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No, I don't know that "resonsibility" is anything more than delusion or projection. furthermore, I could have "responsibilities" and totally shirk them - Why not? i don't know. |
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Sorry Doomed I didn't see your earlier post until now. It's not about self importance. From the point that man became self aware even in the least the whole biological cycle has left a percentage of it's meaning. It was inevitable, it is a fact and we have to deal with it. Humans are not breeding factories and that is one of the things that differenciates them from animals. You are saing other animals aren't self aware? Please find more out about animals if you beleive that. Look at human behaviour patterns at all levels. It is all about territorial dominance, power and procreation. And in what way is human breeding patterns different than other animals? The only thing that disrupts human breeding in a different way to animals is greed. Pathetic maybe to you...but statistically certain. Obviously man has to find or create something anew when one has conquered one's previous problems. You have a really socially limited view on the thing. You use your own aesthetics judge your opinion on the subject. You hate rich boys and say they are mopping around but guess what: I don't think you can compare it to the state of the underpriviledged. It's something completely different and there is no indication it is less painfull. I don't hate rich boys it is also rather amusing the way you immediately associated priviledges with monetary worth which was actually not what I meant at all. I hate selfish mind sets. There are things to do in any situation. There are always people in a worse position than you who would really appreciate your help. Why not use your energy in a more constructive way? |
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Maybe you should read Jean Paul Sartre - Nausea |
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Why? |
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Sorry that should have been a follow up to Doomed Puppy. |
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life is acceptance or loss. |
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Translation: Please send me money. I am poor and starving. Look at my protruding belly and ribs - please feed me your rice! Rice is good. I know rice is good because i know motherfucking everything. |
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ecnadniarb: animals are not self aware in the sense that they're not conscious of their own mortality, the fact that it is only humans who have this awareness is inexplicable - and it makes sense that that is the case, becuase if everything is random, then that was just another random occourance, without reason. |
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oh man, of course the definition is up to you, of course you can "shirk" them off..... *yawn* on the course of this thread have become more and more predictable.... shame, could have been good. i suppose you are just keeping the attitude to stay with the thread title. :) amateur nihilist! :) |
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huh? Of course animals are concious of their own mortality. What makes you think they aren't? |
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Intellectual. You are an intellectual giant. Einstein. You are the the new Einstein and Kirkegaard. Teach me master. |
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i already have. twice. and you point is? |
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common sense? |
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Sartre is lame... |
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That's not even worth writing a proper response to...I feel sorry for you, I really do. |
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care to elaborate or are you just posting complete imflammory bollocks like you usually do? |
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you're wasting your time. and so am i. |
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It's fucking obvious isn't it? Tell me what life is, and then enlighten my ass on mortality. What is life then? Huh?? Tell me. |
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Animals are aware of their own mortality which is why they run away from predators, which is why they defend their young in dangerous situations, why they run from fire etc. etc. I don't understand why you think they don't. |
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look at me |
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Follow the Followup link. I wrote the meaning as part of my first reply in this topic. |
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earthleakage , are you serious? i do not feel like i post "imflammory bollocks". i certainly don't mean to :( |
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but there is a distinct difference between programmed responses ie animal instict and human conciousness buti wil presume you are playing devils advocate |
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;D |
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"satre is lame" with no backup no explanation just some pathetic dismissal id expect from a 9 year old |
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I ask you - what is death - what is mortality?? What is it that "animals" are aware of? |
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no, thats called a primal instinct of survival. think of it as a newborn babie screaming from pain - from then on it is conditioned into avoiding that pain - therefore, life is a direct result of fear. Animals don't have the intelligence to realise that existence comes before essence. maybe you'd like submit a valid point now and again? |
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Animals don't always rely on instinctive behaviour. They are capable of learning from situations and altering behaviour patterns based on that learning. They are capable of deciding what is the best opinion from multiple options in different circumstances. A lot of studies have been done on Dolphins who are far more advanced than simple creatures who rely on instinctive reactionary behaviour. |
