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that was about warp 10 years anniversery. just seems like a miserable guy when he has no need to be. |
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Yeah, we own them...work dammit :-) |
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Oh sorry! I replied to that other post!! Nevermind. (BTW, as see you are from Portugal: My avatar is picture I took in Lisboa. Great country - beautiful women!!) |
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You mean the comment about there being no need to celebrate I take it? Well, some people are just like that aren't they? Seeing no need for frivolity to mark occasions and so on, not sure I'd go as far as to call it cuntiness but I do take your point... |
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^ I thought you repl... |
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There sure are some babes over here...Brazilians too, but that's another (sad) story...I'm only here till late June, then it's back to sunny Berlin... |
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Must be off into the sunshine...more cryptic comments as events warrant :-) |
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yeah it was that sorry. but i coupled it with other things ive heard about the man. whats your special relationship? i didnt want to offend you! |
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Warp Records. Their history and importance in music is unquestionable. They brought to a far wider audience acts like all the famous ones that don't need mentioning. They are still releasing classic electronic music whilst diversifying into rock/indie/crossover acts. They have developed Warp Films, releasing the much anticipated Rubber Johnny, and the aclaimed Dead Mans Shoes and the Chris Morris "My Wrongs....". They launced the Bleep mp3 store. I don't know what more you can ask from a label, I can't think of any others that have done so much. |
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right place right time? |
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bleep store...films...desperate attempts to get people to like them now that the music is going downhill.... its a music label, people, the only thing that really matters is the music! |
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i made a graph! |
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excellent graph! I agree with the stats. They stopped being a relivent label years ago |
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How come people invest so much energy on this board saying Warp's past it? I appreciate it that some of you are 15 and have no idea what you're talking about, but getting upset because there's some "indie" on the label is a bit shallow for people on a board that apparently is open minded to music in general, not just some narrow micro-genre of revisionist IDM where Ceephax invented acid and VSnares is anything other than utterly reproachable. I'm sure all the great breakcore labels and glitch netlabels that are popping up in all the backwaters of Australia and Buttfuck, USA will lead the way forward and be far more progressive than poor misguided Warp with its foolish notions about expansion. |
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yep the graph is perfect btw.. in my eyes bleep is a very negative thing for the development of alternative electronic music and also for music industry.. people will not buy albums anymore but tracks pff want to be a dj? buy a computer, surf on bleep, invest 50 euros in buying the best tracks from the last 10 years and rock the crowd simply horrible to envision where we are going due to this |
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maybe its because we arent desperately clinging on to safe music |
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hmm.... I'm not old enough to be able to say I was there when the whole electronica genre really took off. But through the years I have been into it, it's seemed to me that Warp have always been great. You can't deny their presence and influence over the years, that's for sure. |
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How come people invest so much energy on this board saying Warp's past it? Because its so sad. I'll never forget listening to EP7,Rest Proof Clockwork or Warp 10+3 Comp for the first time. It blew mind my mind and changed my way of listening to music. I just miss that. |
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To respectfully disagree and in my opinion, i feel that warp had an ear for artists years ago. From the beginning up until (once again IMO) 4-5 years ago. The thing that made them great was their powerhouse artists that they had. As a whole those artists covered alot of ground. Squarepusher, AE, BOC, LFO, AFX ofcourse. I found Mira Calix good. Broadcast were good. There are others. I for one am disappointed in the new direction they are going and have been forever. Alot of bad calls on signing people which is mainly based on opinion of course but many others tend to share that same thought process. A common thing i heard now-a-days is that "anyone can get signed to warp" as if it doesnt really take anything anymore. If they keep going the direction they are heading there wont be much that seperates them from other labels. The market is already flooded with indie/hiphop and i think its an odd direction to go. As far as innovation I think that bleep is interesting. While its a good idea I feel, i do wonder how it will work down the road. And lastly i am interested to see what they do with warp films. Now that said i will go back to my lovely italian breakfast of Ziti and garlic bread. Yum! :) |
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they played the records that we all know they played em fast and they played em slow the crazy lights and the music loud it just wasnt the same somehow i wish we could dance the same as before but i dont have it in me anymore |
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A lovingly crafted and considered post VP, and a joy to read. However if Warp is irrelevant now I'd love to know which are the benchmark labels of today are that are setting the pace that poor old Warp fails to match? |
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the importance of warp in the last decade and a bit cannot be underestimated, even if they are taking a different direction in recent times period. dot. full stop. |
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warp is getting worse, but its still a little better than everyone else...its the decline thats upseting, not the output.... |
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mo money mo problems |
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crap! the thing that makes Warp great is that they do whatever the fuck they want and do not care about kids screaming whether a label is "relevant" or not. just because you personally do not like what they have been bringing out does not mean the label is any less than it was, it means that YOU cannot connect. this to me is the same as getting angry at an artist that makes a new record that you don't like. it MIGHT just be that the artist has no problem with his new record and that it therefore MIGHT be your own problem. I'm not saying I'm much into this new stuff, but I do respect them a lot for still doing what THEY want to do. and the generalisation that all they do these days is bring out pop is really proposterous. yeah, Warp are really dominating the charts with Gravenhurst. |
