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i had to sit through a bit of that as a preview, and it hurt my eyes watching it. ugh |
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I will have to disagree with you on that one :) |
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I don't think people who've never seen the movie yet should comment! |
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I just felt upset at the end. It was an alright film but they built it up too much. There was Joel Silver talking about the bar being raised so high that no-one else would be able to achieve that level for years. Well that proved to be a lie. There was nothing that we hadn't seen in Matrix years before. They'd just refined it. I was expecting some truly awe inspiring imagery. Stuff that'd just blow your mind. Nothing did. It was just nice computer graphics. Stuff that Pixar bettered with Finding Nemo. That was imagery that blew my mind. Those jellyfish? Spot on! But back to The Matrix. It became a victim of it's own success and hype. If they'd just kept quiet and said "Yeah, we're doing two sequels. It's the continuation of the first one. There'll be some cool scenes and we're going to expand on the bullet-time stuff." That would've been the truth. Instead we got: "THESE films are gonna CHANGE the way that ALL films are gonna be made. We're gonna do stuff that no-one else will be able to top! You're not gonna believe your eyes when this film is released!" There was all the crap that Joel Silver talked about: There's gonna be a load of fights using swords (false there was a couple and even then not proper) There's this ending fight at the end of Reloaded. It's in a hall or mirrors type place. We've got bullet-time going mad there as well as some new techniques. (Did I miss this?) Everything will be explained. Revolutions will be the pay off. Reloaded is the exposition. But revolutions will make it all clear. (Ermmm, they explained yes but not properly. The just said. This happens, no reason why.) It's an alright film but let down by being hyped up too much. I still think they should've left it at the first film. That had a better script too. Lots of subtleties in that. These are just my opinions. |
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yes I agree giginger... although, I felt totally satisfied with Reloaded... even after all the hype, I was still amazed with it personally... but Revolutions was a bit of a let down for me... still, it was cool, and the trilogy as a whole kicks ass! the love story stuff seemed kind of stupid too... love stories in movies are great sometimes, but in a sci-fi action movie like this I don't want it... it didn't fit! |
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havent seen it yet... but I thought I shouldnt as I didnt like reloaded anyway if my friend jedi says its good (though its been proved that we have a very diferent film taste) I will give it a try as I have a friend who wants to see it... (my girlfriend already told me she wont go to see that movie) |
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well coz its ramadam out here its not coming till the 26th november same with kill bill. mmm the first one was the best but 2nd wasn't that great. Tribal sex scene very funny. music very shit. this was does look hench though i must say. anyone tell me what its like |
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yeah but joel silver is a producer. it's a producer's job to hype up their shit. |
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are you really from United Arab Emirates?? |
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I thought it was great. An excellent way to wrap up the trilogy. I like how they left alot up to you also. Not all questions have answers. |
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I thought it was great. An excellent way to wrap up the trilogy. I like how they left alot up to you also. Not all questions have answers. |
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i might go see this on thursday...maybe friday. i hope it's not shit, it can't be any worse than reloaded, right? |
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Which i think is a must in movies if you want the story line to be more accessable to viewers Also (IMO) i don't consider 2 and 3 different. It was just splitting up a long ass sequal. It picked up where the other one left off and nicely wrapped up the series. View it all as a whole. I think it works so well together! I found it fantastic! |
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yeah and it follows the philosophy theme as well because, like most religions, everyone has their own interpretation. at least that's what i read in some d00dz review at aintitcoolnews.com or something. |
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omg someone else on these forums know ofthe greatest web page on the universe? g et out.... :D |
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Oh do me a favour. I thought Reloaded was bearable, at least it had some depth. This film was utter shit, COMPLETE shit, anyone who thinks different well you're wrong. If you enjoyed it I hope you enjoyed the lobotomy the cinema thoughtfully decided to give you before you entered. |
