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it would, but what would we do then? would we be any better off, really? if things began tumbling down from the top in america, the delicately balanced tower of bullshit government heirarchy would pretty much all come crashing down pretty quickly, i think, which would leave most people on their own until some party took over and went through the long process of getting the country back together. i'd rather have things being kept generally in check by a slightly bad government than having to worry about the fact that nothing i know is safe because the country is in a state of chaos after we overthrow that government. |
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people won't fight for change. too scared of dying |
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i'm accusing the anti-globalists of stirring shit themselves too, or being all too ready to retalliate when things ignite. alot of them are young males ready to be set off for their ideals. the protesters might have a stronger plea if they had always been peaceful. svalx, yes i have watched it now, before i saw only 40 seconds like LuminousAphid said there. i thought it was one accidental bullet. |
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Could you explain why you think so? I think it's a fairly relevant question. Go on, tell us, if there's nobody watching the protest, how do you judge what's "nasty" (as you put it) enough to warrant anyone being "sent in"? Who do you send in if they're not there to begin with? What do you propose they do once they're "in"? u r wel gud @ society stuf m8, lol |
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generally yeah. i wouldn't participate in anything like that because a. i don't really want to get shot by the military, and b. it's not really as bad as all that. most people living in the u.s. have life pretty good compared to people in some other parts of the world, so while an overthrow could work, i don't think it would ever get enough support in the state of things right now. |
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i hate the cops. |
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The fact that the cops are the ones with weapons tells you all you need to know. |
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use your imagination! there are helicopters, undercover police, cctv cameras. what i class as "nasty" is people breaking the law. once there is police presence then they should seek to diffuse the situation in hand. in a peaceful protest a lot of the time police presence fuels tension. when protests are against the state, police become the face of the enemy as they are the ones acting on behalf of the state, and in this case represent oppression. |
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please try and understand what i mean. if people turn up for a peaceful protest and see police, then it shows to the protesters that the police expect law breaking. in a way it's more of a psychological effect. the police in their big riot armor are extremely intimidating. |
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redrum: The reason people died from rubber bullets in Northern Ireland is because the British government found that if you tipped them with metal they were more effective. |
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what a brilliant statement |
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The woman got shot in the leg, probably for a laugh. If I was a policeman, I'd probably have done it. But does she take the hint? No, shes whines, "Did you shoot me?". flances around in front of them, POP, suprise, she gets shot again. If she's so clued up on Totalitarianism and Police States, you'd think she'd know that, as a rule, the police have a very shit sense of humour and are more than likely to hit you than give you the benefit of the doubt. Stand around in front of policemen with guns, asking to get shot, you'll get shot. Save the disingenuous outrage. |
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That was probably the most interesting thing that had ever happened to that woman in her entire life. She should be grateful. |
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i think people are more outraged that they had guns |
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you're sounding more and more like swears with every post |
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I don't say "90s" enough for that. |
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I'm glad the police are there to protect me from hippy vermin. They should put all these disgusting stinking layabouts in prison. |
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This wouldn't have happened in the 90's. |
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90s. |
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Did you know in 19th century Britian the state used soldiers on horses to put down the masses? So the masses used to cut the reins or sometimes slit the horses throats. Dontcha love progress? |
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These people aren't the masses. They are a minority of troublemakers and must be stopped by any means necessary. |
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I agree there, how come these herberts highjack the "us" from the "them"? Riff raff, raggletaggle, unwashed. |
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I suggest some sort of camp where we can concentrate them all in one place. Then finally we'd have a solution to the hippy problem. |
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Hippies were apolitical. |
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These people are apolitical. If we lived in a perfect utopia they'd go out and protest, it's their hobby. Along with smoking weed and spreading herpes. |
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Well, we hardly have a utopia by which to test your hypothesis. |
