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er, I mean, a few comments. I'm retarded |
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it's not FOR making music, it's for server use (no matter what those bastards at redhat and mandrake say) |
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Hi, when I said I've used it for 10 years, I meant solely, so all desktop needs satisfied. There definitely are interesting sound packages, like pd and csound.. |
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on that note.. I'm using a 386 as a dedicated full screen clock in my loungeroom |
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Seen on a bumper sticker: LINUX IS ONLY FREE IF YOUR TIME IS WORTHLESS |
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and for those of you who are unclear on the pronunciation of linux it is said like: line-ucks not lin-ucks as some people seem to mistakenly think. The reason it is said as line-ucks is because the guy who created Linux is called Linus Torvalds, and he named with a word hybridization of UNIX and his name, Linus. And his name is pronounced line-us |
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really bugs me when people get anal about this. What you are talking about comes from a very old and humorous .au file (IIRC) you can find on ftp.kernel.org. anyway, it's been a while. I've met linus; trust me you can pronounce it lin-ucks. oh and for trivia value, original title idea was freax |
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i didn't know that the original title was gonna be freax. some guys in my girlfriend's Music Tech class were talking about how Linux is crap because it's ancient. lol!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I'm beggining to think the anti linux people are just as bad as the people that push linux... Linux nerd: "I'm so leet because I use linux" anti linux geek: "if you use linux we will hate you and call you stupid for using linux because we hate the linux nerds" now that I know taht both sides have idiots, I can make a decision without predjudice I might just give it a try..... |
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no big surprises there, then. I mean, this is what happens when you have two camps. |
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http://ftp.redhat.com/ the site says I can download it free from this ftp, but what exactly am I supposed to download, where is the installer, and what are the important files? |
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I've been looking into linux faqs for a few hours,.. looks like hardware is going to be the main bitchs to set up |
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not true--modern distributions autodetect things very nicely. You may be wondering "well how do I know what hardware is supported and what isn't? I don't have time to wade through 3000 webpages". well there's an easy solution. There's a bootable CD called 'knoppix', which you can pop into your CD drive and boots up linux (doesn't use hard drive at all, let alone install). I used it recently to take care of my computer when the hard drive fried. It accessed a USB memory stick, ethernet card, gfx hardware etc. etc. etc. without me having to do anything. anyway, worth checking out--just google for knoppix. I think 3.2 is the newest version; just d/l and burn. Great way to check out linux if interested, without hassle of disk fuckery |
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by the way, if you want up to date redhat, look into 'fedora core'--that's what you want to get. just snag ISO (cd disc images), and burn them. the installation is easy. suse and mandrake are also very easy to use. debian and gentoo are very popular among developers right now; I use debian. |
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it appears my roomate has a copy of mandrake |
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I've got a vcopy of Knoppix and it boots up well quickly. Only did it the once though. Could be useful. |
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it's very useful, but i guess my recommendation was ignored.. |
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I may download it again for my new computer as it's worth having a backup plan :D |
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I'm telling you it's a life saver in those situations. and it can save settings to any removable media, so I was having it temporarily store session data on the USB ram stick.. very slick. It also came in handy when I reinstalled debian (when my hard drive died, a reading head smashed (the laptop fell hard), and luckily I got all of /home, but lots of /usr was fucked, so I just reinstalled), the install was missing a driver for my ethernet card, so I used knoppix to download and build a kernel and then used that kernel to finish the install. I've used lots of rescue discs and CDs but this is a few orders of magnitude better. |
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Sweweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! Def getting the latest copy then :D |
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Have you used that version that fits on a single floppy disk (cleverly formatted to 1.7, rather than 1.44) and actually has loads of recent drivers (most single disk distros have bare minimum of generic drivers)? I forget the name, but it's somthing like "Tom Thumb". I know a couple of forensics people who just use that single disc for all their work and just save the session data to memory sticks like you said. |
