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More to the point, they overreacted partly due to conditioning. I did hear how that guy was acting. He started screaming at them before he was tazered the first time. People like that are unpredictable and possibly violent. They are in the heat of the moment and could have seen him as a serious threat. The aggression of the crowd could have made it worse. The cops reacted poorly. Say some guy is screaming at you, and you have no recourse in withdrawing. How would you have reacted? |
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calm him down and don't rise to his verbal challenge. if what the police report says is true - that they'd asked him to leave and he was refusing - then he was really acting out of line, shouting at them, etc. if it were me, found without an id card, i'd have had no problem with leaving immediately, or taking the officers to wherever i'd left my card. however, i've got my doubts that that's how it happened. it wouldn't at all surprise me if it were the case that he was actually making his way to the exit when the pseudopolice arrived and started demanding his card. |
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Fair enough. I got to stop getting worked up over shit like that. |
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Disturbing. I'm pretty sure, that had i been there, i would have done nothing. I'm a complete sissy when it comes to stuff like that. The police are fucked up in this situation, but i do believe the student could have handled the situation more smoothly. No need for the whole patriot act thing. When one of the officers tell him to get up, he replies "fuck you". |
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Carl, at least he gives a shit and shows some passion, unlike someone else here who spends 90% of their posts bemoaning their pointless existence |
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I'd stop being so hard on yourself. Your really not that bad. |
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I'm telling you this is the thin end of the wedge. There's no such thing as freedom. Freedom in the western world is becoming a carefully-controlled illusion. |
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Psychological screening of police officers should prevent this kind of situation. If they get frustrated by their jobs, can't handle it mentally and consequently abuse their powers seemingly at random, then they should at least be fired if not prosecuted and receive some kind of psychological help. Especially if they are traumatised (if you will) by their conditioned state. I'm sure my boss would fire me if I acted out my frustrations about the odd nasty client every now and then onto other clients in a inappropriate manner. The thing is, these people probably think they did a good job. I hope these guys are screened and given feedback. Let the Idols jury decide, if it'd do any good. |
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tee-hee |
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I've always wondered about the psychological reasoning behind that "repeated order" tactic cops seem to be using.. you see it everywhere, they just keep repeating the same words in the same tone over and over again stand up stand up stand up stand up it's like lil' jon crunk track they also do it with sir put your weapon down put your weapon down put your weapon down sir put your weapon down Could it just be that repeated warnings "legitimise" use of force? Or has some clever psychologist figured out that when you repeat stuff like that, even people who aren't under your command will take it as orders? In that case, I think his thesis is long since outdated. also, redrum, are you proud that your fellow students would've beaten the cops? of course I won't say for sure, but I doubt that'd ever happen here and I find it far more likely that people would either just stand around watching, asking for details like there (which really is the most sensible response) or they'd get in between, protecting the guy, but not attacking the cops. |
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get in between? Cops call that an attack, dude. |
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The lil john refference made me LOL. Somebody should remix the clip over "snap yo fingers" |
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yeah, but I don't really care what they call it. I'd feel awful if I'd just stood there, and I'd feel awful if I'd punched them. I'd probably be in a bit of pain from the tazers, but I'd actually feel a bit more useful if I just walked in between and stood in front of that guy. Of course, I wouldn't have gotten as far, they'd have tazed me on the way, but the only thing I'd allow myself to do in that situation is to try. Note also that I haven't been in that situation, exactly, but I know on a few earlier occasions I have stepped in when some of my friends have been just one bit too close to a punch in the face, but I didn't do anything but stand in between and talk to them. I find it's important to not touch people in those cases, as they see it as a provocation for some reason, so I hope I'd have the courage to do it facing the cops and tazers, but I wouldn't know until I had been there. |
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exactly. read the article - "As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close. Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number." That's the point at which it becomes evident that no amount of reasoning will defuse the situation or bring any sort of sanity to it. The guy needs to be stood up for, so, pick up a table, chair, brick, blunt instrument, and charge the fuckers. I don't at all condone violence, i absolutely abhorr (sp?) it.. It's one of the reasons i'm reluctant to get deeply involved in the anarchist movement. But in situations like this, where it's quite obvious that the guy has done nothing wrong, then it's time to "get vigilante on them." Having said that, it would paint a picture of the event in a completely different light, and more attention would be focused on the attack on the police. In America, I don't believe that would stand. Over here, I believe people would be willing to give an ear to those who did such a bold thing as attacking those wonderful protectors of the peace. |