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There's a fine line between hype and lies ;) |
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giginger, i couldn't agree with you more. I remember all that stuff SIlver said. Fatass. Oh well. we got jipped they made billions. Lets see what the brothers have in store for us next...and mr. silver, i bet it'll suck balls, b/c in fact they are the ones that suck balls. |
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giginger, i couldn't agree with you more. I remember all that stuff SIlver said. Fatass. Oh well. we got jipped they made billions. Lets see what the brothers have in store for us next...and mr. silver, i bet it'll suck balls, b/c in fact they are the ones that suck balls. |
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giginger, i couldn't agree with you more. I remember all that stuff SIlver said. Fatass. Oh well. we got jipped they made billions. Lets see what the brothers have in store for us next...and mr. silver, i bet it'll suck balls, b/c in fact they are the ones that suck balls. |
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Bit of a shame someone had to give away the ending on here. |
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ok fucktards, fresh from MSWORD, here is my theory on the matrix. my bad about the capital letters, its all ms word's doing. --- Dumb matrix theology 101: an informal guide to alternative views on the wankfest that is the matrix triology By mista sinicalyptical c-u-Next-Tuesday (I’m not going to necessarily write this in complete thoughts or sentences, so be warned) so basically, the centrifugal idea here is that the true “bad guys” in the matrix are the oracle and the architect. I have surmised this by simply looking at one simple thing about the movies: in the end, who truly gets what they want? So let’s take a look at that: Neo – sure he’s the people’s messiah or whatever, but he really just wants to chill and hook up with trinity. Bzzzt: sorry neo, you served someone else’s plans. The only reason that he was running around like an idiot in reloads and revs is because of the fucked up shit that agent smith did, not because he could do anything to free people from the tyrannical decency that is the matrix. so let’s move on. Agent smith – in M1, he just wanted to exist outside of the matrix because he hates humans and their world. Fair enough. He was programmed/told that this “THE ONE” guy could fuck it all up, or maybe not even that, but he just needed to stop him, get the zion mainframe codes, then once zion/free humans are gone, there’s no need for agents in the matrix because they can’t get out. BZZZZT. Sorry agent smith, as you found out at the end of the first matrix, you were just another pawn line neo in an overglorified cat and mouse game meant to convince the few rebels who didn’t accept the matrix that the machines reeeeeeeeally cared about their little superhero game, so we send this super-program after you to eliminate you. Oh and those codes you needed to get? Yeah, they mattered oh so much because they just decided to drill a big hole down to zion within 3-6 months of the first matrix. so essentially, he gets pissed off and his assault on the matrix is the only thing that can |
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so essentially, he gets pissed off and his assault on the matrix is the only thing that can really destroy it, likely because the machines never figured that another AI/machine would come after it, as it was meant to be invincible to the human mind. So he tries to destroy both all the humans and the matrix in one fell swoop, and he ultimately fails. So he doesn’t get what he wants. Morpheus – kind of boring, instead of wanting to peel the latex off of jada-pinkett-smith, like any self-respecting sunglassed guy in a suave trenchcoat would want to do, he genuinely wanted to free everyone. Welp, he didn’t. BZZZZT. Oracle/Architect: as was evidenced by the events of these movies, they wanted THE ONE to do his quest thing and basically reload the matrix, set everything back to normal, and render himself completely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. They’re the ones who made this damn matrix thing, and judging by what they both do, they get what they want because the matrix exists at the end of revs rather unscathed, with some supposed peace treaty shit there. Now I’ll go into the plotline, and please note, I’m not some superdork who knows all the details, so when you want to rebut my theory and go “WELL HOW DID NEO STOP THE MACHINES IN THE REAL WORLD?” “WHY DO THE MACHINES NEED NEO TO STOP SMITH?” I’m not going to give you PHD-caliber answers that whet your every dorkulation, nope, I’m just going to give you the gist of what I choose to believe in, and if you wanna work out the details to support or devalidate my theory, then go for it. Its likely that I wont listen to you either way =D So basically, the matrix 1 comes and goes, we all know what happens. Right before he’s set to get deleted, a very disgruntled agent smith is like “man, fuck this shit” because his whole existence was exposed to be completely meaningless. So he still hates all the humans, but now he hates the machines. Ever the pragmatist, smith decides to kill two birds with one stone: fuck up the matrix hardcore, kill the huma |
