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offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-11-20 14:17 [#00958766]
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music is wonderful, did you perhaps read anywhere if sophia
picked music by herself?


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2003-11-20 14:24 [#00958779]
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yeah, she did. apparently she went to tokyo with a camera
and an ipod scouting locations, and the music she listened
to ended up being in the movie. which would imply that she
listens to quite a bit of good music, which is cool.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-11-20 14:29 [#00958783]
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definitely cool :)

im looking even more to her new movie now...god knows what
beautiful music will she use there hehe

i dont have the soundtrack for lost in translation yet, but
im gonna get it (i'd already have it if our music stores
would have taste in music...)


 

offline naaic from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-11-20 14:40 [#00958798]
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argh!!!!

the more you guys talk about this movie, the more impatient
i get. i hope it comes to sweden soon...the soundtrack looks
ace too!


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-11-21 03:38 [#00959460]
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going to hit the shops around here today again, hoping on
finding this soundtrack...everyone, whish me luck!!!
:)


 

offline wayout from the street of crocodiles on 2003-11-21 16:41 [#00960485]
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fantastic movie, definitely the best i've seen in a while,
it took me forever to drag my friends to see it, and they
ended up loving it too.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-11-21 17:37 [#00960583]
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I've been looking around for the c.d. by the japanese band
called "Happy End" on the soundtrack. I really like that
song 'kaze wo atsumete.'


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-12-14 08:29 [#00990656]
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here's sophia's comment on film, which reall says it
all...she couldnt make it any better imo

"I can only say why I wanted to make the movie: to convey
what I love about Tokyo and visiting the city. It's about
moments in life that are great but don't last. They don't go
on, but you always have the memory and they have an effect
on you. That's what I was thinking about. "


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-01-30 23:29 [#01055985]
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What a great movie! Only just saw it.

I'll have to watch it again - I got the feeling there was
lots more going on than was immediately apparent - the fire
alarm, all the dishes looking the same on the menu...

Charlotte keeps wandering into ceremonies - Buddhist, a
wedding, that formal flower arrangement class - then she
wanders into that twit's press conference about her movie -
a kind of ceremony - where she mentions reincarnation,
hmmmmmm.... "lost in translation" - the translation of the
soul from one body to another paralleling the aging
process?



 

offline loaderror from kansas city (United States) on 2004-01-31 00:58 [#01056008]
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her comment makes a lot of sense because that's the jist of
what i loved about the movie, the little moments where you
saw bits of japan. there was a lot of looking around.

the plot usually went missing... more often than not. it's
definetely pretty good if not great, but it's not film of
the year or anything. in my mind.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-01-31 05:30 [#01056106]
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I loved.

This film.


 

offline KADO from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-01 10:39 [#01057228]
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Definetely Film of the year so far for me.
At least 5 People got up and left the screening half way
through. Its insane how a lot of people need to be spoonfed
the plot and have complete closure in a film.

My Favourite Peice Of Music From The Film Was - On the
subway by brian reitzell + roger manning jr. Its short
(1:15) but captures the films vibe perfectly. They did two
tracks for the film, the other one was also good.


 

offline EugeneII on 2004-02-01 11:20 [#01057258]
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boring


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-02-01 11:21 [#01057260]
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cuz no one got shot?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-01 11:25 [#01057263]
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im getting this dvd the day it comes out

awesomeness movie


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2004-02-01 11:57 [#01057299]
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gonna see this next week for sure maybe tomorrow
Billll Murrrayyyyyyyyy :D


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-02 00:10 [#01058007]
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true that.
birthday money burnin a hole in my wallet...


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2004-02-02 00:42 [#01058016]
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I thought the bits where the Japanese kept saying 'L'
instead o 'R' was just THE funniest.


 

offline KADO from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-02 04:35 [#01058119]
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"Lip My Stockings!!"


 

offline pOgO from behind your belly button fluff on 2004-02-02 04:42 [#01058121]
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I'm gonna see it in the cinema tonight


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2004-02-02 07:55 [#01058265]
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"Loger Moore, Loger Moore".


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2004-02-02 09:09 [#01058310]
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i second all yer +ive comments... top class film.

remember when Murrays in the bath and this cinematic score
is playimg as the camera slowly moves toward him. Then you
notice the mobile on the rim and Bill reaches over to answer
it and...... the music stops! It was the fucking
mega-high-tech japanese phone,NOT the score!

fucking genious that was...... they should get an oscar for
sound editing for that alone (and Tommib of course!)



