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So the point is this. Life isn't fair. Humans are meant to suffer and die. So what if life is too short? Technology has allowed us the ability to live lives so far away from what it would be in the hunter gatherer society, that its arrogant to expect anything more. Even a 8 hour day of hard labor is nothing compared to what we would be in another country or time. |
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That's pretty sad, Taxidermist. Why do you hate your existence so much? |
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I get the feeling that Americans are very critical of people on welfare. I remember seeing Ricky Lake (I, know...) once and this girl said she was on welfare, and the whole audience was booing her and shaking their heads in disgust. Is this attitude common? |
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Yep, Its the "my taxes" thing.. Also, America is in love with working. Too much. |
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I like Ralph Nader's idea, just have a really high minimum wage, and that'll reduce the need for welfare hand-outs. |
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lets all make a gigantic music collective, we'll share all revenues, we'll get donations and also sell records yay! |
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Naders idea would drive people out of business though and we'd all have to rely on the government. WHich is his real plan. |
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scary. almost everyone i know is on benefits, about half out of need and about half just get it through loopholes (e.g. keep a cow in the garden to claim agricultural benefits) |
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Is it? Or is this just democrat propaganda? If people earned more, it would just push up inflation. Ezkerraldean: Yeah, come to Liverpool. No one can be arsed working. |
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inflation is a monetary phenomenon if you increase the currency flowing in the market you casue inflation, you can give give people (not all people, the poorest perhaps) more money and not cause inflation. |
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I don't hate my existence. I just don't convolute my perception with hopelessly idealistic views of what reality is. |
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Why are we meant to suffer? |
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im having a time of my life yo! life is ace! |
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Its not that we are meant so much, as the state of nature is both ballance and violence. We have moved ourselfs out of the middle of the food chain, and into a dominant position where we don't have to worry so much about predators, or sickness, or even most parasites. Why people seem to always need more, make things easier. Its perplexing. |
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humans suffer mainly because of other humans, we have largely overcome nature, or at least we have the ability to overcome it. |
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I hate all this "simple survival is a more pure and valid form of existence" crap. The fact we have time to contemplate things and appreciate our surroundings is a far richer way of life. I think people will always aspire to something higher, that's what separates us from the animals. |
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Thats where I'm at Taxidermist. I know what it's like to work and then have to pay for other people who are lazy, but the way I see it is like this - A lot of taxes goes to pay for government officials paychecks. These are some of the biggest slackers, cheats, liers and idiots to ever grace the surface of the planet. They get paid 6 digits a year to be a fuck-ass. If i made even $20,000 a year I still wouldn't even be 1/4 of a douche as our officials. These are the same assholes who just decided by 1 freakin vote not to outlaw flag burning in this country this week. If there are hard workers out there who are pissed about paying into the pockets of losers, they have bigger fish to fry than the average man. |
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Is this really about human suffering? We know shit happens. Can't we focus on how to bring pleasure for everyone? |
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Did you read what I wrote? The natural state of existence is to suffer - so humans, who have removed nearly everything to suffer from, are doing the natural thing by finding things to cause them suffering. |
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RTFP! When did I say survival is a more pure and valid form of existence? I am saying we have evolved past that. |
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Hey now. This thread isn't about existing and suffering... well kinda, but what I mean to say is that it's about deciding whether or not living on govt. cheese is a proper step towards happiness. |
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No... quite the oppisite in my experience. Sorry. I didn't mean to turn this thread in the wrong direction. I really wish there was an edit function in this messageboard :( I guess what I mean is this; it gets to the point where you are just surviving on welfare. Unless you find a way to scam the system by getting welfare and having a job, but then you still have a job, and you are screwing with your karma for a direction you might not want. |
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no, i didnt read it. i was pissed |
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She doesn't get much |
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I was on welfare for 2 months. It was reasonably enjoyable; I got to study (work related) things that really interested me. On days when the weather was good, I'd cycle to the beach and swim/read there. I'm not very materialistic and my wine racks were fully stocked at the time I became unemployed and I had a backlog of videogames to play through, so not having a lot of money didn't really cause a problem. Downsides: Having to work on my push bike myself, rather than paying someone else to do it for me. Time suddenly available for motorcycle travel, but not enough money to pay for fuel to do so. Having to physically go down to the job centre to sign on. Fair play though, the staff were polite and respectful as soon as they realised I was actively trying to find new work. For political/philosophical reasons, I wouldn't be comfortable in myself ever choosing not to work, if I were able to. I also resent paying taxes to support people who choose not to work. IMO, Working at something you like (and would do anyway, regardless of whether or not you got paid for it) is the way to be happy and fulfilled in the long term. If you're doing shitty jobs you find repetitive and boring, the answer is to find a job that isn't shitty, not to write off 'working' as a concept. |