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kill the humans, fuck up the machines game, extract his revenge. This is why I love the character, I think he’s the realest guy in the movies.. he doesn’t bullshit you at all, and he gets quite witty by the end. Good job, hugo! Career role for ya. The oracle and architect have basically set up this “THE ONE” game for the ~30-100 people of zion, or however many there are, to convince them that they can actually do something about the world at hand, which you realize by the end of revs if you don’t get caught up in the perpetual stream of bullshit that the oracle streams. Everything about her is contrived: she’s set up to be a nice homely rotund black lady who’s so nice that she always feeds you when you stopped by. That wholesome image is perpetuated, and nowhere in any of the 3 movies does any of our supposed “heroes” question her even the slightest bit. Must be the cookies. The architect, however, is set up as a morose old white intellectual with an asshole complex, which makes him seem like a “bad guy”, but in the end, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE ORACLE AND ARCHITECT ARE CHILLIN IN THE MATRIX, they’re on the same team, but set up with entirely different images to make everyone believe that they’re not in this together, but oh yes they are. See, the quest they wanted neo to do would have resulted in a circular path, a cycle if you will, and any computer dork knows that computers “process” , or better yet “think” in clock cycles. So essentially, this little superhero game is an innocuous ploy that convinces humans that they can make a difference, but in the end they really cant and they set it up like they did something meaningful and just go on again. The only problem is that an AI/machine, smith, has decided to fuck up the matrix. this never happened in the previous 5 or 6 one cycles, so this is an entirely new problem for them which is actually problematic, as it could kill lots of people, fuck up their power supply, etc. Now I don’t want to sit here and meander into details as to why they need neo to hoo |
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neo to hook up with smith so they can flush the energy through him and “delete” him, but they do, and that’s just the way that it is. Merovingian is a cool guy.. I think, personally, he was like the first or second one, he did the little oracle game, saw absolutely nothing change (despite this issue being treated like it’s the most amazing life-altering quest), he managed to avoid deletion and hang out, and he’s spiteful cuz he realized just how meaningless this giant quest the oracle put him on was, he prolly lost his original girlfriend (who knows if it was Persephone, either way, I’d still hit that =) and every time the matrix reloads he has to stave deletion and build up his little world full of cronies, thugs, and ladies all over again. So when neo and crew come through with their plan, he’s not that evil, he’s just like “man fuck that hoe” thinking about the oracle, and tries to stop neo, maybe even to help him cuz he realizes that neo’s going to likely get his heroic wound (the blindness) and lose his woman (trinity) when it’s all said and done, and absolutely nothing will change in the grand scheme of things. So basically this whole thing goes on, smith is the only real threat to the matrix, and thanks to orders/advice from the oracle, neo does it, loses his girlfriend, gets blinded, “dies” or whatever the hell happens to him at the end, and the matrix ends up exactly like it was, maybe with a coating of armor-all on it, and the oracle and architect have what they want; a functioning matrix. Realistically, if this theory is true, the morals/preaching of the film tell you that machines are always going to win. It’s kind of like driving a car. We humans think we’re the master of the human/car tandem because we’re telling it where to go, but in the end, the car is the thing that’s going, you’re just in it for the ride.. maybe that’s not the best, but in the end, humans will never wholly be able to escape the world of machines that they’ve created, even tho a few radicals think there’s a chance, the |
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even tho a few radicals think there’s a chance, the machines are always going to have us thinking that we’re more free than we are.. I mean, shit anarchy comes tomorrow, we’re burning computers and destroying a government, tell me, are you going to multiply 388325432 x 4325434363 by hand or with a calculator? They’re more convenient, and realistically, getting deeper, the message is that the technology we’ve created has trapped us in a “virtual world” that we’ll never escape from, even when we try. TVs, phones, computers, cars, these are all things that have indelibly made our world what it is today, and even the best efforts to re-humanize ourselves will fall short because the monotonous, cyclic, and ultimately more practically productive machines make a better world for us than we can make for ourselves. The humans in the matrix’s world