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vveerrgg
from life (Canada) on 2006-12-20 14:28 [#02019711]
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it might not seem as impressive now.... but when Joy Division came out... they were like nothing that was out there at the time.
And although now there are bands who can and have done the JD sound and are even better at it... you have to appreciate where music was at the time when JD came out.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-12-20 14:36 [#02019715]
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And although now there are bands who can and have done the JD sound and are even better at it... you have to appreciate where music was at the time when JD came out.
I don't think anyone improved on the Joy Division aesthetic. People too elements of it and incorporated them into other styles to nice effect, but who took Joy Division's sound to the next level?
(other than Interpol, lolz)
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vveerrgg
from life (Canada) on 2006-12-20 14:46 [#02019723]
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yup thats a good point... not much i've heard with that same raw feel... close and different but with the same drug filled haze. but I liked about Joy Division is just how honest it was/is.
There are lots of bands and groups who's managers say "do this sound, or make a song about this...." and they do. I always felt like the lyrics and feel of JD was just so honest and so true... it's almost painful to think about the stories behind those songs.
No band/label/manager would suggest to a band today to follow the same route... they would be afraid of the consequences of it.. or the anti-media friendly-ness of it.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-20 14:49 [#02019726]
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Only 3 or 4 good songs..., and what would they be, in your opinion, out of all the Joy Division output I'm sure you diligently sat through?
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-20 15:13 [#02019734]
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I find this thread so irritating, I'm boycotting XLT.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-12-20 15:23 [#02019745]
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Joy Division takes more than one casual listen to take in, at least it did for me.
then it opens up.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2006-12-20 15:44 [#02019750]
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I cant let that happen. I just got back
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1up
from greater manchester (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-20 15:49 [#02019754]
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a staple band in any good record collecters collection.
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-20 16:10 [#02019765]
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Instant gratification is not always good in an album.
Just because you don't like it after listening to a 30 second snippet, don't right it off.
Come back to it at a later date.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-20 16:25 [#02019771]
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Well I'll be... *makes an incredulous wtf/lol type face, shrugs... then heads back to bar removing cap and shaking head, possibly wiping brow too*
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rad smiles
on 2006-12-20 17:34 [#02019808]
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yeah god knows it took me 5400003298939 listens before i liked 3 out of 4 of the songs i actually like by them. disorder is an instant classic though. that song is great. too bad thats the only good song on unknown pleasures. i guess they figured on that being the case and put it as the album opener.
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rad smiles
on 2006-12-20 17:35 [#02019809]
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closer is one of the worst albums ever made though, save for some of the guitar playing. the guitars arent half bad. everything else on that album is nauseating.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-20 17:45 [#02019813]
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Let's just agree to disagree before I go over there and fucking punch you.
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rad smiles
on 2006-12-20 17:50 [#02019819]
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i agree with the guy who started this.
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rad smiles
on 2006-12-20 17:51 [#02019821]
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what about Chairs Missing by Wire or Metal box by Pil?
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-20 17:53 [#02019822]
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I agree you both clearly don't know what you're talking about and it's no coincidence that you're both American nancies bitter about having shit bands like "She wants revenge" who so wish they were Joy Division they'd suck even yours.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-20 17:54 [#02019823]
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Oh it's a competition now, which is the ONLY post punk band worthy of the name, we'll do a poll.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2006-12-20 17:57 [#02019827]
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joy division suck, i really dont like it because the beats are boring.
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rad smiles
on 2006-12-20 17:58 [#02019828]
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hey man if it makes you feel better thinking that, go ahead.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-12-20 18:30 [#02019840]
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what, the beats?
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2006-12-20 18:33 [#02019845]
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what? what the beat?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-12-20 18:36 [#02019848]
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You just don't 'get it'.
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rad smiles
on 2006-12-20 19:49 [#02019885]
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goddamn thats funny.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-12-20 19:54 [#02019887]
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thanks mate!
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-12-20 20:14 [#02019890]
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I had the same initial reaction to JD, but I eventually grew to love their music. Rent 24 hour party people.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-12-20 20:17 [#02019891]
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The FAll are another band in this vein, but they had hard rhythms and short stabbing vocals. A sound that hasn't been explored enough.
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scup_bucket
from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2006-12-20 20:21 [#02019893]
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I liked joy division instantly...wtf lol
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shutbug
from Near NYC (United States) on 2006-12-20 20:47 [#02019905]
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I love Joy Division, but yes if you listen to the music it shouldn't surprise you the lead singer killed himself.