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I've use tom's 'rtbt' in the past to do shit, but much prefer a more modern approach like have a business-card sized disc and a memory stick to do everything. they make memory stick's large enough to make it really comfortable--while I was depending on it for 3 days I was coding using it, and even had tri repetae++ disc 2 and confield on there, along with the essential session shit =) there are lots of knoppix based live CDs now.. I think there's supposed to be a damned good one that is chock full of forensic tools.. sorry I can't remember it. I bet it's excellent depending on it 100% like your friends do. It's really nice using the CD+USB stick combo--you feel fleet-footed (or something. what the hell am I talking about?). anyway, it's just nice knowing that you can plug in anywhere and do your shit. |
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Yeah, that's the one "tom's root boot" something or other :) "It's really nice using the CD+USB stick combo--you feel fleet-footed (or something. what the hell am I talking about?). anyway, it's just nice knowing that you can plug in anywhere and do your shit." Yeah they said they used to take laptops, but it's so much cooler just turning up with your "gear" in your jacket pocket! |
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if you purchase a copy of Linux from a store, they usually come with a bootable CD filesystem anyways. and yes, I know what you're all gonna say - "What the fuck is the point of buying it when you can download it for free?" Because if you buy it from a store, in proper packaging, you get loads of hard copy manuals, and you get support from the company who made the distribution |
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Yeah support is the main thing, plus until the past few years (in the uk at least), broadband was so rare that it was actually cheaper to spend £50 on a boxed copy of linux rather than £100 worth of phone calls DLing 2/3cd sized distros ;) It's worth bearing in mind that the support can be time-limited from date of purchase (eg 90 days for Definate Linux), so try to get on the case straight away and not leave it till you can spare the time (like I did) and let your support time expire. |
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Fdisk doesn't detect the linux partition. Don't you think I tried that? I found a site that said installing Windows after Linux was completely possible. I can't seem to find the page again, though, 'cause Google is suddenly FLOODED with porn sites. |
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advantage - not written by microsoft disadvantage - sounds like something out of a snoopy cartoon |
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yeh that's usually the standard, 90 day support. but at least you get all the manuals in hard copies :) anyways, you're definitely right about the whole broadband vs dialup thing....it is better to just download it on a high speed connection |
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you're not doing it right it's not a primary partition, and it's not a DOS extended partition |
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and i'm telling you that you CANNOT install Windows after installing Linux, unless you wanna go fucking around installing lilo again (the linux bootloader) |
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Ok, then the site was wrong, and I did something wrong. How do I get Fdisk to detect the partition, then? I have to put the HD back into my machine and do it from there. |
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from fdisk, choose option 3, then choose option 4 that will allow you to delete a Non DOS partition |
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but make sure that you run fdisk /mbr first to get rid of any bootloader in the master boot record :) |
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damn its been a while since i booted up MS-DOS in Virtual PC! lol |
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and that will remove any bootloader in the master boot-record on that HD, or will that affect my own computer as well, as I need to do it in that? |
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if i had an internet connection on my home pc i'd have linux, but since i haven't i use win xp (games <3 ) but i'd prefer os x to both of them |
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ooh, wait don't do fdisk /mbr on your own hard drive put the hard drive that has linux on, back into your bros case and use a boot up floppy disk and use fdisk from that no you're right - you don't wanna delete your own mbr sorry i hadn't clarified that |
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ah, but that´s one of the problems: boot disks doesn´t work when the HD is in that computer. Not windows/dos, nor linux. Only get "I/O error," so I have to do it from my own computer. I´m trying to access it through a friends machine (a portable mac and using ssh), so that I can backup everything and delete the linux partition. The problem is that I have to set-up a ftp-server on my computer and then we have to ssh into it and hope that the linux-files will show up. if not I´ll have to remove the partition without backup, but will it be a problem if I don´t remove the mbr? Is that something that is connected to the computer instead if the HD itself? |