destroyed the world trying to stop the machines, so the machines hook them up with a virtual world that’s so much better than the real world… so even when the crazy few, the zionites or whoever, “succeed” in stopping agent smith, stand up to the machines, strike a “truce” in the end the matrix is still there, the architect and oracle are buddy/buddy, and the whole peace thing is really a nice idea, but over time, everyone will realize that the machines are still calling the shots. See one lsat thing, I think there’s much symbolism with the architect and oracle being in the last scene of revolutions. If you didn’t catch the obvious hints that they’ve been in cahoots since day one (the father/mother of the matrix thing from reloads), showing them together at the end solidifies the fact that they’re in this together, set up as opposite prophets: the oracle is good (the nice homely black grandma who feeds you, I mean, why would she lie to you? She’s so nice, and look, those cookies are delicious) and the architect is bad (you have no choices, you’re going to do this, hope is pathetic, monotony, destiny, and everything will win) and realistically they’re both right, as when you be |
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didn't you make some kind of dramatic exit..? |
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heh, what a waste of time. |
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realistically they’re both right, as when you believe what they say, if you do what one says or the other, you still end up in the same damn exact spot: where you started. A cycle. Which is how machines think, operate, and go about their lives. so by showing htem both together at the end, talking, you see that realistically, they both were out for the same cause, but had different methods of doing so with the humans… in the end, it’s just a giant cycle, and no matter how great you think an individual human mind can be in the name of restoring humanity to the world: we simply have changed the world forever with machines, and they’re always going to win out because we simply depend on them too much when compared to how we were, say, 300 years ago. So that’s the matrix in my book. Flame on if you think I’m a moronic fucktard, but I assure you, believing this makes the matrix so much cooler than it is on the surface, so I hope im right. ---------------------------------------- written by "sinicalyptical cunt" ( from watmm) I hope that clears some stuff up for the matrix haters who don't know jack about the trilogy. |
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The extreme lengths some people will go to to justify a crappy movie. |
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THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE BALL LICKERS! |
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I think the Matrix would live up such an explanation if it were stripped of its 'cool'... |
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HATED this comercialized pieece of CRAP |
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I've read all of that and disagree entirely. |
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Your location is better than Reloaded and Revolutions combined :D |
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Not a hard feat admittedly :) |
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i read that review too. |
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no, you're wrong. haHA! |
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Matrix 3 easily makes the top 5 in worste movies ever fucking created... and i've seen alot of movies. How anybody can sit through this pig shit and not laugh every 5 minutes at some of the worste dialogue/storyline ever to make it past tv movie. If the rest of the full theatre wasn't laughing with me most of the time it would have seriously effected my respect for the general viewing audience. There is absolutely nothing good about this movie asside from the mediocre fight scenes....nothing. B+??? C+??? They should of had neo and trinity fuck and make this a softcore porn. Trash. pure unadulterated trash. Ive never left a movie so angry in my entire life. I hope the Wakowski brothers burn in hell |
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You who enjoyed Matrix Revolutions are the ones who are the ball lickers |
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Mmmmm, balls feel so good against my tongue! |
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as i pointed out before, this is |
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i was pissed, there was no preview for ROTK! i dont really know what to say about this movie... i like closure to open endings, there wasn't really much expectation when i went into the theatre... the trinity death scene is a little played out |
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hamlets death scene is shorter |
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lol, love that review! |
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Ive never left a movie so angry in my entire life. ha har. sucker. there goes your 8 bucks admission.. tool. |
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