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Warp made their name when electronica was new. These days pretty much all music is being made electronically so there's not as much scope for anything new. You can try making stuff that sounds completely different to everything else but if its purely for the sake of not sounding like anyone else, rather than it actually being good music, its a waste of time. Somebody on here said that there's a lot of other talented new electronica artists that should be signed, but from what i've heard most of them are just Aphec / AE / BOC wannabies. Just because Warp are releasing something that doesnt appeal to the same people that listened to their early stuff, it doesnt mean theyre going downhill at all. Things move on and trends change. If you dont like it, dont waste your time moaning about it, just listen to your Aphex wannabies. Amen |
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yes but if warp is gonna stop doing warp-style music...who else is gonna do warp style music? |
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seeing as half the world has been trying for the last 15 years, there should be someone. |
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we arnt complaining about the new music, just lamenting the lack of the old...and listening to 'wannabes' is never the same... |
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doesn't calling it "warp style music" mean that you want them to stick to making the same old stuff rather than doing something new?? contradicts what most of this posts been about in my opinion |
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Yes! Exactly! I want them to make the same old stuff that i love over and over! |
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Steve Beckett said in an interview ""We realised that the way for longevity was to develop artists who released albums. We were looking up to labels like Factory and Mute and Beggars Banquet where the label takes a back seat. The artist is what develops you as a label, rather than just sticking to one sound." So they're just doing what they always did. If you want 1,000 variations of exactly the same thing subscribe to the Planet U roster. |
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it's the old question: do you listen to a label or to music? |
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if you like an artist, following a label used to be the easiest way to find similar music...but the most styles that label puts out the harder that becomes... |
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most=more |
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what if an artist changes thier style to one thats more accessible so they can make more money |
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yes what then? |
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to qrter.. I listen to music and I don't give a fuck if warp starts loosing the respect of thousand of the fans that made them grow far enough during the nineties the prob in warp releasing pop(py) and more indiestyle music is that they mix up all those pop fans with alternative electronic musicfans who listened to wicked stuff like afx and square in the early nineties.. this will commercialise our cool idm scene and make it more and more mature for the charts.. why does every cool thing have to become mainstream with the time just because of money reasons? small and quality is always better and personnaly I respect much more those guys that manage to keep a cool thing small sorry for my crappy english hope you don't misunderstand what I want to say |
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i like your a-team avatar |
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I really think you're overrating the pop-appeal of Warp. I think Aphex has had more pop-appeal than any of the newer acts. |
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and fuck "our cool idm scene". make it more mature for the charts? you must be kidding! it's been there for YEARS now! |
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yeah it'll never chart properly i think i like some of the new acts , like prefuse , but on the other hand i do miss alot of the old school pure electronic stuff... perhaps a balance would be better. though i guess maybe no one has come up and stepped to the plate of AFX or Jenkinson, and thats out of their control. |
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can you still respect them then? |
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p.s. a team rules |
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it has little to do with respecting them - if I like the music, I like the music. if not, I don't. if warp wanted to make a lot of money they would keep producing the same kind of music they made the last 10 years. |
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so you dont see all this as an attempt to reach a wider audience and there fore making more money? |
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not at all. There's nothing wrong with a label adding a bit more diversity to their signings as they grow. at the end of the day if they just release the same old stuff time after time after time then its going to be worse for the electronica scene than if they add a few "indie" bands to their rostas. |
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Well although there are a number of labels out there with a number of talented artists i think that they dont really reach the bar that warp itself had raised. I think more or less that it comes down to an individual artist as opposed to a particular label. I think that Warp had raised the bar but then dropped the ball. |
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Followup appreciated Mr Alex. Please remember that my post shouldnt be deemed insulting nor 100% correct as this thread is full of opinions that go across the board. Upon stating that please continue...... ------------------------------------------- Well i could try putting this differently. Most labels are about doing what they want. They have a certain style and belief system and stick with it regardless of what people say. You cant just think that Warp was the only label going about this. Sure maybe a label of their caliber of a specific genre but this whole "not caring" attitude applies to thousands upon thousands of labels out there. The only time a label cares is when it comes down to the fundimentals of making money (virgin, columbia or whatever). Most small labels are aware that there is some serious compitition out there and they are strictly sticking with what they know based on the love and severe passion of what they do (addict, zod etc etc) Its not that i am angry at warp. I dont like them do the the fact that they appearently flipfloped a bit and are changing the line up based on the scene and the age group that make that up. They are clearly marketing at the college, post college crowd and i would put that as 19-32. You can tell this by simply observing the enviroment around you. |
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But in the end what you have here is people that support Warp that will talk down using inferences (and other dance abouts) the users that question the direction of warp. And on the other hand it will be people questioning the supporters of warp. In the end it is important to note that they still contain good artists and have done alot for the scene. They have been around for quite sometime and have stuck around because they are able to market talented individuals. That said remember this thread is opinionated and serves no other purpose then to object with each other. There really is no right and wrong here..... with the exception of nigels graph being correct. :p 100? |
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