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furoi
from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2006-10-09 11:53 [#01984585]
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their evolution
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-10-09 11:57 [#01984589]
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are you sure ? they're supported by China, and, maybe also secretly by Russia. gather all that.
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staz
on 2006-10-09 11:58 [#01984590]
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"supported".
held by the neck?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:07 [#01984638]
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I think whats scary really is the material getting into the hands of rogue groups. Unfashionable to say as people think everyone should have a nuke. I hate the idea of nukes and wish they would go away. I just know Im gowing to wake up someday and an entire city is going to be wasted.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-10-09 13:16 [#01984644]
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be glad you guys dont live in the U.S. right now, namely super-neocon-republican north Texas...
the main headline on CNN is:
"NORTH KOREA THREAT"
newspapers too. as if the nuclear holocaust starts tomorrow. everyone is freaking out. redrum is correct though. they now have their deterrent. i myself wish not another nuclear weapon, gun, sword, or knife was ever built ,but that's how life goes...it's that military muscular flex
nacmat: don't forget also that bush said he would authorize use of nuclear weapons if any regime used weapons of mass destruction against american forces in the middle east.
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retape
from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2006-10-09 13:47 [#01984671]
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<3
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-09 14:00 [#01984678]
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anybody fancy a pint.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-10-09 14:00 [#01984679]
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whatever, = they cooperate and are slightly against the "western world".
where's James Bond btw. oh wait. yeah, having fun with his b/f :(
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-10-09 14:00 [#01984680]
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:D!
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-10-09 14:02 [#01984681]
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is it cold and light and delivered by a famous pornstar ? then YES.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-09 14:02 [#01984682]
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Aengus you must come to manchester for the warehouse party. I OWE YOU BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-09 14:03 [#01984683]
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its cold and light,and i will serve you naked-does that work?
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-10-09 14:45 [#01984699]
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you naked ? i'd rather have a GIRL naked, no offence :$
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-09 15:01 [#01984713]
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ive got tits
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:49 [#01984805]
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OK. Here's how it goes:
----------------------------------------------------------- -The U.S. is not going to attack North Korea unless they attack first. Simply, there's nothing there that the United States wants.
----------------------------------------------------------- -Yes, the U.S. called NK a member of the axis of evil, but that doesn't really mean anything. If you cross reference 1.)when the U.S. labeled each member of the AOE, with 2.) the date that each country converted their international bartering currency from the United States dollar to the Euro, you'll see these two time frames are suspiciously close. Publicly calling out other countries or labeling them bastards, traitors, or pussies, probably wouldnt sit well with the international community. And, "Axis of Evil" is MUCH more poetic don't you think? Anyways, this terminology isn't always a green card for war, but it can be a pre-emptive anticipated insurance policy though. As we will see next...
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:49 [#01984808]
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----------------------------------------------------------- -With the exception of Iraq, pretty much every country the U.S. branded as a member of the "aoe" HAS ended up delving into illegal nuclear activity. Was it a case of self-fulfilling prophecy, instigation, or actual real concern on the part of the U.S.? It could be a little bit of each, but if you subscribe to the new and hip international mindset that everything the U.S. does is wrong, then it's probably a case that the U.S. somehow jinxed those AOE members and "made" them build nukes for some outlandish conspiratorial reason. Hmmm.. could be, but let's save that for X-files or our extracurricular activities on the internets.
On the other hand, if you look at the regional and national policies of those members of the AOE (Iraq excluded), and you use that as a litmus test thereby gauging their international policy, you'll see - 1.) they actually are kinda fucked up and 2.) don't give a shit about anyone, let alone themselves. The U.S. as super-power did have the means to foresee this and had to, at least for the sake of the global economy, address the potential of 2 new nuclear contested regions.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:50 [#01984809]
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Even at our greatest moment of doubt in regards to the United States' agenda, we can still look towards what's going on at the United Nations to determine how globally fucked a situation really is. What's going on in Iraq isn't really affecting global economy (yet). So the UN really isnt involved. The U.S. can go on and fuck themselves there if they really want to. But, what's going on in East Asia and the Middle East as a whole will fuck the global economy. For nations in those regions, it comes down to border disputes and extreme forms of totalitarian nationalism. For those countries outside these regions who are still invested in that area , it comes down to jockeying for positioning in trade for international resources. It is worth mentioning that the United States' failed policy in Iraq and Afghanistan sort of unintentionally lubricated this situation. It's also worth mentioning that Iraq is the only country that has been (or will be) preemptively attacked by the U.S. alone. Why? There's something there we want that directly affects our positioning for international resources.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:50 [#01984810]
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----------------------------------------------------------- -If the U.S. attacks Iran first, it will come via a U.N.-approved U.S.-led international coalition, similar to the first Gulf War. Why? 1.) There's nothing actually in Iran that the U.S. needs for international resource jockeying, and 2.) collectively disabling Iran could re-stabilize or insure the international economy. In the case of the first Gulf War, the international community realized Saddam's possession of Kuwait, and his potential of leverage over Saudi Arabia, could lead to disastrous consequences for the global economy.