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abhor. |
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a comprehensive reply if ever i saw one |
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surely you mean concise? |
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just wanted to say that i love the fact that over 250,000 people have now seen this video. it's the most discussed video on youtube today. this is good. the cops need to know that the world is watching. |
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apparently contemporary ideology of 'reasonable' people is that legality>morality. so then people like taxidermist justify this type of thing. saying "yay tame the rebel!". fascism is back in another shape. it comes with the disguise of legality and order. and this type of ting is happening around the world. there's new ideologies in play, propaganda is spread in different ways. the idea is to get people polarized, so some see, on one side there are the lazy, the rebel and the violent on the other side are the reasonable, the peaceful who just want to live in order. this is the ideas that are spread. to wich end? who fucking knows? |
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i was being a sarky fucker |
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People need to Gandhi the fuck up. |
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do you think it's going to make a difference? seriously? it has good, dare i say it, shock value (sorry), so of course it's going to be watched and discussed. i doubt it's going to solve anything though. |
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in both videos (chaosmachine + cygnus) the suspects are black men |
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well there are many videos, i meant the first two, i didnt watched the others yet but if there is any black man on them, the previous pots applies to that too |
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When did I justify it? I added some counterpoint (which this messageboard is desparately in need of) and I explained that things are not as black and white as you might assume. People are so conditioned into their "authority bad" mindset, that they don't even think when it comes to situations like this video. They just automatically register "motherfuckers they should be shot". Their is no thought or indication of any kind of psychological development to these kind of responses, because all it does is indicate that you guys are just well conditioned. I said repeatedly that I don't agree with what the cops did, but I can also understand why they may have come to the actions that they did, and its not much different that what most people would have done given they were in the exact same situation. |
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poor racially profiled man. |
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ha i just used you |
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Shouting at the fucking screen for this one. It's really to bad the people didnt try to help the guy out. Sure 3 may have got tased, but I'm sure the 20 kids or so could have really done something instead of just watch. |
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If you resist arrest you're probably going to get the shit beat out of you or in this case, Tasered. Hearing this infantile college student cry reminded me of the punk I was at about his age. In particular, acting like a fool and disobeying the commands of a police officer got my arm pulled behind me and raised as high as it could go upward. In retrospect it could have been worse, what was dealt me. I was lucky I sort of knew the officer from previous run-ins. (One run-in he had a considerably younger partner with him who whispered in my ear that he would find something to charge me with since they couldn't prove that I or my friends at the time did what they were asking about. I went nuts and started yelling like a dumbass about what he had said so the older cop pulled the young one aside and had a talk with him. Of course my friends and I did what they thought we did.) But anyway, I deserved the treament I received. I was stupid, didn't follow orders and resisted arrest (feebly). I was young and stupid. It's hard even now to give cops the respect they deserve because, with as much objective self-analysis as possible, I figured that I feel that I'm being emasculated, castrated of my of my ability to be free or fight back with someone who's usually of greater strength and seemingly smug at the same time. And after I've "successfully" told-off a cop, I feel like shit. They're just trying to do their job the best they can and the last thing they need is to be lambasted. Not to say that there aren't villainous cops out there... The clip cygnus posted of the guy getting shot by the black police officer is the only horrendous clip in this thread that comes from the States (maybe I missed one) and it's being dealt with in court...and I'm tired of fucking Anglos pointing out racial injustice, shut-the-fuck-up already. As for the shit that goes down over seas, well, that's over seas and I'm never going to be there--not my problem. You sort it out. |
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As for the shit that goes down over seas, well, that's over seas and I'm never going to be there--not my problem. You sort it out. Ha! You're a caring one, aren't you? Haven't had the humanity driven out of you at all. "i'm never going to be there".... I can't even begin to describe how closed-minded and ignorant that is.. You are scum. |
