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I am aware that my grammar was horrible in my last post. |
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my AS flatmate is locked in his own personal hell of routne and structure - the less noise the better. And yes... "noisey" music and the oustide world amount to the same thing. sometimes i play my badly recorded AFX live at ATP2003 and he flips out completely. its fun. right now i'm listening to Fourtet live and i know James would hate it but its exactly beacuse it has that human, organic element that i love it. at the moment he's getting big into online porn and chat sites. He'll never know the joy of a real woman oustide of a financial contract. Its so fucking sad its a killer really- i have to move out soon just so i don't witness this. I don't know which is worse - missing the music or relationships. |
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hi vletr, thanks for replying to my mindless vehemence. I'll basically follow your numbering. 0) I said basically. anyway, by interesting I think you mean "I am uncomfortable calling you belligerent and stupid outright, so I'll employ the adjective people use to indicate either avoidance or unawareness of truth [you wanted the former of course]" 1) Sorry I jumped all over the place because of this. 2) Well I think you could have trimmed the formal talk (keep that to your papers!) and gotten to what you find _really_ interesting there, but you got into it eventually in subsequent posts so.. 3) Yes yes, there's crazy amounts of research going on into both the psychology and physiology of specialized areas of the brain. I merely played devil's advocate because through it all I still view these as subordinate addons if you will to a person's raw computational power (which, by the way, is being shown more and more in recent studies to have certain similarities to computer architecture--not only do we have clearly split long and short term memory (old news), but also something akin to cpu cache (though much smaller in proportion to the memories than computer cache is to its ram and hard drive)). 4) I can't believe I said pertinent and important right next to eachother. Tomorrow I embark on a campaign to receive a public execution, a rather horrid evisceration by huge sporks. |
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why dont you try to figure out musically why people like ae. |
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whats " musically " anyway? I don't think you can seperate acoustics from some sort of psychological aspect. |
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aesthetics, use of harmony, melody, rhythm, etc. Also comparing the origins and influences to other genres. |
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whoa, okay, this is damn cool. like this analysis, post here more! incredibly interesting; now that i think about it, most the people i know, into idm, do show signs of what's labelled as "asperger". i'm generally of the opinion such labels are bullshit, really; most people labelled with disorders like this i've found to be incredibly intelligent, interesting people. reactions back from others here, perhaps even myself, aren't going to be entirely accurate reflecting upon this; most the responses so far have indicated that we don't even /know/ why we like it. continue your research, please, i'd be all for something more conclusive. |
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exactly. |
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fair enough. but this thread is geared toward the perceptions of the listener as opposed to those quantifyable musical qualities. are female perceptions fundamentally different, musically speaking? They are in other aren't they? its a damn interesting debate people with AS's are and thats linked to their uber-maleness. |
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fuck i really must change this avatar. so painfully apt. sneakattack: response pending.... |
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mines the opposite <- |
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This is the most intresting thread here, ever.. |
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There was a similar survey performed on alt.music.autechre around the time of the release of Draft, and an AWFUL lot of fans of LPA were, in fact, male students of the hard sciences such as maths or programming. This is a good topic. |
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i am glad you posted this, and i do not think you are "digging to deep" in your attempts to analyse why people like certain abstract music more than others... i say it's cool that you've found an interesting application for your what you have learned in university, which is more than i can say for a lot of people... i am a third year student majoring in film studies and minoring in comparative literature, and i spend most of my time obsessing over art and abstraction.... i suppose it could be said that i was pretty good at math (back when i had to do it), but i'm not really interested in it at all, and i am incredibly disorganized... i think there's something to be said for a freudian approach to this subject (more on the art end of psychology)... i'm not sure how well such a strategy works when you stretch it backwards into more historically oppressive times, but now: the male gender role is much more performatively rigid than the female gender... it is okay for woman to wear pants, display mildly lesbian behaviour, work a male job, etc. of course, for the most parts these statements cannot be (at least not to the same extent) flipped vice versa for the male... freud and his followers speak of how art is a means of expressing or displacing the suppressed desires of the subconscious... you see where i'm going/have gone with this right (it's pretty entry level because i've never taken a psych course before and i'm just summarizing theory i learn about in lit theory classes)? i'm not sure i have the will to finish this argument... perhaps someone can pick it up for me? |
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i'd be interested to know what music they grew up listening to. perhaps all they parents records were scratched or something. |
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They were brought up by computers in a huge subterranean layer, which slowly broke over the span of 16 years before they were released to the world. Stalactites breaking, rocks rumbling, water dripping and hard drives crunching are the only sounds they know. I have officially been fired |
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sorry, i love more early AE then where they've been going as of late... the last album i liked of theirs was lp5. :D and unfortunately... i like cex more than AE now.... AE is soo cold on the personal side. Very impersonal methinks |
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<- i don't have the articulation to pick it up but that's a bloody interesting line of thought.... men having more rigid codes of behaviour. So you're saying that we replace this rigidity in ourt social lives with an apparently more artistic flair? Is this a case of "Women create life - men create art" argument? now i don't believe this as a fact at all but its an interesting opener to a level-headed debate isn't it? |
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AE is cold... always have been. |
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i don't find Ae cold at all its like a Noh play. In Japanese Noh theatre, all the characters wear rigid masks no matter what drama is going on. Because his seemingly unemotional visual element exists, the audience gets more wrapped up in whats going on - sort of replacing the lack of emotion with whatevers in their own heart. It creates a particularily intense feeling that I find also happens with Ae - seemingly cold but a catalyst for my own feelings....... |
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I'm a convicted car theif and I love autechre. However, all that has been typed is a pile of bullshit...you are basing your arguement on the fact that you are in awe of autechre and seem to think it takes some sort of ability/condition to be able to here what is fundementally more basic music than aphex/squarepusher/snares etc. etc. Autechre make brilliant music, but don't get into thinking that they are producing some mathmatical masterpeices though, because you are just buying into a myth. Kind Regards. Me. |