In the case of Iran- it's not a good thing having nuclear "bookends" at odds, as they buttress up against both sides of the Middle Eastern peninsula. With Israel on one end and Iran on the other, everything in between could end up becoming glass factories. Enter in the disarray of Iraq, a growing brand of religious fundamentalism throughout the region that is DESPERATE for leadership, an enigmatic and delusional leader in Iran, and a moderately liberal government in Saudi Arabia that oversees the mantle piece of religious belief for the entire region, the worst case scenario could be dire:
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:51 [#01984811]
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The U.S. will eventually leave Iraq to it's own merits and Iran (with potential nukes in hand) could begin to (behind the scenes) oversee Iraq's "progress." They would geographically be one step closer to preemptively attacking Israel, all because they could. In the eyes of "the people," with the actual ability to eliminate the "Zionists," Iran/Persia could challenge the authority of the Saudi Govt on the handling the Holy Land. With a fortification of the trust and praise of all "the people" in the peninsula (mind you, many of whom are already brainwashed with fundamentalism), a monopoly of the will of the region could occur. This in turn would lead to a death-grip on the lifeblood of the international economy. Factor in Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's bedside manner with Hugo Chavez, further control of international resources will escalate, embroidered in a growing (and fashionable) distrust for the U.S. in third world south american countries, socialist deprived NK, and troubled middle eastern nations. If this happens, the global dynamic could seriously flip sides. Maybe it should, but why under antagonistic pretense? For the moment, it's worth using this space to address the inherent irony in the increasing levels of U.S. hatred amongst poor and impressionable nations. The cliche is so thick, that many can't see (or conveniently choose to ignore) what assistance they DO have is coming mostly from the pockets of U.S. taxpayers. Fundamentalist Islam in Indonesia? Sure. Unforeseen catastrophe in Indonesia? Sure. Largest contributer to their re-growth process? Hmmm... The problem is for each of these countries there are tensions at the national level, an inability to express one's distaste for the Govt (NK, Iran, etc), and a manipulative and enigmatic leader in charge - all rolled into the increasing and desperate NEED for a scape goat. Ah, never mind....
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:51 [#01984812]
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----------------------------------------------------------- Anyways, if a U.N.-approved U.S.-led international coalition doesn't attack first, the only thing that will happen is an increase in nationalism, religious fundamentalism, and daily low-level tensions at a continual rate. This will be a pressure cooker that will just serve as a nice buffer for Iran's transition into power in that region. Since it's inevitable, it becomes a matter of when the global economy can lose money (send nations to war) in order to save money (protect investments) for future generations.
Now if Iran becomes impatient and symbolically attacks Israel "right off the bat," rest assure the U.S. will participate alone in fighting Iran alongside Israel . Why? There's something there we want that directly affects our positioning for international resources. A pipe line to the Mediterranean Sea.
Meanwhile, China slyly scratches it's chin. -----------------------------------------------------------
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:52 [#01984813]
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----------------------------------------------------------- -Now if the U.S. attacks North Korea first, it will also come via a U.N.-approved U.S.-led international coalition, similar to the first Gulf War. Why? 1.) There's nothing actually in North Korea that the U.S. needs for international resource jockeying, and 2.) collectively disabling North Korea could re-stabilize or insure the international economy.
In the case of North Korea, they have acquired nuclear weapons to use as leverage as a means of alleviating international sanctions. Regardless of any difference of opinion about the quality of life in North Korea, Kim Jong-il has driven his country into the ground. Acquisition of nuclear weapons was a last resort in order to jockey for sustainability. Like Iran, the North Korean position is an extremity of will. Also like Iran, a campaign of misinformation has led the people of both nations to EXPECT an attack from the U.S. In a round-about and ironic twist of perspective, this is their own version of a a pre-emptive anticipated insurance policy. It seems everyone is throwing the "See, I told you so" card as a means of selling oneself and one's agenda.