 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-02 14:38 [#01058655]
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Saw it, thought it was pretty good. Coulda done with a bit
more bite, and although there it was all subtle and
there wasn't much going on, that was the whole point. Dunno
if Sir Bill deserves the oscar, I'd have to check out Mystic
River (Sean Penn on form is usually excellent) but I enjoyed
this. And two dumb bitches walked out halfway through,
result!


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-02 14:41 [#01058658]
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24 ALL PAUL!


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-02 16:10 [#01058732]
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sean penn was very good, as was tim robbins in Mystic River.
But that movie was pretty ass lame over all. lots of good
performances, but painfully obvious, unoriginal, grocery
store novel caliber writing.


 

offline dan7250 from Osaka (Japan) on 2004-02-02 16:16 [#01058736]
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help please.

i have the soundtrack and adore it.

but not peaches is on it... whats it the name of the peaches
song?


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-02 16:35 [#01058747]
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the song is called "fuck the pain away" by Peaches.

Peaches really sucks by the way. but that song was funny.


 

offline dan7250 from Osaka (Japan) on 2004-02-02 16:39 [#01058749]
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cool. thanks for the info... and the tip.

my friend saw her live about a week ago and wasn;t overly
impressed/


 

offline acrid milk hall from United Kingdom on 2004-02-02 16:51 [#01058757]
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a friend of mine leant me his copy of peaches first album
last year.. she seems too busy being confrontational to
write really good songs.
'fuck the pain away' was alright (mainly because ive heard
it used well in some dj sets at houseparties) but the lp
didnt sustain my interest..


 

offline mimi on 2004-02-02 17:13 [#01058777]
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SO glad i didn't waste my money on this movie in the
theaters -- i was all excited to see this movie because i
thought sofia might be able to kick the shit, considering
all of the great reviews the movie got, and how cool would
that have been?.....instead we got romantic stupid comedy
bullshit, with an unnecessary rip on cameron diaz (hey, i
dont like her either, but if i was making a movie, i
wouldn't throw references to her in it, it seems pretty
pathetic and 7th grader-ish. i find it to be pretty
disgusting for a grown woman to act like this.)...


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-02 17:17 [#01058781]
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so i guess i didn't catch the cameron diaz reference. how
is that blond girl supposed to be C. Diaz now? i keep
hearing about this reference but i don't see it.

this movie was the furthest thing from "romantic stupid
comedy." I thought it was done quite tasteful regarding the
fact that it did NOT become Autumn in New York or some shit
with an old man hooking up with a young girl. They spent
time together that was intimate, but i don't think it ever
became romantic. Much closer to Father/daughter, than
Lover/Lover.


 

offline acrid milk hall from United Kingdom on 2004-02-02 17:28 [#01058805]
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i think it was romantic, in its own way. but it never became
crass.. and theres nothing wrong with romance, if its well
done. love, on any level, must be one of the hardest things
to achieve convincingly in any film.
if youre going to treat it as a romantic comedy, this film
puts the myriad other films in this genre to shame.
i though it could have been a dodgy line to tread, having
such an age gap between the two protagonists. but it never
seemed sleazy. it was delicately handled.
as was the whole film. in my opinion, lost in translation
was all about subtlety.

and as for the cameron diaz reference - i didn't spot it -
and i couldn't be less interested.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-02-02 17:39 [#01058818]
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Please.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-02 17:51 [#01058826]
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exactly.
It was potentially, overtly romantic, but the characters
were mature enough to realize that the only thing they
really had in common was their respective lonlieness.

i've heard mention of the cameron diaz reference before, i
can only imagine it stems from the fact that the pop movie
starlett in the film was starring in an action movie and
from the fact she was blond and a little air-headed. But
she was also about 10 years younger than Cameron Diaz.

even if it was a reference, it seemed quite harmless and the
character was not without purpose in the film. She was a
device to greater emphasize Charlotte's lonlieness by acting
as something like a Siren, calling away Charlotte's husband.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-02 17:52 [#01058828]
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it was also, a kinda funny joke, that this character was too
airheaded to really feel lonely.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-02-02 17:56 [#01058829]
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So to some it up if you don't like this film you're a
soulless cock.

