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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 16:16 [#00749712]
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ecirhoweveryouspellit- just because im not an obnoxious dick, doesnt mean i dont have fun
jar- way to totally avoid my question. What dont YOU like about ME? Specific instances? Any justified reason?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 16:18 [#00749717]
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No you are a conceited, elitist, aloof peice of shit who gets pissed off whenever someone doesn't bow down in front of you and act as though you are some sort of musical intellectual and genius.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 16:20 [#00749718]
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Anyway this is stupid, no point in argueing...you have your views I have mine...so fuck it I am not replying any more, I have had my fun :P
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 16:22 [#00749725]
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alright... if thats what you think...
but do you care to give me any specific instances? any particular thread?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 16:23 [#00749727]
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i just dont see where you are getting these perspectives... seriously, please show me a specific instance.
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sine707
from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2003-06-20 16:34 [#00749743]
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ok, stop now, both of you... stick to the topic!
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sine707
from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2003-06-20 16:41 [#00749755]
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keep my flaming thread in mind... it's still valid... you know who you are...
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 16:43 [#00749762]
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Me :P
I have finished now :D
I didn't expect it to take off the way it did, my original comment wasn't even aimed at Zeus, but at the people who actually produced this 'music' in the first place.
Oh and your avatar has just made me shit myself :D
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loopychoon
on 2003-06-20 17:36 [#00749832]
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The idea of inaudible sounds made audible is intriguing, and translated into 'music', would be interesting.
The sound of an anthill is cool conceptually and surely much could be done with it literally, metaphorically and analogically.
In a way, it is a further development of the [i]Richard Bangs Scrap For His Own Unique Sounds[/i] approach to music making.
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loopychoon
on 2003-06-20 17:39 [#00749833]
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Hmm ok so do I get itallics this way?
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avart
from nomo' on 2003-06-20 18:06 [#00749847]
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I?ve been listening to Lowercase music for three years now, I like it?s calm approach.
But like all sorts of art, sometimes it can be a bit like "the emperors new clothes". ecnadniarb has a point. Silence is SILENCE, it?s quite ridiculus buying a record of 30 minutes of silence just because Francisco Lopez made it...
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 18:20 [#00749851]
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hey Zeus, how about fuck you, cos new scientist did articles about using classical music to harmonise the brain waves of eppileptics whose condition is caused by multiple brainwaves conflicting and causing seizures.
your brainwaves can be played as sound, and they can be tuned with concentration (look at the x-box controlled with scalp electrodes) and even if they couldn't the oscilations "lowercase-menstruation-dripping-on-a-horseshoe-then-amplif from your brain would probably sound a lot better than your ied-and-sold-to-dickheads-like-you" music. audio textures can be interesting but its probably just a bandwagon that the pretentious follow...so stick it where the sun don't shine and record the sound of you doing so as a lowercase sodomization...
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 18:21 [#00749852]
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your brainwaves can be played as sound, and they can be tuned with concentration (look at the x-box controlled with
scalp electrodes) and even if they couldn't the oscilations
"lowercase-menstruation-dripping-on-a-horseshoe-then-amplif ied-and-sold-to-dickheads-like-you"
from your brain would probably sound a lot better than your
music. audio textures can be interesting but its probably just a bandwagon that the pretentious follow...so stick it where the sun don't shine and record the sound of you doing so as a lowercase sodomization...
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 18:23 [#00749853]
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whats goin on? one more time
your brainwaves can be played as sound, and they can be tuned with concentration (look at the x-box controlled with scalp electrodes) and even if they couldn't the oscilations from your brain would probably sound a lot better than your
"lowercase-menstruation-dripping-on-a-horseshoe-then-amplif ied-and-sold-to-dickheads-like-you" music.
audio textures can be interesting but its probably just a bandwagon that the pretentious follow...so stick it where the sun don't shine and record the sound of you doing so as a lowercase sodomization...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 19:30 [#00749891]
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ok. first off... calm down. the name calling is unnessasary.
secondly, critcizing my music will not hurt my feelings, it will just make you look like an ass.
