart from a big coalition of the two major parties which
was not favoured by anyone (ANYONE) (EVER AGAIN) there is no
way to govern without those neo-liberal mfers. and thats a
shame because it was so damn close. surveys even saw a green
chancellor at times not long ago.


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-27 08:01 [#02612311]
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oh yeah and 10% voted for the nazi party because they deny
climate change and promise corona will be over if we stop
protecting ourselves.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2021-09-27 12:20 [#02612320]
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Yeah, the guy correctly determined the location of Troy and
acted upon that determination and actually found it, and
that was only the beginning.

Back to the election, are the Christian Democrats a more
centrist version of the Social Democrats or are they quite
different? Also, I thought all Nazi symbology (and therefore
any Nazi Party) were banned in Germany?


 

offline mermaidman on 2021-09-27 13:45 [#02612322]
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what does it have to do with nazi symbology? they share
similar far right ideology as the nazi party but they can't
call themselves a nazi party


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-27 16:25 [#02612323]
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nailed it
luckily so far no party was willing to let them into their
coalition


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2021-09-27 16:42 [#02612324]
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When you said the nazi party won 10% of the vote in the
German election I thought you meant the nazi party won 10%
of the vote in the German election, I don't know what I was
thinking.


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-27 16:47 [#02612325]
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the SPD used to be quite different to the CDU/CSU (UNION).
But over time both parties centered to appease the voter,
which kind of resulted in them being frowned upon by
everyone, who take politics halfway seriously. why they
became so indistinguishable has many reasons and i uess no
one can pin it on a certain event. now the two big parties
not only need one coalition partner but maybe two, since
smaller parties took their share off their voters to the
left or right. i kind of like that development cause there
is a more precise way to vote now; but the risk of losing
your voice completely because your party is to small to make
it into the bundestag (parliament) has also grown with this.
sadly though there is no coherent majority this time to
successfully lead one direction and it was so close to
getting it right this time. anyway the parties will now have
to agree on specific details in their coalition treaty and
try to get along as best as they can when more current
topics appear during the legislation period. to me this is a
big improvement over the big coalition of UNION and SPD
which equaled grinding to a complete stillstand and it is
better than the right/centered neoliberal regency of merkels
UNION after all.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2021-09-30 23:51 [#02612363]
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whos the new chancelor


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-10-01 08:14 [#02612365]
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Olaf Scholz (SPD) of the social democrats has the most
votes, so he is most likely to become the new chancelor, but
the parties still argue on the details of their cooperation.
This may take a few weeks or even result in new elections.
Since the preferred coalition partners (LEFT & Green) are
just a few seats short of giving the SPD an absolute
majority to vote over the opposition in parliament, the
parties have to agree on what terms they will be willing to
form a government.
Possible coalitions are:
SPD, Green, FDP (but maybe FDP doesnt agree)
CDU, SPD (a big coalition neither parties nor voters want)
CDU, Green, FDP (which the green would like to avoid)
we still have time to wait out the final count in a couple
of weeks time, which wont make a change i guess.


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-10-01 08:22 [#02612366]
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in any way, the voters have made clear they dont want Armin
Laschet, CDU´s candidate, for chancellor. his party has the
biggest losses in history and most people utter their
dislike for him. even CDU voters say they dont like him but
still voted for the party. he clearly lost this election.
im looking forward to getting rid of him as minister of the
department North Rhine Westfalia i live in, he wont get
re-elected here, im sure :)


 


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