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problem is, cops have guns. people would have died. :\ |
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thank god i live here, where the cops don't have guns, and people are for the most part perfectly civil to eachother. Oh but the US really is a great place, really. fantastic. |
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So, am I to sort it out then? Yeah, I'm not going to be over seas anytime soon, hopefully. I haven't got the time to give a shit about a bunch of assholes who cry foul when America intervenes then when it doesn't. I'm not closed minded, I just have my own life to care about at the moment. And you Sir are puerile, naive in your "raging-against-the-machine" idealism, and inexperienced. Not all a bad combination for such a young intelligent man, but get a grip over yourself before you get into some stupid trouble like the bulk of the folks in the clips in this thread. There'll be a crucial point in your life where you'll have to yield to something that may otherwise spell your demise. I hope you yield. Some of the people in these clips didn't and now some are dead. Or better yet, know when to fight and how to... --Scum |
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Yup, the US is great, or at least I find it to be. Obeying the law helps... |
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what do i carre |
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hahahahah |
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Its wrong to assume that when someone tries to think about both sides of the story and make a reasonable argument that they have lost all their humanity. Its not about being autonomous, its about using intelligent peacefull means to evoke change instead of throwing rocks at everything that doesn't appeal to you. Of course there is injustice, and of course your not going to like everything that happens around you. But generalizing and hating everything that doesn't fit into what you see society should be is only going to make you appear naive. |
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yeah, you already covered that. |
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What? You can't be the only one here regurgitating the same bullshit post after post. |
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wtf tazer him in order to make him stand up? It partly disables your fucking legs, how can he stand up how come this DOES only happen in america :/ |
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certainly doesnt happen here. but i bet it will soon, social tensions/divisions between age groups / classes / races etc. seem to be growing and that will cause the police to intervene more often and possibly give rise to more opportunities for police brutality [/speaking shit] |
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why in america? i wonder that all the time. |
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maybe don't resist a cop with a taser, and you won't get tasered. i've never tried to rally fellow students against a police officer. I also have never been tasered. I find it is an effective way to stop something like that happening. Cops have enough shit to deal with (at least in urban areas, I have no idea what the area around UCLA is like) without taking shit from self-riteous shit-fitting college kids. Plus, if they're campus police, they're probably so fed up with these spoiled brats they constantly have to deal with doing protests and whatnot- I can't stand 90% of people on campus for that exact reason. I say fuck em, they deserved to get tasered. Now, on with the bleeding hearts you go... |
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those blasted protesters! speaking out! wasting the police's time! the views voiced in this thread of those from the US are really quite telling. |
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LOL |
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Good post |
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As to the 'ACAB' sentiment here ("All Coppers Are Bastards"). Sorry, that's simply not true. There are lots of police I dislike, I hate these heads of divisions of policing that view themselves as politicians of sorts (who elected them?) and indeed, corrupt police are one of my pet hates. There are however, good police officers who do a great deal more good than harm and really do "serve society" rather than their own personal power trips. Oh and before someone starts banging on about my supposed conservatism and love of law and order, I'd like to say that this is coming from someone who has punched a copper in the face and (in an unrelated incident) had a police officer perjured himself against me in court. I just like to think that I can maintain my objectivity in spite of this. With regard to this clip. Yes, it's pretty shocking, but there are plenty of times when that kid is shouting abuse at the police (rather than saying, "Please, I want to get up, but I can't") and the police warn him several times, "get up or I'll tazer you again", but the kid just keeps on shouting at them. Looks like he wants to be a martyr and as Taxi says, we don't know the full story. For all we know he could have a warrant on him and a history of resisting arrest. The actions in unabomber's clip is pretty disgraceful, though. Anus Presley: Any more of that and it'll be a B7, I'm afraid. |
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"who elected them?" if the system is anything like here, you elect the politicians that elect the higher-ups in the police force. |
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kiss my butt |
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where does Cop a feel come from? |
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