3rdly, I think we are thinking different things here..
when you say, converting your brainwaves into pitch... you are wrong. you cant make your brain do pitches. just by the nature of brainwaves.
however, you are right, in a sense... that you can control music with it.
literally taking brain waves and converting it to pitch will not give you the results you are looking for.
however, you can use brain waves to control midi events. scientists found that there are several different brain wave patterns the human brain produces, under certain situations. so, what they do, is they assign certain brainwave activity to certain event paramaters, ie notes, or volume etc.
it isnt the brainwaves literally being turned into music... its assinging brainwave activity to different functions in a machine.
so if you concentrate on a mood, that will get your brainwaves in a certain state... you can be telling the computor different commands.
but just thinking of notes, and having your brain waves make those oscilations... it doest work like that.
as far as audio textures being something pretentious people follow... uh... hello? this is an IDM message board... electronic music is ALL ABOUT textures and sound qaulities.... so I dont know what you are talking about there...
please, if you respond to this, try and be alittle more tactful.
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 20:03 [#00749905]
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well, to refer to my initial post as "bullshit" is not a wholly objective response is it? and not too tactful either
if the actual electrical signals across the surface of the brain have their signals multiplied to create an audiable pitch it resembles music: test subjects were played motzart over a period of a few weeks and their brainwaves were found to take on the characteristics of the pieces they had listened to.
also if someone is asked to remember a song in their head the electrical signals in certain parts of the brain closely resemble the actual soundwaves of the recording when shown on an oscilliscope. both midi events and soundwaves can be produce by the potential difference across the surface of the brain, and even if it didn't it would still be more interesting than the noise of an ant colony because it is simply an amplified field recording
i will happilly listen to musique concrete because the structuring of real world sounds appeals to me but "lowercase" is not strictly music because music by deffiniton is structured. i did not say textures are a purely pretentious persuit but in many cases they are popularised for a need to look superior rather than any true stimulation
well fine, you may think i look like an ass but it is my choice not to buy cds of noise for those whose objective taste is far outstripped by their desperation to belong to an elitist few so i guess i am an ass with some cash and no inferiority complex
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 20:11 [#00749911]
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oh yeah, if sachiko m was the person i saw running white+brown noise and sinewaves through a mixer at the notting hill arts club, then this genre is seriously lacking
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 20:14 [#00749913]
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as far as what you said about the brainwaves goes... its news to me. from my reading, ive never come across anything about that... and in fact, it was said to be impossible.
if its true, then id like a link to the article, as it would be a great, and educating read.
maybe in your opinion, amplifing sounds we cant hear isnt as interesting.. but in my opinion it is. percieving sounds that we cant normally percieve.
as for your definition of music, i must completely disagree. there is no such thing as unstructred music. the fact that there is sound, and that it was intended, implies structure. not of a conventional sense... but if someone deliberately makes something a certain way, (even if its deliberitly random) its still structured. even having 3 seconds of sound, followed by 50 seconds of silence... and then another 1 second sound... is structured.
about the textures being popularised for a need to look superior, and not any true stimulation... i just disagree. how can you say what stimulates people?
and as for your judgements of me... you dont know me. To say that i am desperate to be a part of an elitist few, to fend off an inferiority complex... you have no place saying that. based on several conversations on the net... you cannot judge me. And the fact that you would so quickly label someone as such, for listening to a certain type of music, shows how narrow minded you are
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purlieu
from Leeds (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-21 04:12 [#00750068]
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Pan Sonic have been doing this for years.
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str_ph
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-21 04:46 [#00750083]
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introductory article with sound samples:
here
and fuck off the emo kids flamming the thread.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-06-21 04:50 [#00750087]
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never heared it but im interested... thanks for that link.. couldnt find anything myself
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-06-21 05:19 [#00750098]
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mm im downloading the 'lowercase sound 2002' album now
its so stupid.. but i find it interesting... this is good to sleep to i think
or whatever
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