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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 08:56 [#01674642]
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They're paid to keep calm and make the right decision under pressure -- they did neither and now a man is dead. It's not like other jobs where if you make a mistake someone might get a wrong pizza or have to wait for the right drink.
This is not as fucked-up, of course, as the man in London shot dead whilst carrying a table-leg under his arm.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-25 09:00 [#01674649]
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That was something which made me annoyed. Why shoot to kill in that case? They had more than enough time to take him out without killing him. Tear Gas, Taser etc. Then someone carrying a fucking table leg wouldn't have died.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-07-25 09:00 [#01674650]
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ok then, they saw that the guy was a foreigner and shot the fuck out of him for a laugh then.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:11 [#01674655]
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No need to get pissy just because people aren't happy at what happened and aren't satisfied with the crappy 'it was a tragedy but we maintain our shoot to kill policy' statement from the likes of Jack Straw.
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tftp
from Danver (United States) on 2005-07-25 09:16 [#01674659]
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took you longer to reply to this thread than they had time to make a life threatening situation
sounds like the lightning round in a gameshow how are your reflexes
mine r ok
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-07-25 09:17 [#01674661]
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I'm not really getting pissy, I just think being reactionary and basically coming right out and saying that this was flat out murder based on his nationality is quite detrimental to the situation.
It’s a horrible situation. It’s shitty. And people need to think clearly about ways to make it better.
Two suicide attacks on train stations within days of each other and then a guy from one of the buildings that’s under survailence goes running into another station.. you’ve been told to be on high alert and you’ve got seconds to possibly save the lives of hundreds. Now it’s up to you to take decisive action, do you wait that extra couple of seconds and risk it, or do you take someone’s life?
Maybe this time the guy doesn’t have a bomb and he’s not even involved, and you’ve just killed an innocent man, but next time maybe you give him just enough time to push the button and a lot of people’s mothers and children and brothers and friends (not to mention you) are blown to shit in a subway station. And by the time you’re done reading this paragraph you’ve already had like twice as much time as those guys had to make the call.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:21 [#01674664]
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I was fusing this together with Labour's less-than-socialist views on Immigration and CCTV and chipped-ID-cards and other controlling methods and applying them satirically to this shooting. I thought that was pretty obvious.
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gay_dad
from 5 go mad in Dorset (Chile) on 2005-07-25 09:24 [#01674665]
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The worst case scenario for the police in that sort of situation is failing to stop a terrorist attack.
Living in the same house as terrorists, carrying a rucksack with visible wires, running away from the police, jumping the barrier and pushing your way onto a tube train, a day after terrorist attacks, makes you either the stupidest or unluckiest person in London, and will probably result in you having 5 bullets in your head.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:29 [#01674668]
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I guess we shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Or maybe if someone looks guilty they are guilty. And I guess the punishment for panicking / naivete / stupidity is five bullets to the head. When it all comes down to it, he wasn't a suicide bomber.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-07-25 09:30 [#01674669]
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I agree. The rozzers aren't blase about blowing people away. they know that the media backlash is a force to be reckoned with and sad as it is to say, it does actually affect their judgement. I wonder what people would be saying if he had detonated a bomb and killed dozens in those stations and it later transpired armed police had been within spitting distance but had held back?
The police have a very difficult job to do and I don't envy them one bit.
Look on the brightside, unarmed suspects get shot on a far more frequent basis in America. The only reason this is newsworthy is that it's still a rareity here.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:32 [#01674672]
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I wonder how Jack Straw would feel if it was his son shot 5 times in the head?
There's a lot of What Ifs, just like there's a lot of innocent dead people in Iraq, who weren't killed by the ousted dictator, Sadman Hussein.
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gay_dad
from 5 go mad in Dorset (Chile) on 2005-07-25 09:36 [#01674674]
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The police, who shot the bloke with the table leg six years ago, have been involved in legal proceedings ever since, and last month were arrested again. I don't think the police just shoot because, you know, they fancy it.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-07-25 09:36 [#01674675]
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Look on the brightside, unarmed suspects get shot on a far
more frequent basis in America.
haha
:)
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-25 09:37 [#01674676]
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fucking hilarious isn't it
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-07-25 09:38 [#01674678]
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awkwardly worded, yes
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-25 09:39 [#01674680]
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Excuse me, I see your point of view now.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-07-25 09:44 [#01674686]
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I wonder if I shot someone walking down the street with a table leg tucked under his arm it would take 6 years before I was arrested.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2005-07-25 10:59 [#01674759]
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Well, the US does have more gun-related deaths, as its constitution allows civilians to possess firearms..
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