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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 12:17 [#00749484]
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i've been reading up on a genre called "Lowercase Music" lately...
its alot like minimalism and ambient music... but it has even more emphasis on silence, and quiet sounds.
There also seems to be alot of emphasis on recording inaudible sounds, and editing them to be in human hearing range (ie, a piece was done, recording an ant hill... not possible for humans to hear... but when recorded at 192khz sampling rate... you then down pitch it to a human hearing level...)
It sounds really cool, and Id like to read more about it.
If anyone has any articles, or just any thoughts on it, id love to hear/read!
thanks!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-06-20 12:20 [#00749486]
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can you tell us of some artists that fit into this genre?
time hecker could be close to this and i love his music...
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Donutman
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-06-20 12:21 [#00749487]
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Where can I find some of this stuff? Any names that are associated with it?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 12:22 [#00749489]
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from allmusic.com:
The end of the XXth Century and beginning of the 2000s saw the rise of a new interest in minimal forms of music. Old-school minimalists like Morton Feldman and Alvin Lucier enjoyed a renewed level of appreciation among a younger generation of avant-garde music fans. Concurrently a handful of new approaches and esthetics appeared in avant-garde circles that followed a common decision to strip down the music to its bare essentials. Instead of attacking the listener with barrages of sounds, more and more artists decided to offer limited sound events and invite their audiences to scrutinize them more closely.
The term "post-minimalism" assumes a generic role here. Two of its strongest incarnations developed among electronic music and free improvisation. The word "lowercase" stemmed from electronica but quickly spread to the realm of sound art to designate any music focused on silence, contemplative sounds, and minimal events. Composers like Steve Roden, Bernhard Günter, Carl Michael von Hausswolff, and John Hudak work with only a few sound sources, often only a single tone that is modified over long stretches of time. Sachiko M reintroduced the use of sine waves, going back to the historical basics of electronic music.
At the same time that avant-garde electronic artists were striving to do "less with less" (some would designate it as the post-post-modern era), free improvisation circles were undergoing their own transformation. The idea of an introspective, scaled-down, silence-driven instead of sound-driven improv is not new — it was the basis of John Stevens' teachings in the late 1960s. But a level of abstraction unheard before emerged in the late 1990s. Some improvisers, like Axel Dörner, John Butcher, Franz Hautzinger, Günter Müller, and Werner Dafeldecker, began to leave more and more room between sound events and abandoned the use of notes to favor drones, electronically altered events, and most of all tongue and saliva noises channelled through their instruments, walking a th
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-06-20 12:22 [#00749490]
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thats tim hecker
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 12:22 [#00749491]
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walking a thin line between the "something" and the "nothing." This approach of the instrument as an extra limb, an extension of the improviser's body, instead of an artifact manufactured to produce music, was epitomized by the groundbreaking CD The Contest of Pleasures by Dörner, Butcher and Xavier Charles, and the eponymous release by Dachte Musik (led by Hautzinger). — François Couture
List of Key Artists
John Butcher Dachte Musik Axel Dörner Filament Bernhard Günter Franz Hautzinger Sachiko M Günter Müller Steve Roden
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 12:23 [#00749492]
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i havnt heard any of these people yet... so far my knowledge of this genre is all through reading articles
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-06-20 12:24 [#00749495]
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hmm, dont know any of this guys...
but this "often only a single tone that is modified over long stretches of time" sounds very much like what tim hecker is doing - and it is my favourite ambient music at the moment, really brilliant stuff
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 12:25 [#00749496]
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i need to hear tim hecker...
sounds good!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-06-20 12:25 [#00749497]
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and i'd expect some japanese people in that list...they do this kinf of things
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aphextriplet
from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 12:26 [#00749498]
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i made a whole album of silence once, never released it though. If you dont speak and listen, you can sometimes hear it playing in the background
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aphextriplet
from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 12:27 [#00749500]
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it has a massive underground following.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-06-20 12:27 [#00749501]
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i'd recommend you to check his haunt me... album - its his most minimalistic i think
and btw, if you check the sonar thread you can see that some people really liked his live performance (me including)
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Donutman
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-06-20 12:28 [#00749502]
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John Cage already did that.
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Jedi Chris
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UPPERCASE here mate! Hehehe
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Donutman
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-06-20 12:32 [#00749511]
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Damn! I really want to hear this stuff now. I wish there was something like it on Kazaa right now.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-06-20 13:09 [#00749548]
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slsk has some john butcher and phil durrant
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 13:54 [#00749575]
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bah, i had to do something at work, and forgot to post this link...
its another article on it, and has links to several mp3s...
havnt listened yet, seeing as Im at work...
Link
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2003-06-20 14:53 [#00749613]
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the microsound list was/is big into this for a bit.
