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so KEN, your saying being "pro paedophillia or gang rape" is the same as I or FLEX saying "fuck them hoes" or " they are sluts"??? That is SO fucking ridiculous...Not even close my friend, you have got alot to think about if YOU can make that comparison. The subjects you mentioned are VERY serious topics that affect BOTH sexes in MANY ways in the world. I would never joke about those subjects let alone make a comment about them, I dont know about them at all. Your making statements that are ridiculous and especially the ones calling me out....You just dont know what your talking about. |
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Meho: don't you think that it must be seen in its context. What we're talking about is related to violence against women - rape etc. |
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Ken: I'll repeat: An opinion is an opinion. My opinion is no more valid than someones just because their is pro-paedophilia or something like that (that we, and by this I mean me and you, consider inacceptible in our society). I never pass moral judgements and think that they serve mostly to keep the society going. As this MB is not going to affect society (not on a significant level, anyway), I don't think any beanning or so would be necessary. And anyway I always think that shooting a paedophille that I consider danger for my community is more frutiful than trying to persuade them to reconsider their opinion. I respect their opinion as their attributed right, so my action would be purely pragmatic. |
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Christ! Iron Lung and Reflex will never understand what we're talking about. Life must be easy when everything is as given - no questioning of the status quo, no critical thinking. Ignorance is bliss and other cliches. |
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Violence against women is bad as well as violence against men I think. Seeing women as objects is not the same as seeing women as property and that's where the violence stems from, jonesy. |
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All views are equally vaild? So the views and aims of the Nazis were just as valid as the Jews in the ghettos of Eastern Europe? Or the views of a Holocaust survivor are equal in validity to a Nazi who denys the Holocaust ever happened? |
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Man this is like spitting back at the rain....I am done...I dont wanna argue with any of you guys.... Just stating my opinion....To each his own. |
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ironlung you are way off the mark-my point if you would care to reread my remarks was that certain comments do not have a place on this mb. like yours, so where should the line be drawn? if your comments are acceptable whats to stop someone posting about paedophillia, gang rape, snuff murders et all?-the lines are incredibly thin my friend. oh and one more thing-if you would care to reread my comments once more-i was certainly not joking about those two examples. |
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If ignorance is bliss why isn't England utopia? |
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A culture that portrays women as sexual objects gives the rapist little to contemplate before he rapes. His actions are sanctioned. |
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Good point Quernstone. |
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ok KEN, your right. I am wrong. This topic got WAY outta hand and went in too many WAY OFF directions. I am done...I cannot and DO NOT wanna argue. |
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Jonesy: a culture that prtraits people as property is more how i see it. And, yes, all opinions are equally valid to me. There is no absolute truth unless you believe in god (and I don't think you do) and I base my actions on pragmatical reasons, not on ideologies. |
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You postmodernists baffle me. |
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Although I am not involve in the discourse I am enjoying what you guys have to say. Keep it up. I often contemplate these things to myself. |
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NOT ARGUEING WITH YOU IRONLUNG-ONCE MORE MY POINT IS THIS-YOUR'S AND REFLEXS INITIAL COMMENT DO NOT BELONG IN MY OPINION ON THIS MB. |
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what, jonesy, you agree or not? |
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it has been noted for my future ref. before I post an opinion. No way was I out to offend ANYONE or be OFFENSIVE. |
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SO MEHO, DO YOU NOT THINK THAT RESPECT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO ANT WOMEN WHO WANDERS INTO THIS DISCUSSION ON THIS MB FOR THE SAKE OF OPINIONS? ILL SAY IT ONCE MORE-THERE ARE PLACES FOR SHIT LIKE THAT. AND IRONLUNGS AND REFLEXS OPINIONS MAY BE OPINIONS BUT THEY BREED HATRED-THATS WHAT IM AGAISNT AND THAT IS WHY I HAVE LOST RESPECT. IF THATS WHAT THIS COMMUNITY GETS TO IN THE LONG RUN THEN I SHALL BE PLEASED YET SAD TO NO LONGER BE A PART OF IT. |
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No I don't mate. There is not absolute truth but there are truths. If there are no truths then how are supposed to interpret the world around you? I hope this argument hasn't frayed relations. |
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and further more im not argueing with anyone. jeez im exhausted now. im off to buy the global goon album.. byyyeee!! |
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I know Ironlung is a nice guy who was just using this male talk that we all use when talking to guys. For me it's more a game. I don't disrespect women by using that and I'm careful to let them know this. |
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*pmp* |
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I'm off to get more milkshake. See you later. |