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I think people should work for welfare..giving money away for free is the stupidest thing society does to mankind. |
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they will send you to these things where, i shit u not, a guy with a single layer abacus will show u how to tick a box marked 1 to 10, where everyone (including him) in the room can't believe it's actually happening. Same thing where half the shops ( ok 3 ) on the fucking highstreet are turned into places where kids are supposed to go to help their chances of employment - just look bored & filling in forms to me. |
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"I get the feeling that Americans are very critical of people on welfare." My understanding of American Welfare is that it is improperly incentivized so that blacks are better served having lots o unhealthy babies out of wedlock instead of staying in school and working hard. Therefore the backbone of that country, the hard-working whites (and a few Asians and Hindus) look down on them. Even Tommy Hilfiger said "If I knew my clothes would become popular with blacks I'd never have gone into design." Welfare is important for those that cannot contribute to their society out of no fault of their own. Would you want to pay for Tyrone's 10 brothers from another mother? |
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people at the bottom arent draining anything. they're in shit so they act shit and have no hope. im sure some think that if they weren't having to contribute a little money toward helping their own country it would all work out and the nasty unsightly types who weren't filled with entrepreneurial energy would happily allow themselves to disappear (they wont - they'll be angrily trying to hold onto life like the rest of us). meanwhile the hardball good guys get the real stuff done none of you are going to ever EVER judge someone based on their productivity ever again no matter how tempting it is for you super hardworkers. instead i want you to look at it as if you are just fucking lucky - you are lucky you werent depressed, mentally ill, disabled, badly educated, poorly represented, looked down upon, scared. please dont use every bad underclass family you see as an excuse to remind yourself that you are completely amazing |
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I knew a guy from the UK "on the dole." While I know I shouldn't draw conclusions from a sample size of one, he was not "depressed, mentally ill, disabled, badly educated, poorly represented, looked down upon, scared." He was just lazy. He would practically boast about how he just needed to make it look like he was searching for work. Here in Norway there are no blacks so to speak so it's not an issue, but I hear it's bad in the US. |
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I don't have time to check the link now or my dinner is going to burn but everything else you said is true there. |
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im not talking to you too much i hear this shit wherever i go. im angry at other people. please be well. the kind of dude you are talking about btw is common in this country but i think a lot of people make the mistake you pointed out of using a small sample size. they never get to meet the people who im sure are the majority of 'scroungers'. its also a hunch of mine that the benefits thieves don't even really damage an economy that badly. another hunch is that self made types are a bit cunty |
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Well I get what you're saying, but are you aware of "welfare queens?" If you don't know about them you should look into it. I don't think they have them in UK and they certainly don't here. Every day I wake up and in the back of my mind I thank the cosmos that I was born to parents who loved me, raised me well, educated me....that I had an average healthy mind and body....and I'm glad my government and community takes care of those that aren't as blessed. However when I read about the American underclasses cashing their welfare money to buy FUBUs and Reebocks I get angry and I'm not even a tax paywer there! |
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yeah but dude culture n shit. - everyone in the west is a slave to fashion and products because of the intense pressure to 'matter' or feel satisfied. if anything they feel it worse. i wonder who here has ever been tested. would we really put our heads to the task and save every penny that isnt spent on tinned beans so that we may eventually escape the ghetto or would we get depressed, get integrated into the shit side of the system and believe we needed some better shoes to be ahead of the game. and i doubt you can even really get away with looking shit without getting beaten up. in the worst ghettos i recon having shit shoes is basically a bit of a death scentence |
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I don't know you and so it is silly for me to be angry or offended with you but don't speak for me. I'm not a slave to fashion. Even Norway has used clothing stores where you can buy "out of fashion" used clothes for cheap... My satisfaction comes solely from learning more and more each day about our cosmos and my humble place within it. Nothing more or less (except maybe some sex here and there.) |
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that subscription to "penthouse" is really broadening your horizons, i can tell |
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Epic Mega Tracks, Based on your timezone you are American. Do you know about the welfare queens? |
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You can avoid paying tax to the scrounging masses, by storing all your money in the form of metal ingots buried in your garden. |
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You can also store your hard earned currency as hollow point ammunition. That stuff will tear a welfare queen apart. |
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What if there is absolutely no market for what you like to do/what if what you like to do would be utterly destroyed by being marketable? Am I meant to search for a generous and disinterested patron? I'd rather stay on welfare all my life. |
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Also, just to get it out of the way, there's no such thing as laziness. |
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