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jingle
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 15:08 [#00749622]
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if you convert the brainwaves of dolphins into soundwaves it sounds like music but spead down: this is because radio waves from stations are picked up by the dolphin's sonar organs or something. it had a little thing about it on discovery.
also the brainwaves of humans can be converted into soundwaves similar to the music they are concentrating on. this is exciting cos it allows someone to get the sounds one can imagine directly interpretted into digital sound....cool
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 15:19 [#00749634]
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I think everything you just said is bullshit.
I dont know about the dolphine thing... but the brainwaves thing is definately bullshit. where do you hear that? or are just being sarcastic?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 15:26 [#00749639]
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i listened to those examples in that link i provided...
it was nice...
but i had to pump up my volume to hear it over the hum from the airconditioner unit outside my window...!
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 15:33 [#00749644]
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This thread is gay.
These talentless gimps invent a new name for their shit music so that pseudo intellectual knob jockeys will start masturbating over it.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 15:36 [#00749647]
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i was waiting for one of those responses... suprised it took so long actually...
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 15:39 [#00749650]
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Well I didn't mean you specifically, but if you found out their was a new type of music called rectumramming which was the sonic study of gas escaping from peoples behinds, and one of the examples was done my someone called Rudolph Schitzoid, you would say you found it interesting and challenging.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-06-20 15:40 [#00749654]
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what if afx or ae done it would you say the same
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 15:42 [#00749659]
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I dunno if you have read my posts but when it comes to music I call a spade a spade. If I don't like something I say I don't like it, I don't pretend to like it just because everyone else does, and I don't beleive in the creation of new genres just because you don't have the talent to get recognised in the general music spectrum.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-20 15:43 [#00749660]
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That's a little TOO lowercase for me, the clips in that Wired link - I like things not much more minimal than this
(listen to inhale)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 15:43 [#00749661]
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you didnt mean me specifically...
but if "you" found out there was a new music.... "you" would say you found it interesting...
so was that directed at me then? or not specifically.
I just think its damn cool that people are sampling inaudible sounds, and putting them into our hearing range.
and i liked what i heard of those samples. relaxing... you concentrate on the music much more...
think what you want man.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 15:45 [#00749665]
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i dont see what any of that has to do with me?
I read about the music, and thought it sounded interesting. so shot me?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 15:47 [#00749670]
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Sadly I live too far away to be able to do that.
How do you know they have sampled inaudible sounds? They might have just messed about with a sample until it sounded as though it might have been inaudible to start with...then they put it on a website for people to be amazed at.
Besides I am just winding you up :D
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-06-20 15:48 [#00749674]
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the idea of ant hils woring sounds good but just hearing isnt enough it would work better with the visual
micro life in full glory
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 15:49 [#00749676]
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you enjoy being a dick then?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 15:50 [#00749677]
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No I enjoy winding you up...it is like walking up to a spastic and pulling faces at them...good for a laugh to see their reaction but ultimately meaningless.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 15:52 [#00749680]
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youre a real stand up kind of guy
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 15:53 [#00749681]
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Cheers ;)
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-06-20 15:54 [#00749683]
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if sounds are out of the human spectrum of hearing, they are not meant to be heard. perhaps this is ultimately rather dangerous.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 15:55 [#00749684]
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yeah, cheers trolly troll troll boy
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 15:56 [#00749687]
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why are you calling earthleakage a troll? I thought that was a valid point to raise.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 16:00 [#00749691]
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so... any particular reason your just started being an ass to me today?
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-06-20 16:00 [#00749692]
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do you mean the ketal talking about you to the toaster and stuff
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 16:01 [#00749693]
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yes, yes there is, but it is personal and I can't go into it on a public message board.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 16:02 [#00749695]
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kcinsu@kcinsu.com
in looking forward to reading all about it
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 16:06 [#00749696]
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Not personal about you...you just gave me the opportunity. It is personal as in I cheated on my girlfriend, and the girl I cheated with has given me a nasty infection which I have given to my girlfriend...and now she won't speak to me...so I am in a wierd mood.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 16:07 [#00749697]
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I'll tell you on here, I don't care. You're just a bit of an arse really, aren't you?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-20 16:10 [#00749702]
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please give reasons.
besides the fact that your little god paul didnt like me, and you are just tagging along.
i started a thread on music... this is what being an arse is like is it?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-20 16:13 [#00749704]
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Boring...do you ever smile and have fun, other than in photo's where DJ Shadow is flipping you the bird?
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-20 16:14 [#00749706]
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"My little god" heh. I make a friend and everyone assumes that I suck his cock. I didn't require someone else to point out what I dislike about you, just as I'm sure you don't need one of your many fans to point out what you hate about me. Anyhoo, cheerio.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-06-20 16:14 [#00749707]
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i can hear them. my pot is racist, he keeps calling the kettle black.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-06-20 16:16 [#00749709]
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:)
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