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oh, and the illusions.. where do they come from? why do you have an illusion of a choice instead of a choice? you'd have to know your feeling of choice isn't a choice to be able to know that it is an illusion, but have you ever experienced this somehow, that there really isn't a choice? Of course there's a choice. The self makes the choice. But the choice isn't freely made. As I have said if some endo-self was isolated in a vacuum making pure, uninfluenced choices then the choices would be meaningless and the self incoherent. To reiterate, the choice is the sum of inner and outer vectors of influence, and that's why the choice has meaning and applies to the situation. That's why you're you and made that choice. |
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yes, I've already said we have reasons to act as we act, but I must still insist that reasons aren't determining, they are merely reasons. as proven by looking at for instance christians, not even an overwhelming amount of reasons for doing something (or not doing something, depending on what you're talking about) has any sort of force about them in the face of human will. as for Spinoza, I'll just say that Sartre seems more right to me though I haven't read spinoza (nor do I find it likely that I ever will) and then we can let them fight. it isn't necessarily about changing your course of action, it is about knowing and admitting that you are free to choose the action you choose, and that you are ultimately the cause of your actions; you have weighed reasons for and reasons against and you have decided on what course of action to take depending on your view of the situation. Even in some situations where you feel you have no choice, like if a man is holding your child hostage and is telling you to kill someone, you're free to choose your course of action, you just let one of the reasons (either for or against) weigh more heavily than another reason. And, ok, you feel free, but don't you believe you're deceiving yourself then? no, wait.. you can't. because you can't choose not to feel free because you're determined to. and if you do, you're determined to again. |
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you're still missing the target with that. I'm not saying your choices can't be influenced, they just aren't absolutely determined and an influence doesn't amount to more than a "reason for" (or "reason against") and not even the most overwhelming amount of reasons can compel you to act in one way rather than the other. |
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for a minute there I thought this was a thread about The Cut |
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It's like the philosophy version of Alien vs Predator |
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boy, were you wrong! |
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Gentlemen, I have to make a pizza. I will return to this thread later, like a dog returning to its vomit. |
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Ahh, I really like your show, I think Fleet's my favourite DJ of all time. And it's not just the "lush" voice and "fucked up" selections. It's something purely sexual. |
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It was a very nice cut, props! |
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impakt, are you from bangkok? |
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Thank you, gentlemen. *wiggles hips for db* impakt, are you from Bangkok? Drunken Mastah: Sartre is a plague bearer, not a philosopher. |
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on the contrary dear sir any form of determinism is the plaguebearer. Most existentialist thinkers are the cure. |
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Well, I'm sure you have your reasons. :-) |
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haha, yes, actually no compelling ones, but good ones. |
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I should probably note that you did a good cut, btw, but it'd be better if it had some kind of special theme like the voices one.. but you gave your explanation in the cut, so.. yeah, I enjoyed it. |
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