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i am not happy to be exploited. i just know that not working is not even an option. sure the world we live in is shit but i wouldn't say "therefore work is bad" what is basically what this stupid article says. |
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work. so let's suppress it. if' tha's your reasoning i'm wasting my time discussing with you. if when something's bad the solution is to get rid of it then we're not going anywhere ever. |
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this won't change over night ofcourse..but the way people think nowdays (see yourself) we will never change this. surely we could have a better system, but politicians are happy and it appears people are happy as well. after all it's economy that makes a country successful. |
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what's your point? if people wouldn't work, people would be less sick? do you really think that would be the solution? if there wouldn't be any work, people would either do something which could be considered as work, or be completely wasted. the only possible difference with the work you're aiming at, is that people actually have chosen out of their own will to do the things they'd do. my point is that in western society people in general already have that freedom. wether they take it or not, is up to them. |
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Thanks for the link.. perfect timing considering I've been thinking alot about this type of thing lately i.e. the evils of the current workplace. I agree very nearly wholeheartedly with his diagnosis of the problem, but I'm not so sure his 'ludic' solutions would work. My main complaint with the workplace is the way that work-driven people very often sacrifice common human decency for the sake of their jobs.. as if any given 'job' is more important than being a person i.e. Overseers snapping at underlings (and blaming it on a 'mood' or 'stress'), career-oriented folks neglecting their kids, etc.. all for the sake of progress. I like this article because it questions whether its truly progress at all or whether its a big self-perpetuating cycle thats about nothing. Again, though, the idea of this mutually satisfying, nearly utopiuan world seems a little far fetched, even though he might say that it only seems far fetched because I'm working under a work-driven thought paradigm. Oh well. Regardless, great article with a lot of truly good points.. thank you. |
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1. better not change it than change it for the worst. 2. changing a system requires a lot of thinking. you can't just click "close", then "new document" and improvise. 3. in what politic activities are you involved besides posting anti-ideas on music message boards? 4. how do you know i don't think about how to change the system? how do you know the way i think? because i think this article is the work of peter pan doesn't mean i'm not doing anything to change the system. |
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ofcourse they would be less sick..but then again, farmaceutic companies would make much less and therefore they would pay less taxes..so in the end it all works out well. i don't know what the good system would look like as i never thought of it, and there's no point to really. but im sure anything would be better than what we have now. |
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you read it like it's the work of peter pan..that says a lot about how you think to me. |
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not the choice is not up to everyone. rebels are now under control. i don't know any politician that comes from a ghetto. thing is world is governed by a few individuals that don't care about how the world is doing. there will always be less and less work. |
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i don't know what the good system would look like as i never thought of it it shows |
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i know a bit about psychology, was that your conclusion? this guy obviously does not want to de an adult. |
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can you explain what would be the point in doing that? i learnt little something about people so far.. |
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goDel, when did i ever say everything in the western world is bad? i'm as addicted to innovative technology and as hungry for information as the next guy. I just question why people think it's normal to work 40 hours a week in order to enjoy these things. I suppose my problem is mainly with capitalism. But this discussion is getting out of hand and i'm about to call it quits for today. If you want to work and not even think about why you do it, as long as you are happy, then by all means go on. |
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because adults have their opinion on this matter all worked out i suppose.. |
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doing what? thinking about what A (not the ) good system would look like? the point might be to change the one we're in maybe? you "learnt little something about people so far.."? don't give up |
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tolstoyed, you're one of my fav members around here, but saying that the system is to blame for all of the problems, while at the same time saying there's no point in thinking what a better system would look like, is just complete rubbish. that's whining in the most passive aggressive sense possible. if you think things can be done better, than show us how. saying that anything would be better is just cheap. there are lots of possible worlds which would be worse than the one we're living in. |
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sure working 40 hours a week makes no sense. working 5 doesn't either. |
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yes, some adults have their opinion on this, not sure if it's "all worked out". but someone who wants to play all the time is a child. working is part of the process of beeing adult, which is a data not only set up by society. it was just the logical way to evolve. the question is how to manage it. not "should it exist or not?" |
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i've been thinking the same thoughs as this guy many times before. then i quit smoking cannabis and now i don't think that way anymore. i now realise i was a hippylol. but serioulsy, the guy is right in some way, but it is of course utopia. |
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i agree on the part where people are slaves of their jobs. or at least, the people who actually think that way. i'm sure there are lots of people who are that kind of slave, to a certain degree, and that's just bad. but is the work to blame? who is to blame? society? there are lots of things which could be blamed. and certainly not in the last place those people themselves. |
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what if we all gathered in my ? what do you think? |
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nah, i've slacked enough already. i still got some work to do, you know! |
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interesting article. ive felt the same way all my life. the jobs ive had in the past have made me depressed. you (J198) said you'de fight this concept even if it means ending up in a mental institution. been there. it's not good, they just try to recover you by telling you to grow up and get with it. they don't cater to your opinions or inner child's wants and needs. it's a very debilitating subject. I use escapism/delusion to forget about the system. |
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"i don't know what the good system would look like as i never thought of it, and there's no point to really. but im sure anything would be better than what we have now." This is top class LOL |