The only way the United States will go it alone with North Korea, is if they attack the U.S. first. That would be a dumb move, but here's the problem - The U.S. retaliation will have to be more swift and more intense than seen in ANY war in the history of this planet. Rest assured, it WILL come in the form of a nuclear attack. Aside from the problem of North Korea being allies with China (remember they were already slyly scratching their chins in the Middle East), North Korea is within IMMEDIATE range of South Korea and Tokyo.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:52 [#01984814]
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And here's where the global economy crisis comes in. This too will NOT be a matter of "if." It will be a matter of "when." Fuck Tokyo, out goes the second largest economy in the world and the largest manufacturer of consumer electronics. Fuck South Korea, and out goes the largest manufacturer of computer RAM and flat panel technology. Ergo, it will be a global crisis of pissed-off nerds, yuppies, and technophiles. That's not to mention a dissolution of the physical armature over which MOST governments and economies have been built in the last 30 years.
Again, you have a dangerous breed of nationalism and border contention. Every aspect of Japanese life for the past 60 years has been an internalization of the quick, intense, and supernatural ramification of nuclear attack. Rest assure, in the coming months and years, Japan will quickly adopt an Israel complex REAL fast. Meanwhile, this probably won't sit well with China, considering deep rooted tensions in Asia are intertwined into the cultural framework of all the nations at "play" here.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:53 [#01984815]
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----------------------------------------------------------- -Needless to say, besides the United States, China is the only country with something at stake in both of these regions. Is it coincidental that in the next 20 years, roadmaps outline Chinese progress and resource demands to exceed current U.S. levels ? At the moment, if all countries necessitated the same level of demands that the U.S. has, we would require FOUR planets to provide the adequate resources for "sustainability."
For the United States to continue its lifestyle into the future, it has to paralyze Chinese demands, and vice versa. Interestingly, it's U.S. who is indebted to China.
Yes, the U.S. leads in weaponry, but China leads in sheer volume and might. If the worst case scenarios come to fruition in both the Middle East and North Korea - An Iranian monopoly of will and North Korea's erratic destruction of Tokyo and Seoul - both China and the United States (and then the rest of the world to follow) will be thrown back to the Stone Age. The only difference is China has been "grooming" their citizens for self-sustainability for thousands years. The PRC are made to understand they are replaceable for the greater good of the country, whereas those of us in western society are simply attached to individualistic sense of desire and entitlement. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but recovery is going to be a bitch. It doesn't help that current Chinese diplomats are increasingly versed in Arabic.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:53 [#01984816]
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Considering this potential flip in global dynamics and the arrest on the life blood of global economics, China will most likely be the first out of the gates to be back on their feet, leaving the rest of us to decide whether we want to side with Militaristic Islamic Fundamentalism and extravagant prices for oil, or Nationalistic Communist Chinese Totalitarianism and extravagant prices for the export of goods.
So my friends, this isnt necessarily about the U.S. being the bad guy. This is about a real scenario, a twisted and well calculated and super-strategized plot for the jockeying of international resources between China and the United States (the public face for Capitalism). It's East v.s. West in the most literal sense of geography.
God damn, this makes for a great movie. -----------------------------------------------------------
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:54 [#01984817]
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----------------------------------------------------------- -So what's the solution? It be nice if the European Union would merge, but they have their own border issues to take care of. Anyways, the United States would change their name to Capitalist Union State West and the merged European Union would become Capitalist Union State East.
In the name of "progress," C.U.S.W. would colonize Japan and give South Korea to C.U.S.E. Together, the Capitalism Union States and their new colonies fork a shit load of money and time into renewable energy resources. We get back into cloning and stem cell research and build an army of clones and gigantic nuclear powered Mecha and take over North Korea.
Since there will no longer be a North Korea to speak about, there really isnt a need for a South per se. Anyways, South Korea becomes "The Korean Colony of Capitalist Union State East." Together, the Capitalist Union States uproot the Jews and gives Israel the former North Korean territory as it's new land.
Now the Middle East is all happy because Israel is gone, but they sure are gonna be pissed when they find out the aforementioned army of clones and Mechas built the sickest architecture and newest & flyest monuments in New Isreal (formerly known as North Korea). Talk about jealously!
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 17:54 [#01984818]
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So to appease the entirety of SandLand, the Capitalist Union States split Iraq into 3 nations - 1 for Kurds, 1 for Shiites, and 1 for Sunnis. A rotating Govt is set into place in Saudi Arabia just for the sake of "change." The former elites of Saudi take a permanent vacation in Dubai. The "holy land" in Arabia becomes, well, Holy Land 1 and the "holy land" in the former Israel becomes Holy Land 2. At first Israel is kinda sore about all of this, but with Japanese love androids, the sickest Korean flat panel HDTVs, and a shit load of more land in the former North Korea, they get over it real quick.