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that was directed at ecnadniarb . |
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Dolphins die. How advanced can you get - right? They learn and then they die. Pretty complelling evidence. Master - enlighten me. |
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Maybe you would like to learn what the word essence means? You again are assuming animals are far more inferior to humans than they actually are. |
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you're still talking about instincts!!! fucking hell |
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No fucking answers. typical. |
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You are saing other animals aren't self aware? Sorry maybe I have a wrong perception of the phrase self-awareness. I was referring to reflection, to the ability (or inevitability)(inate or culturally induced...the subject is quite blurry) to dissect one's self physically or philosophically. The ability to shunt necessity and look beneath it. The ability and need to analyze everything. People that dig too deep often face paradoxes etc etc but I'm not discussing the practical use of such a situation. I am saying that 'Hey it is here and it is something we have to face because it does get in the way some times but it also can prove benevolent even temporarily'. I can see certain analogies with animal behaviour but this is the main trait that has made the human cultural evolution to flourish. Animal cultural evolution is extremely slow because it is an immediate reflection of their biology. Of course humans could be described by the same equation as the rest of the universe with different variables. That doesn't make man special in any way. It doesn't make a difference whether man is in fact a breeding machine or stopped being that in the process. He is still a slave to the strict laws of the universe. I don't hate rich boys it is also rather amusing the way you immediately associated priviledges with monetary worth which was actually not what I meant at all. I am sorry that I was presumptuous and all but I have been a witness to similar situations that were result of racial and social odium. The rest you said in your second point would take about 5 hours to argue upon. |
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i would include all of that in basic low level behaviour but that certainly doesnt constutute conciousness just because you can condition an animal or the fact its able to learn simple tasks |
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And what do humans do that is different? You are typing rubbish now. Maybe it would be better if you quit trying to type anything as your only possible valid input stopped after about your first 5 posts. |
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Sorry that was a followup to empiricus :D |
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err yeah what he said :) |
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Sure, you are assuming humans are "animals" - so what? You and every anthropologist. |
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What? Say it again motherfucker. |
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it just means i do not particularly like the guy and his thoughts that's all. if you are such an observer earthleakage then you might have noticed i have said many times i don't get into discussions that i find could take time on a mb. i don't know why you feel i was being snappy and then snapped back.... it was just obvious what i meant... i obviously understand you quite like mr Jean Sol "it was all a joke" Partre. i would gladly talk more about this "total intellectual" but i'm well tired and will check this thread tomorrow... |
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Sartre NAUSEA |
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"And what do humans do that is different?" the ability to question their own existence!!!!! for fuck sake |
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i wouldnt bother. yet again you presume i have a bias towards satre's work just because i said your reply was worthless. there's no point in continuing discussion with you on this subject on any level. |
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I hate everyone. Including myself. |
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what are you talking about? is jean paul satre the only philosopher on the planet worth mentioning? clearly you have a limited scope on philisophy and are hence no better than a puny insect |
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And how is human behaviour different? Everything is about conditioning. You wouldn't have the thought processes you have now if it wasn't for the conditioning in your past. As for animals, chimps and monkeys are not human and yet they display most of the behaviour we do. Again mentioning dolphins, they are capable of a lot more than simple tasks. As for understanding the question of self evaluation of existance, how do you know it is a purely human trait? Other animals commit suicide, why? We don't know yet. We may never know. But because we don't know yet doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Keep an open mind. Lets not forget that a lot of the philosophical texts predate modern science. It was only in the 20th century that humans realised that the man didn't fire the baby into the woman to grow (I kid you not). The world was once flat. With knowledge coes greater understanding of what is around us. The more knowledge we have gained from observing our surrounding the less important it has shown us to be. Anyway I need sleep :D I'll see you all tomorrow. |
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*satire* |
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i know you can answer all your own questions with the same answers i would so i won't bother answering them! |
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I kinda like Kierkegaard, just becaue he was totally nuts. My prof. is writting a book on him and his work - so you may what to check it out. Her name is Sheridan Hough. |
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