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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-22 16:30 [#01002195]
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probably because you are russian. i have a russian friend here, and everyone thinks he is loud and crude and obnoxious but it is mostly because of his accent and cultural upbringing. He is actually quite a swell guy and one of my best friends.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-22 16:30 [#01002197]
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woops,
you're polish sorry
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-22 16:30 [#01002198]
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im polish not russian.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-22 16:31 [#01002202]
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btw, i felt that hate to eastern europe people when i was in Scotland
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-22 16:31 [#01002203]
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yeah, sorry, bout that.. you just remind me a lot of my good russian friend. :P
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-22 16:32 [#01002205]
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and the question was after earthleakage post. just look at it...
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-22 16:33 [#01002206]
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don't feel bad. The Scots hate everyone.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-22 16:35 [#01002208]
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heh - i felt it also in UK
its just strange how could this come - coz for me theres no specific reasons...
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-22 16:36 [#01002209]
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well i don't hate you hyakusen. If you come to seattle, we can drink some of that bison grass vodka and eat pickles!
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-22 16:37 [#01002212]
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sure we wil do , mate if i only be able to get to seattle
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-22 16:44 [#01002216]
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Well I'm out of Reasons then. I blame the areas you went to.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-22 16:45 [#01002219]
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Tonyfish,
The Royal family actually don't get a lot and you're being quite naive believing that you take the Royal Family off the Civil List and then suddenly it will release a huge of funds - the difference it would make would literally be a drop in the ocean.
The fact that as you put it Health, Education etc are bad and inefficiently managed is down to the government policy and lack of hardline managerial experience themselves. I try not to be patronising to people but it is bloody hard because I often feel what people say is just purely emotional and really has little or no ground in the first place. Yes people are entitled to their opinions but doesn't mean I have to agree with them.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-22 16:49 [#01002224]
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"We could be heroes!
Just for one day"
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-12-22 16:57 [#01002248]
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He should be 'sainted' for the Laughing Gnome.
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Rambling Madman
from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-22 17:05 [#01002265]
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Good for him
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2003-12-22 17:14 [#01002277]
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I thought the queen owned everything?
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thethirdball
from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2003-12-22 17:32 [#01002322]
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I know this is somewhat insensitive but whatever. Being a colonist, I guess I don't understand why the class mentality in Britain is worth preserving. I really believe in meritocracy. Although it could be argued that the knighthood in question is an example of meritocracy, more generally I dislike the respect that is given to birthright in Britain. It, no doubt, occurs here too - but less so.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-22 17:32 [#01002324]
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You're joking right?
The Queen is worth about £50m. Wealthy for sure but certainly a long way off the richest people in England let alone the world.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-12-22 17:34 [#01002327]
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Yes you are right there of course. It's just the fact that these worthless individuals are financially worth so much which irritates me but then again one could say the same for many others. I find the monarchy completely pointless and strongly believe that it should be abolished. I could come up with more arguments but I'm tired and I have to get up early tomorrow so I'm going to bed :)
nanight
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dan7250
from Osaka (Japan) on 2003-12-22 17:45 [#01002338]
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bowi is rock and roll i like him.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-12-22 18:09 [#01002374]
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In what way does the honour system differ and...... in what way is it the same?
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2003-12-22 18:13 [#01002378]
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tommorow ok ? i will make special thread for that coz youre noit the first person who ask about it
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-12-22 18:15 [#01002380]
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ok.. I'll noit ask you until after moon drops.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-22 18:19 [#01002387]
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the point is - why accept an accolade from an institution you don't believe in?
jagger seems at ease with the idea of the royal family - so let him take his knighthood.
benjamin zephanaia doesnt feel as though the institution represents him or his interests, so he refused.
same for bowie i guess. john lennon accepted his accolade from the royal family, then returned it some time later in protest about an aspect of british politics he strongly disagreed with.
surely, people offered an accolade should be entitled to turn it down if they feel that the institution presenting it run contrary to their personal politics/ideals?
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-12-22 18:24 [#01002393]
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so basically, what you're saying is: yap yap yap, yappety yappety yap
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-22 18:29 [#01002402]
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yippity yapp yapp yip yapp yap..
it's all anybody here says anyway.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-12-22 18:33 [#01002409]
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I'm playing devils advocate.
How important is the Norweigen language? Not important at all? you're speaking english to communicate with others. Let's abolish Norweigen, it's obsolete. + it sounds boring.
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-12-22 18:35 [#01002414]
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I couldn't agree more!
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-22 18:37 [#01002416]
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how important are doggy cheerleaders?
if you want your team to win, the answer is: "very important" i rekkon.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-12-22 18:39 [#01002420]
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Are you asking me to do a doggy cheer?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-12-22 18:41 [#01002425]
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I wasn't being Evil! I know the benefits of the monarchy and the downfalls, it's just the way we do things in england....
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-22 18:46 [#01002431]
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i shall call on you when my team is in need...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-23 01:49 [#01002757]
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Some other refuseniks click here
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-23 01:50 [#01002760]
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I'll try again
click here
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-23 01:51 [#01002761]
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Bollox
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpolitics/story/0,3605,111 1582,00.html
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-12-23 05:59 [#01002932]
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Fantastic, another ill advised demand to get rid of the monarchy:
fact- The monarchy cost the average briton 56p a year in tax
fact- They bring in many times that amount of money to the country through tourism.
Also, whilst it's largely a matter of opinion as to whether they would exercise it, the monarchy do have a hell of a lot of power- more than leaders of any other country bar a few dictatorships. The fact that the queen does not regularly exercise these rights is irrelevant. That they are there and can be called upon in time of need is what matters. If the governement ever did try to really (and I mean really- as in "proper" 1984 type population control) control the population far more than was neccessary, the monarchy could prevent it. The fact that they have near limitless power and vast amounts of wealth means they are a lot less bribeable (what could possibly tempt them? They have everything already...) than corporations, politicians, etc.
I really do laugh to myself every time I hear a leftist demand to get rid of the monarchy, when in actuality, they're the biggest defense against a police state that we have.
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