I mean come on, even Yavo liked it.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-02-02 18:01 [#01058830]
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why do people need to make some such comparisons? can't they
just enjoy the movie? like they're looking for something to
criticise...
the film was romantic, but not some cheesey romance -
perhaps if there would be two other main actors it would
have been different...it was an emotionally full film and
nothing can make me think different :)


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2004-02-02 18:33 [#01058844]
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if you liked this watch "in the mood for love". its the same
kind of platonic friendship, subtly romantic movie and sofia
has said she was inspired by it when making this.
i actually am thinking about reserving a room in the park
hyatt tokyo where this was filmed just for the hell of it.
it'd be a nice place to stay when i get there, although i
doubt i can afford even one night there.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-02-02 18:35 [#01058848]
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book in and run away the next morning :)


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-02-02 18:43 [#01058861]
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That shakes it, I'll go see it TONIGHT!!!


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-02 18:44 [#01058862]
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i've seen In The Mood For Love. while i really liked the
cramped, subtle cinematography and the performances, i
think Lost In Translation is a far superior movie. The
characters in LiT are much more endearing and being
american, easier for me to relate too.

In the Mood for Love is good too though. maybe if i had
more background in Chinese Culture, i would have appreciated
it more.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-02-02 18:46 [#01058867]
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bring a tissue :)


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2004-02-02 18:46 [#01058868]
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yeah, some of it has alot to do with that time period in
china's history. it is more of an exercise in style whereas
lost in translation takes that and then applies it to two
great characters.
the only real flaw in LiT is that the other characters are
like cartoons, but it sort of heightens the main characters
situation.


 

offline mimi on 2004-02-02 18:56 [#01058874]
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ok, obviously i don't GET the movie. at any rate, i didn't
compare it to anything, so i don't really know what you're
going off about, tolstoyed. trust me, i wanted to like this
movie.

maybe when it boils down to it, it's a character thing. i
thought they were kind of flimsy. to me, charlotte came off
as a spoiled waste of space. i didn't really care to watch
her aimlessly loafing around in a luxury hotel bar. i
didn't care for bob either, but it's hard to argue against
bill murray.

the cultural nuances coppola throws in constantly seem to be
style over substance, and pretty purposeless for the most
part...as if arcades and strip clubs only exist in tokyo,
maybe? i understand that she is trying to show how
alienated they feel, but the only thing she did that i
thought really got the job done was to show charlotte
looking out over the city from her window by herself.

what i'll give Lost in Translation is that coppola did a
great job in giving you that dull, sunday-homework
feeling...and i honestly don't mean that in a bad way.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-02 19:14 [#01058895]
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i think the cultural nuances you refer too were more to show
how similar, not different, that Tokyo is to an American
Metropolis. Superficially it looks like TImes Square in New
York or something. but at the same time, this familiarity
breeds greater isolation, because it's all "so close but yet
so far away."



 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-02-02 19:15 [#01058897]
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it just seemed real to me...the feeling i can totally relate
to, and the most important thing - it wasn't cheesey.
they both feel lonely and lost there. it's cool they don't
discuss the whole relationship deeply, just so they don't
loose what they have and toky seems like a good choice to
me, it is flashy and all that but the story could easily be
happening in some other city/country, apperantly sofia just
wanted to film it there cuz she has some friends there and
she probably likes japan, and it fits in perfect imo. i read
a nice comment; he (murray) looks like he's saying goodbye
to her life, and she looks like she's dreaming his life.
to me it was a perfect mixture of melanholic and joyfull
feelings, and with a great picture and music is very close
to a perfect movie for me :)


 

offline mimi on 2004-02-02 19:20 [#01058904]
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hmm, maybe, i didn't really see the johnny carson of tokyo
to really be like johnny carson in the slightest, but
perhaps that was an exception.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2004-02-02 19:24 [#01058909]
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Have you been to tokyo?


 

offline mimi on 2004-02-02 19:29 [#01058913]
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no.


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2004-02-02 19:31 [#01058914]
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lost in translation could just as easily have taken place in
any other major metropolis on earth. the idea was that the
language barrier and cultural misunderstandings that are
inherent in japanese/world relations would heighten the
characters detachment. and it works. i've heard people call
the movie racist, which is ridiculous. there was maybe one
more "r's for l's" joke than necessary, but its true, and it
was humorous. the movie isn't about japan, its about two
people who are detached from life, and tokyo is the kind of
city that could feed that detachment, especially if you're
an american.


 


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