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offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 08:56 [#01674642]
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They're paid to keep calm and make the right decision under
pressure -- they did neither and now a man is dead. It's not
like other jobs where if you make a mistake someone might
get a wrong pizza or have to wait for the right drink.

This is not as fucked-up, of course, as the man in London
shot dead whilst carrying a table-leg under his arm.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-25 09:00 [#01674649]
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That was something which made me annoyed. Why shoot to kill
in that case? They had more than enough time to take him out
without killing him. Tear Gas, Taser etc. Then someone
carrying a fucking table leg wouldn't have died.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-07-25 09:00 [#01674650]
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ok then, they saw that the guy was a foreigner and shot the
fuck out of him for a laugh then.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:11 [#01674655]
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No need to get pissy just because people aren't happy at
what happened and aren't satisfied with the crappy 'it was a
tragedy but we maintain our shoot to kill policy' statement
from the likes of Jack Straw.


 

offline tftp from Danver (United States) on 2005-07-25 09:16 [#01674659]
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took you longer to reply to this thread than they had time
to make a life threatening situation

sounds like the lightning round in a gameshow
how are your reflexes

mine r ok


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-07-25 09:17 [#01674661]
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I'm not really getting pissy, I just think being reactionary
and basically coming right out and saying that this was flat
out murder based on his nationality is quite detrimental to
the situation.

It’s a horrible situation. It’s shitty. And people
need to think clearly about ways to make it better.

Two suicide attacks on train stations within days of each
other and then a guy from one of the buildings that’s
under survailence goes running into another station..
you’ve been told to be on high alert and you’ve got
seconds to possibly save the lives of hundreds. Now it’s
up to you to take decisive action, do you wait that extra
couple of seconds and risk it, or do you take someone’s
life?

Maybe this time the guy doesn’t have a bomb and he’s not
even involved, and you’ve just killed an innocent man, but
next time maybe you give him just enough time to push the
button and a lot of people’s mothers and children and
brothers and friends (not to mention you) are blown to shit
in a subway station. And by the time you’re done reading
this paragraph you’ve already had like twice as much time
as those guys had to make the call.



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:21 [#01674664]
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I was fusing this together with Labour's less-than-socialist
views on Immigration and CCTV and chipped-ID-cards and other
controlling methods and applying them satirically to this
shooting. I thought that was pretty obvious.


 

offline gay_dad from 5 go mad in Dorset (Chile) on 2005-07-25 09:24 [#01674665]
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The worst case scenario for the police in that sort of
situation is failing to stop a terrorist attack.

Living in the same house as terrorists, carrying a rucksack
with visible wires, running away from the police, jumping
the barrier and pushing your way onto a tube train, a day
after terrorist attacks, makes you either the stupidest or
unluckiest person in London, and will probably result in you
having 5 bullets in your head.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:29 [#01674668]
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I guess we shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Or maybe if
someone looks guilty they are guilty. And I guess the
punishment for panicking / naivete / stupidity is five
bullets to the head. When it all comes down to it, he wasn't
a suicide bomber.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-07-25 09:30 [#01674669]
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I agree. The rozzers aren't blase about blowing people away.
they know that the media backlash is a force to be reckoned
with and sad as it is to say, it does actually affect their
judgement. I wonder what people would be saying if he had
detonated a bomb and killed dozens in those stations and it
later transpired armed police had been within spitting
distance but had held back?

The police have a very difficult job to do and I don't envy
them one bit.

Look on the brightside, unarmed suspects get shot on a far
more frequent basis in America. The only reason this is
newsworthy is that it's still a rareity here.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:32 [#01674672]
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I wonder how Jack Straw would feel if it was his son shot 5
times in the head?

There's a lot of What Ifs, just like there's a lot of
innocent dead people in Iraq, who weren't killed by the
ousted dictator, Sadman Hussein.


 

offline gay_dad from 5 go mad in Dorset (Chile) on 2005-07-25 09:36 [#01674674]
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The police, who shot the bloke with the table leg six years
ago, have been involved in legal proceedings ever since, and
last month were arrested again. I don't think the police
just shoot because, you know, they fancy it.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-07-25 09:36 [#01674675]
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Look on the brightside, unarmed suspects get shot on a
far
more frequent basis in America.


haha

:)


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-25 09:37 [#01674676]
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fucking hilarious isn't it


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-07-25 09:38 [#01674678]
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awkwardly worded, yes


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-25 09:39 [#01674680]
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Excuse me, I see your point of view now.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:44 [#01674686]
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I wonder if I shot someone walking down the street with a
table leg tucked under his arm it would take 6 years before
I was arrested.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2005-07-25 10:59 [#01674759]
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Well, the US does have more gun-related deaths, as its
constitution allows civilians to possess firearms..


 


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