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the most ridiculous charge leveled against philosophy is that it's useless, which to me seems akin to accusing bananas of being yellow. i wouldn't dream of arguing that philosophy contributes somehow to the betterment or social welfare of humanity as such. i could care less about the welfare of humanity, and lesser still about contributing to it somehow by building bridges or curing asthmatics or whatever -- i find philosophy acutely pleasurable both in and of itself and through the shimmering aura it imbues such things as cinema or literature. as an added bonus, in most western countries it is possible to make a decent living professing philosophy if one is sufficiently diligent at it (which i am) -- undoubtedly owing to the gullibility of the masses that think philosophy ought to be good for something. if our energy is spent in providing utility for fellow humans, we have typically done so at the cost of our aesthetic refinement, and at the end we still have done nothing to grant this life any value whatsoever -- which i think explains why suicide and depression are skyrocketing in countries where standard of living is highest. go forth whore yourself to humanity. you will find her an ungrateful master and an excruciating dull one at that -- i'd rather been playing with useless things. |
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Platon - The rest is pretty much the same |
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"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. Q.E.D.." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
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I study philosophy.. HI! |
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Monoid said Platon - The rest is pretty much the same too bad whitehead already said that :( I don't really think that philosophy is useless Ideas, paradigms do have an effect on the world |
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And how can you make money with it ? Start your own religion...hihihi |
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Working at mcdonald... You really need to take such a life style with philosophy... |
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"The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato" hey iroel, you seem fairly well read.. what/where do you study? |
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you don't study philosophy, you practice philsophy. |
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thus spake earthleakage |
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spoke? |
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In october I'm going to start my second year in philosophy at the University of Pisa |
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i did a minor, but i missed it by one class. if (when) i go back i am going to do a major in psych and philosophy. |
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icedcream, plankton, boomsling, rabbit and wednesday. philosophy is the study of your reaction to these words. |
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icedcream? didn't like that word. |
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I apologise for being rather a wanker in this thread. Albeit 3 months ago. I blame the alcohol. |
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cool :) i study philosophy at the university of british columbia and right now i'm in a break in the middle of italian class... |
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(western) philosophy has come to an end ... it is a vestige. |
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i'd better warn you lot i've started reading plato's republic again |
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None of you are qualified to have an opinion until you have read "Being and Nothingness" by Jean Paul Satre. All the way through. yes, all of it. oh yes. |
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i've read roughly almost all of being and nothingness by sartre and i would have to ask you 'what's so great about jp sartre's neurotic, bitter rantings, likely influenced by his upbringing and his wwII p-o-w experiences?' his book is interesting but at the same time it isn't that illuminating - id say beauvoir supersedes him in intellectual creativity and discourse by a longshot. he's just an angry little french dood with a lazy eye. that is all. and for those people who posted earlier in this thread about philosophy being a useless degree and/or field of study compared to other degrees, i beg to differ - i know of people with degrees in engineering and in computer science that are on the borderline of being homeless. any slightly open-minded and pragmatic person would realize that getting a degree, whether it be in fine arts, computer science, engineering, philosophy, etc. will result in the graduate becoming an unhappy, 'useless' drone in the working world, unless they figure out a plan. usually that plan will have NOTHING to do with your major. if you expect to get a degree in this day and age and get a decent career right at the snap of a finger, then you're dreaming. you have to either know people in the industry you want to get into, or you have to do your own thing - luck is seldom present. consequently, people with ANY degree are equally 'useless' if they don't know how to build their skills in the work world up. |
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I'm not sure about philosophy degrees / career prospects and i'm sure-as-god nowhere near qualified to make any kind of statement about how "useful" (what a ridiculous concept) it is. I regret the thoroughly generalizing wank i was spouting in this thread all those months ago. What i do know is that a degree in fine art leading to a career as a full-time artist depends 99% on luck, the whims of rich collectors and how "fashionable" your work looks. Planning a less frivolous career in art basically revolves around getting a post-grad teaching qualification. That's it. |
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In italy we philosophy majors can get teaching position in High Schools... As history/philosophy professors... |
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yay! |
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If that yay is in regard to my expressions of regret for previous ignorant nonsense, then yes! If that yay is in regard to the career prospects for my current career path, then no! The funny thing is, EVERY art student thinks they're going to be that one in a hundred. We're a bunch of deluded fucks for sure. |
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