With global partnership, open source developments, new technologies, renewable energy resources, the possibility of immortality through cloning, and a brand new Mechanoid Army into the millions, life sure is grand! The Capitalism Union States East and West, their Colonies, and New Isreal, together happily advance into a bright future as outlined in Popular Science magazines during the 1950's.
Militaristic Islamic Fundamentalism partners up with Totalitarian Nationalistic Communist China and together they continue on with their current ways. They completely adopt the old modus operandi and demands of the former United States, but the C.U.S.E. doesn't really give a shit because they know that's tired news that is about to drain up.
----------------------------------------------------------- If you think this solution is outlandish, just think about the "real" one govts are cooking up right now!
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optimus prime
on 2006-10-09 18:28 [#01984824]
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time to send in solid snake.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2006-10-09 18:32 [#01984825]
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did anybody read that?
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 18:34 [#01984826]
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trust me, it's worth your while.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2006-10-09 19:07 [#01984831]
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paranoia will destroy ya
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 19:10 [#01984833]
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unfortunately, pretty much everything aside from my sarcastic "solution" is either a well considered potential threat or simply fact.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-09 19:12 [#01984834]
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Prior to 9/11, Bush's main agenda for his presidency was to tackle the China "issue"
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-10-09 21:59 [#01984856]
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The Americans are the only ones cruel enough to us the atomic bomb. Im convinced. Rumors were that Hitler had the bomb and didn't use it. The Japanese provoked the attack, were offered the bomb, but didn't use it. Kim Jong Il,Pol Pot, Khamenei, Hitler..in the heat of a world war wouldn't have the apathy to use the nuke against their attackers. Even if they knew they could do it without retaliation. Only America. Just my opinion.
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-10-09 22:06 [#01984858]
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Really? Wouldn't have the "apathy"? So Hitler went ahead and ordered the death of millions of Jews instead? No "apathy there, I suppose.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-10-09 22:16 [#01984861]
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they were jews though.
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furoi
from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2006-10-10 01:47 [#01984889]
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i'm really into NK lately
other strange/ weird funny things to read
almost a dprk magazine made by fanboys
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furoi
from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2006-10-10 01:49 [#01984890]
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a blog made by a comic or just a sicko click
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furoi
from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2006-10-10 01:50 [#01984892]
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the weirdest dprk fanboy click
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-10-10 01:58 [#01984893]
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crazy shit man.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2006-10-10 03:21 [#01984900]
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"The racist filthy Jews championing the cause of capitalist aggression in the Middle-East under the false pretense of combatting "terrorism" are running amok with the invasion of Lebanon in pursuit of the progressive human-rights advocacy group Hezbollah, committing the egrerious war crimes against humanity such as stealing Lebanese children's eardrums and tastebuds to make cookies"
huh?
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-10-10 05:25 [#01984921]
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bogala, you are way off on that last post, m8.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-10-10 05:27 [#01984922]
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umm, i dunno, gl0tch.
quite simply
teh US isn't going to attack NK because we all know what would happen to seoul/SK in moments time.
that's NK's only real defense. if we go after them, they already have plans in place to take out SKoreans with them.
sheesh. not a pretty situation
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-10-10 05:29 [#01984923]
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let's get the facts turn them in and we'll get the analysis
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furoi
from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2006-10-10 06:18 [#01984937]
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dunno lol
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-10 06:28 [#01984938]
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stealing Lebanese children's eardrums and tastebuds to make cookies sounds fun!
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-10-10 13:29 [#01985147]
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elusive - "coulda just been a bunch of TNT."
heh, let's see what really happened here.
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OK
on 2006-10-11 02:01 [#01985324]
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it's funny taht it's not known if it was an actual nuclear test. it could be a ruse made with conventional explosives. it it was an actual nuclear test it's not known if it went as planned or was unsuccesful.
the thing is just northkoreans taking advantage of us's weakness of the moment. window of oportunity gotta take it. they know us won't/can't do anything about it.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-10-11 07:47 [#01985415]
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it's like NK is just poking at the US trying to get a rise out of them.
im glad the US so far hasn't made any threats at all, which im sure is exactely their plan
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-10-11 07:53 [#01985417]
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good read/theory here
start reading at "Some thoughts:
I'm as fascinated by the labels"
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-11 08:42 [#01985426]
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100
few = gew
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