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basically the MBR is the part of the hard drive that has the boot loader for your operating system. If you have a Windows system, the Windows boot loader will be in the MBR. If you have installed a Linux system, there will be lilo. If you're getting I/O error on your bros computer, either his floppy drive is knackered, or the boot disk is. You could try just getting rid of the Linux partition on the hard drive (using fdisk in the usual way to get rid of a partition) and then try installing windows on the entire drive - I'm not too sure if Windows will overwrite whatever MBR is there, hopefully it will :) By the way, when you type "fdisk /mbr" there is no output from that command - in other words, it doesn't say something like "MBR Restored" or something like that, ok? |
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yeah, well, I need to backup my brothers files first. There are some important stuff in there. We tried using ftp, but that didn't work, so now we're going to try SSH. Hopefully, the server/client won't care if the filesystem is linux or windows. If not, my brothers files will be lost. nah, the diskette-station isn't broke either.. it says I/O error with the cdrom and the dvdstation as well, and I know they work. |
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ah! fuckin' fixed it! had to do some debug-shit in dos. had to write some lines.. just like on the good ol' commodore64! Finally this shit is off my (brothers) computer! |
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I just got a used computer I bought with no operating installed on it (apparently it's illegal to sell used computers with operating systems or something). Well on a label on the computer it says "designed for windows 98/nt". I guess that's a fact since when trying to install windows 95 (the only one I have now), scandisk made me change lots and lots of file names (maybe w95 uses some different naming format or something) and after finally doing that, it didn't work. |
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that "Designed for Windows 98/NT" sticker has bugger all to do with the hard drive inside the machine - it's talking about the graphics card, sound card, motherboard, any NIC's that are on you ISA or PCI bus. if you bought it with no operating system on the machine, there wouldn't be any files on the hard drive at all, therefore scandisk wouldn't be able to find any files to change. something weird is going on there mate |
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Advantages: - Stable. VERY stable. - Highly customizable - Open source programs all over the place, for free - Very powerful standard tools for development - Geek points Disadvantages: - Takes an enormous time to learn - Takes a lot of time troubleshooting problems - Takes a lot of damn time... There are tons of music programs out there for Linux, just not the standard one's you're used to. Well, except Final Scratch... and I'd imagine some of the mac specific music programs can be ported over somehow. Anywho, troubleshooting problems in linux can be a nightmare. You can, without a whole lot of effort, screw your system up beyond repair and need to reinstall. That being said though, you CAN fix the problems by yourself, which you can't really do in windows (where you just reboot and pray). It's incredibly rewarding to get the computer working again. Lately though the OS has become much more user friendly, especially the installation process. You get a pretty much default setup right out of the box and can customize it quite nicely to fit your needs and your system (kernel compiling is a pain in the ass, but well worth the effort in my opinion). Just decide how much time you can devote to learning it and if that time would be better spent learning more about the music programs you already have |
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about porting Mac music programs to Linux, it'd be impossible - they either use Cocoa or Carbon libraries - either way, they're Macintosh specific and aren't available for any other operating system except Macintosh. and also Linux files don't have metadata like Mac files do :) |
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I have very little know how, yet am trying to wing it. Here's what happened so far: made bios start from drive a, turned it on and used boot disk, tried to "setup" win95 but it said I need some partition or something, so actually managed to get fdisk to work (whadaya know, just type "fdisk") and made a "primary dos partition" that was 9782 Mbytes, tried "setup" win95 again but prompted I needed more bytes or some shit.. so I took a wild guess and and tried "format c:".. I guess there was stuff on it cuz it formated stuff, finally "setup"win95 worked now (I guess enough bytes were free from the format or soemthing), then... hmm oh yeah, scandisk started checking stuff and added stuff I thought I needed, apparently it started scanning over because of the additions but then prompted to rename a bunch of the files (like 300 of them- I had to hit "f" for fix for every one (I positioned a book on a marker over the f key and let it go)).. um, there was one error it couldn't fix- some windows naming error or something, then it started the win95 setup (the mouse started working), then it prompted that there was some reason it couldn't work I forget what. Ta daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! That was very interesting huh? |
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