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I have lost NO respect for anyone...In fact I respect KEN even more...I love hearing all of your guys opinions.... Just one thing, I do NOT like being labled something I am NOT. Enjoy Global Goon KEN....it is DOPE....=) |
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Ken: I will give respect to anybody, incl. women on this board just out of courtesy (a pragmatic choice: I want to be able to discuss things with anybody and that includes reflex (whose opinions i don't like from time to time) and Ironlung). But not just because they're women or something, it's a pragmatic reason, just as it is that I don't automatically punch anyone in the street whose face i don't like. Respecting someone just for being a woman is as ridiculous as putting them down for being a woman. Discrimination anyway. And what's with those caps? Are you mad? And jonesy: my truth and your truth can be agreed upon if we need to run our society |
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How can you reconcile the different truths of say the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and the Israeli military? You've got to pick sides in this world. |
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thankyou ironlung. soz i didnt mean to offend anyone either. ;> |
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jonesy: I pick my own side. That's the most honest answer I can give. |
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Do you not think shared experience constitutes a truth? |
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If i ever meet any/all of ya in the real word, Ill be sure to be the FIRST to buy ALL of you guys a drink...=) |
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Mine's a Guiness mate. You? |
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I am beginning to think I am a sex addict. those who dance and strip... thats hard man... but it is a way the have of earning some money to live...so we must respect their job as any other... besides it must not be very pleasant for them to dance in a sexy way in front of strangers who think they are only a piece of meat.... and they are not. |
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anyway, a good discussion. i ended up buying the venetian snatres songs about my cat instead of the global goon album!!! smart!!! oh i used the caps thing cuz they were stuck on and i couldnt be arsed to take em off!!! |
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I totally agree! It's like Freek shows. People thought it was right to close them all down but now the "freeks" cant get jobs so they're out of money. They enjoyed staring in the shows but people shut them because they thought it was degrading the them. The do-gooders did wrong and I think the same could happen to strippers. It's their job. and the work hard for it. |
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nacmat you're a bit late to join this but are welcome anyway. jonesy: shared experience? how do you know what my experience of certain thing is and how it relates to yours? no truth unless we AGREE and that's the bitch: truth is a matter of belief. And Iron: I think everybody here would want to buy you a drink, too. Cheers. Oh, and I'm leaving for a meeting in 2 minutes, so see you all. Love ya. |
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Thanks man,Have a good day Meho..... KEN....How come no Global Goon? Well maybe next time...Snares is mad wicked also=) |
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People with physical deformities should never have been used as entertainment. I think what your saying is the stupidest thing I've heard all year. |
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ive been after some snares for a while, and i just came across it!!! |
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If you research it... its the "freeks" that set up the shows in the first place. That is the only way they can make money. since they've been closed no one will employ them. it's very sad. |
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you will definately have to get GG next time...Vatican Nitez is sooo dope.... |
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agreed-and besides it just reinforces ignorant views-people with deformaties and learning disabilities are seen as sub standard to the 'norm'. whether its good for those in the show isnt really the point-the consequences stretch further into peoples views of another section of society-imagine having a museam full of black people that people paid to see-assuming all the people got paid well and were happy, its hardly the point is it?? |
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yeah-its yet another cd i need to pick up iron ;> |
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So a section of society can't get jobs? Well send them to degrade themselves as a spectacle for the public. Haven't you seen the Elephant Man by Lynch? |
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the society has the right to help those that IT put on the bench me think that's all, so if freeks can't have a job in our society it's our faults! |
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Did I say send? We're denying people of a choice, not sending them places they dont want to go. Read their web sites. |
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I'm disappointed that no-one has yet mentioned the most important factor: RIBOFLAVIN. there, that's better now. |
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If no one will give you a job because they are prejudiced are you left with choices? |
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LOL. That's in everything! Jonesy: Do you think Im a bad peson for my oppinion on deformaties of old? I dont think I've seen the Elephantman but I've seen documentries. What dya think? I just feel sad that most are unhappy now that the shows have been closed. |
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