The funny thing is, it works opposite for me, when I'm down and II listen to Joy Division I will perk up. I guess it has to do with the fact that there is somebody out there that's more down as myself, so what I am depressed about.
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shutbug
from Near NYC (United States) on 2006-12-20 20:51 [#02019908]
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I forgot to mention I was quiet surprised to see Joy Division on a board. It's not a very well known band for most people. God I love them, gotta find the albums tomorrow.
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scup_bucket
from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2006-12-20 21:03 [#02019911]
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lol?
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LuminousAphid
from home (United States) on 2006-12-20 21:25 [#02019913]
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SUCCESS!!!
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-20 21:27 [#02019914]
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yes, i'm very confused by that statement as well.
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LuminousAphid
from home (United States) on 2006-12-20 21:36 [#02019915]
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i was trying not to go here and insult you personally like you've been doing to everyone else who doesn't agree with you, but you're getting pretty fucking ridiculous now. i can understand defending your taste in music (which i didn't ask you to in the first place, but you seem to be taking this personally anyway), but when you generalize about an entire country's musical taste it shows how ludicrous your argument is.
here's a suggestion: get off the internet and get on with it. i can honestly say i haven't seen someone so sad as you've acted in this thread for a long while.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-12-20 21:37 [#02019916]
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one of the oink invite people.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-12-20 21:38 [#02019917]
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shutbug, you are depressed about not having an oink invite. So, what are you waiting for?
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mimi
on 2006-12-20 22:04 [#02019918]
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I have just become joy division's biggest fan
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-12-20 22:09 [#02019919]
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Why's that?
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mimi
on 2006-12-20 22:10 [#02019920]
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i got a brilliant recommendation
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-12-20 22:13 [#02019921]
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Yeah, American and nancy are the two last words I can think should go together let alone having it come from a Brit living in Chile.
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-12-20 22:17 [#02019922]
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Oh, I thought you were one of those that like stuff merely because someone you dislike hates it.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-12-20 22:36 [#02019925]
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Yes. Well it will won't be hearing the same thing.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-12-20 23:19 [#02019930]
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this thread is quite confusing. i like them, i like few songs a lot. but then i was at a new order gig where they performed some joy divison songs and seeing all those 15 year olds getting tears in their eyes put me off of it somewhat. i'll get over it eventually though.
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mimi
on 2006-12-20 23:38 [#02019935]
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you got somethin against 15 year olds, man?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-12-20 23:41 [#02019937]
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not really, it's just that world would be a much nicer place if they weren't around..
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My_Aphex_Twin
from Stockport (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-20 23:48 [#02019938]
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LuminousAphid, Go out and buy 'Substance' It'll make your wildest dreams come true - honest.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-21 02:50 [#02019951]
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If you think they sound crap, give them a small listen now and again and you'll soon love them. That's what happened here.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-21 04:24 [#02019975]
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I just pointed out that you two in this thread, who are the most vociferous and dismissive of undeniably one of the greatest bands in the world, both happen to be Americans, perhaps culturally you don't get a band from the industrial north of England like I don't really get all the soppy sentimental fucking country and western music. Yet I'm hardly talking about ALL America, you egotistical stain.
Mind you, Ian Curtis killed himself just as they were about to embark on a US tour. You can kind of see his point.
As to someone beign sad, you set the fucking standard with "I downloaded three songs, this is shit." It beggars belief. I read the first couple of pages of Joyce... BORING!!!! LOL
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1up
from greater manchester (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-21 04:59 [#02019993]
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an idea (as previously suggested), and perhaps the easiest way to understand joy division may be to rent '24 hour party people'.
when i was at uni 'dahn sarth', we watched this and everyone fell in love with joy division. even the southern pansies.
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shutbug
from Near NYC (United States) on 2006-12-21 05:10 [#02019995]
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What a lovely crowd here LOL, enough to start listing to JD.
@bogala: I'm not depressed at all, but clearly you seem to have a problem with connecting to new comers who stumble upon this site in search of something. Your comments should be enough to drive the majority away but then they aren't interested in the purpose of this boards. If the moderator has a problem with certain threads he should delete the thread.
Walk in silence.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-12-21 05:43 [#02020012]
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shitloads of americans like joy division. Ian's voice can be odd on first listen. Like your cd player is dying. Give it time
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