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I'm glad that most people in the world suffer, it makes my cushy existence that much sweeter. |
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you're a cunt |
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So you'd be advocating secret police and covert monitoring of all protest, then? Just in case it "gets out of hand"? (not that it doesn't already happen) Who's "representing oppression" now, you myopic tool? |
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Does it really matter if I'm a cunt or not? |
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you're taking the idea completely out of proportion |
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Citizens of the United States and the United Kingdom should realise this is just the start. The whole make-believe middle-east nikky-nakky terrorism-ID-cards-baby-milk assburger we've been fed since 2001 is all part of this same thing; a sinister bunch of puppet-masters behind the Whitehouse, who are putting into action some massive permanent world-redesign. |
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Yeah, maaaan. Terrorism doesn't exist. I'll tell you what doesn't exist, the god that both sides are killing for. |
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So put it in proportion for me! How are you going to tell which protest is "nasty" and which is legitimate without your magical surveillance system / moral compass? And don't even get me started on your "nasty" definition itself - who decides whether a law is just or not? What happens to groups protesting "unjust" laws? Apartheid anyone? It's all just black and white to you, ho ho shitty pun ho ho ho |
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legitimate? i'd hardly call undercover police keeping an eye on the protest a "magical surveillance system" "who decides whether a law is just or not?" well that's an entirely different argument. as far as the police are concerned, when a crime / law is broken, that is when they should come. "What happens to groups protesting "unjust" laws?" does that mean they have to break them? |
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Well, to your mother - no; she loves you unconditionally. To us - yes; our love must be earned. |
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good couldnt have put it more effectively! |
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wow, this thread got lots of replies :) |
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it did and... oh why bother |
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you have my support |
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its america, the cops can get away with anything there. like locking people up for crossing the road and letting them drown in their cell when a hurricane comes. |
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Anyone who is against freedom should be shot. Period. Good on the cop. Im just sad most cops never get to take anyone down with their sidearm in their entire career. Should be a right |
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Conflict needs brutality. The thing that angers me about police brutality is that the hippies (not all but most) all just make a big deal about it. "SEE LOOK A COP HIT ME SEE LOOK LOOK" I`ve ssen a lot of protest riot videos and had numerous police beating the shit out of people in front of me moments , and the best results are when the people fight back. But you goto jail... Violence is very much needed unless you think the meek actually will surrender their power by suggestion ... I don`t mean religous wars now, I mean if someone hits you hit them fucking back. More fist fights, less rubber bullet bullshit. |
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Man, when the kids in the hats start chanting SHAME SHAME SHAME ... Like what the fuck? Do you think all the riot cops are going to call it aday and fucking go home to their kids? Jeez |
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If Bush is going to be thrown out of power, it's going to take brains. You would need a Watergate situation where well connected journalists would pin something on him. All this pathetic hippy bullshit is a distraction, and personally I think has done more damage than good. Hey everyone! Let's discredit our cause by behaving like infantile, violent pricks! The masses are sure to take notice of us then! Look at Michael Moore, he's so full of shit he's a blessing to the right wing, they love picking holes in his shitty arguments. Get your fucking head together, stop smoking weed, dressing like a tramp and bitching about "pigs". Then maybe we can get somewhere as a species. |
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Who the fuck said anything about being against freedom? Did you even take the liberty to read this thread, maybe visit the many links I posted to wikipedia articles on this protest, and inform yourself that it was a protest against a hugely unfair free trade agreement? Do you even know what free trade is? You fucking moron. |
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Hmmm...maybe he's kidding Mr Self Righteous. Just a thought. |
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Conflict needs brutality. Congratulations, you've had the humanity and understanding purged from your system. Think about what that sentence (which you wrote) means. There is never need for brutality. To believe that there is is to be a fucking savage philistine. |
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[seriously tho]J'know what, redrum is right about violence. It has no purpose at all apart from reminding us we're desceded from apes. Let's bring down the fuckers that make everybody's live like shit with reason and intelligence. Like the girl at the party ignoring the horny meatheads. Ten years, twenty maybe, we can look back on this crapola and laugh/cry.[seriously tho] |
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pigs suck |
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