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no way |
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i study literature and philosophy and love ae. |
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I agree with you... and I dont like that but come one... autechre,s music is great I am a huge fan... but its not that complicated... is very simple I would say (simple in the best way) |
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As far as emotion goes...as the music is made by two males who have stated in the past they intend to make their music emotional, it just stands to reason that there will be a higher proportion of males who latch onto this aspect of the music. |
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the second part of my post was a follow up to the first post in this thread I AM NO AUTIST |
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update your recordbag for god´s shake |
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i dunno... but i've never felt a "personal" aspect in their music... like a message straight to the listener as i have with sq AFX boc etc... but that's just the feeling. I felt that from earlier AE e.g. Tri Repetea.... and LP5.... again though... thats the listener. What kind of personal feeling do you get from AE? |
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autechre are alright, but hugely overrated. there are many way better artists around, with even more abstract stuff, but at least they sound good :) |
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I can't be bothered :D I put Envane in there and got bored. Also a lot of the releases I have aren't in the discography. |
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your crusade is pointless. and repetative. and derivative (of dobbin). |
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somebody said they needed to give 100% attention to their stuff. i feel that too. i have to commit to it or else it loses me..(like a Noh or Beckett play)... and for the most part, its worth that extra stretch.... |
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not entirely pointless...looks like some people can't stand, me repeating myself. btw, dobbin is quite lazy dissing them lately, at least i haven't read anything from him in quite a while, so im keeping up the good work. |
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good read, buddy |
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Keyfumbler: Damn that's a fantastic analogy for Ae's music. Definitely gonna check out that Noh shit. I don't really have much time for the Freudian view of things, everything revolving around vague notions of symbolism. At least the systemising theory could, in principle, be proved by experimentation, even if only in a broad sense. Psychoanalysis is just navel gazing. Women create life - men create art" Yeah it is an interesting cue for a debate. Certainly there have been far fewer female artists of note in history than male artists of note. I think it's partly due to the argument espoused by feminists - women have always been forced into a subjugal gender role and are not given the opportunity to expand their creative skills. However I also think its partly down to our old friends, our genes. Evolutionary theory: sexual selection is the most important factor that has driven hominid evolution. We know (from mitochrondrial/Y chromosome line analysis, and from anthropology of isolated tribal communities) that perhaps 90% of fertile females would have offspring; conversely only 10-20% of males would. Those males that did had lots of offspring because they outcompeted the others (importance of male dominance hierarchies) and maintained a harem. Therefore: it pays off more for male genes to lead to risk taking behaviour than for female genes, because the gains are greater. I see creative behaviour as a fortuitous spin off of the 'risk taking' brain. (risk taking in terms of making an abnormal brain, not necessarily in terms of actual behaviour - i know this isn't very clearly explained!). The link between creativity and mental illness perhaps lends some evidence to this. Just my two pennies. |
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ecnadiarb: As far as emotion goes...as the music is made by two males who have stated in the past they intend to make their music emotional, it just stands to reason that there will be a higher proportion of males who latch onto this aspect of the music. plaid are also two males who i'm sure say they make emotional music. but i'd bet my humble possessions on more girls liking plaid than liking autechre. it's way more accessible. |
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Supposition is not fact. |
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plaid is pop music I love it |
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i thought that AE simply mathematical.... nothing more |
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so this is about why there arent more female listeners? i think its that females have hightened senses compared to males. im sure the noisier more erratic sounds would confuse and disorientate them a lot sooner than it would a male.. and im sure that if you looked at another extreme genre, say, black/death metal, im sure the proportions of male:female would be pretty similar... |
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what feelings I get from aes music? the one that I feel the most is sadness and nostalgy amber is beautifuly sad |
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aqgreed.... and i feel that vltremix and amber are very touching... but that's stilll old stuff... in the new tracks... i feel a great barrier between the listener and the maker. |
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perhaps that barrier is you trying too hard to like it... |
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Far from it. All ae's recent stuff is just as loop based as their earlier stuff, they are quite basic loops as well...then the added goodness comes in :D I agree with nacmat though...ae's major thing that appeals to me is the emotive aspect...if you don't get some sort of emotional feeling from it then it is just goig to sound wank. General typing shit: It's just a matter of taste...some people hate some food while others like them...going further...some people will like a certain type of pasta based dish while someone who likes pasta equally as much will detest it...would you say that the person who dislikes it has a less refined pallet? That seems to be a partial implication in this topic. |
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after that... i've NEVER tried to like it............. |
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right. whatever. |
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yeah, the ae stuff that really gets me is generally the chord based or pad based stuff... ie: vl al 5, squeller (my fav ae track of all) & cap iv are just some examples of what i think are extremely emotional tracks. |
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Yeah well we are robots so suck it shrink! Nobody is examining shemale brains. And waht about girl/boy song which is for girl and a boy? It is because it is not feminine to be into technology. A stupid stereotype that dominates American culture. It is stupid because females are more suited to solve difficult math problems. But skill must exibit practice and must be nurtured or will rot and become useless. |
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i honestly don't think this topic is going down the "you don't listen to it coreectly" route. I think its a fairly well balanced discussion on a particular music that is quite abstract really. i know other threads have gone waay too petty about it but this one is a bit more ....... level-headed and addresses something a lot of us feel about Ae - difficult, seemingly cold, yet highy emotive. lets keep it that way |
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Anything after 98 can suck my gonads |
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