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how old are you? |
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Wow some of you guys are really jumping the gun. The point of this article isn't to "be lazy and stop working altogether". If you numbnuts actually read it the author points out a few times that he doesn't want to end 'work' but rather this fucked up element of western 'work' that is totally used as a way to keep the people stupid and docile while the higher ups get all the money and power. But I'm sure you don't care, go back to sucking your bosses dick. |
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hush, don't ruin it! |
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lol something tells me to actually read that article |
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Is that madonna in your avatar? If it is her tits look huge |
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can you please explain what good would it be when 95% of people think like you and young yann here? |
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"that the system is to blame for all of the problems, while at the same time saying there's no point in thinking what a better system would look like, is just complete rubbish." it's people i blame..they're ok with it. i'd gladly think about it if would do any good to anyone..but i've got better stuff to do :) |
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pasting the last 2 sentences: "No one should ever work. Workers of the world. . . relax!" that's undoubtedly a clever conclusion. especially if you don't want work to 'end'. |
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show a little respect, i'm already way smarter than you are despite my large retard. :) it is bad when 95% think work is necessary, therefore it is better not to think, you're pretty damn right. good night, i'm off to my mate's ^^ |
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Wow, very impressive. You can skim past the logical parts and just go to the 'zingers' and use that as facts. I don't blame you though. If I logged onto the internet and saw some dudes telling me how generations of my family are slaves to a worthless system I'd too set up my "o'reilly defenses" and block out any sort of alternate viewpoints so I could continue to live in my bubble of false reality. |
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Excerpt: "When I say I want to abolish work, I mean just what I say, but I want to say what I mean by defining my terms in non-idiosyncratic ways. My minimun definition of work is forced labor, that is, compulsory production. Both elements are essential. Work is production enforced by economic or political means, by the carrot or the stick. (The carrot is just the stick by other means.) But not all creation is work. Work is never done for its own sake, it's done on account of some product or output that the worker (or, more often, somebody else) gets out of it. This is what work necessarily is. To define it is to despise it. But work is usually even worse than its definition decrees. The dynamic of domination intrinsic to work tends over time toward elaboration. In advanced work-riddled societies, including all industrial societies whether capitalist or "communist," work invariably acquires other attributes which accentuate its obnoxiousness. " See how reading can clear things up? Way to make yourself look like a bigger douche than me. That's quite a feat. |
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come on, read it again. this guys wants work to end, but cannot say it because it's just too stupid, that's why in some parts he pretends he doesn't want it to end, he knows that it's not possible and that he has no point, although he's not strong enough to recognize it. when you don't want work to end you don't write this as last sentences. period. to reply the second part of your post (LOL), i agree we're slaves of this system, as i said before but that doesn't make this article any worthy. it's plain stupid, childish (he wants everything to be a game, how adult is that?). and that bubble thing is pretty funny (and ridiculous) because the one who lives in a bubble is the one wanting to play all life long without facing responsibilities etc. and that bubble is heavily chalenged. i hope you're younger than tolstoyed. and i hope you'll ran out of imaginary wrong ways shortly to fall down in the sad, sad world of reality. cheers, laters i'm off... |
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homer simpson wearing glasses |
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lets have a beer lol @ the "o'reilly defenses" btw! |
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you obviously read what you want to read..im pretty sure you didn't get the point of the article or you are just intentionally playing silly. |
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"because the one who lives in a bubble is the one wanting to play all life long without facing responsibilities" yes, when i lie on my death bed, thoughts about what responsibilities i managed to meet will emerge in my head.?? i'd much rather think about all the stuff i managed to learn, see, hear etc. on account of not having to spend my life time at some stupid job. |
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the point of the article is to convince people that work is not necessary to man, because the author doesn't want to be an adult. |
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Well we could get into a long boring debate about what it means to be an "adult" but to me, your definition of "adult" means - wake up a 6am, commute 30min to the same place everyday, do monotonous stupid work that doesn't really matter, go home, sleep, repeat. To me thats not being an adult - its being a fucking robot. And for the last time the article isn't about erasing 'work' from the planet. Jesus. It's about evaluating what is "usefull" work and what is just stupid pointless drivel that fuels a pathetic go-nowhere society. I don't see what's so hard to understand here. Here let me save you a future response: "BUT LOOK HE'S A SLACKER WHO DOESN'T WANT TO WORK. REAL MEN WORK JOBS BECAUSE THEY NEED MONEY TO PAY FOR STUFF! ONLY KIDS WANT TO DESTROY JOBS! LOOK AT ME - I WORK A JOB! HES SAYING THAT WORK ISN'T NESCESSARY! LOL HOW DUMB!!!!1" |
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you are a children. |
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I am a children. |
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comment of weatheredstoner:"If you numbnuts actually read it the author points out a few times that he doesn't want to end 'work' but rather this fucked up element of western 'work' that is totally used as a way to keep the people stupid and docile while the higher ups get all the money and power". i say !!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah, i think about this ALL of the time. gotta check out radiohead's NO DATA site. let's get beyond the illusion. i'm i your tribe mr. weatheredstoner |
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we are childrens |
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yes |
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Work is necessary. How necessary work is in the sense of production or money making can be debated, given that alternatives exist (hunting and gathering for instance). But having to do things that you don't want to do is part of life. Suck it up you fucking pussies. |
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i'm unemployed and i need money to pay a rent. but i guess i should live in the street and tell people that they should do just like me until we're numerous enough to hijack the system. |
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Come on. It's the silliest statement made by any human, ever! Admit it! Funny how lazyness makes great philosophers here at XLT, btw |
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