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it's immortal.. |
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*in best hair-metal falsetto* it will never DIEEEEEEEEEEEEE! |
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no its not |
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It's not stealing if it's impossible to buy. No product to steal. |
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people make there own morals. what you percieve to be right or wrong is the ultimate factor in personal ethics. you shouldn't have to make a list to convince your self that it's ok if you believe in your heart that it really is. |
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that is a very good point. |
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Well, the first point is basically the one I was driving at...if you think it's OK, then it is! (philosophically speaking of course) And the list was just why I knew logically it was OK in my heart... :-) |
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i love ripping rich musicians off, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside |
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Of course there is that... |
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what a bunch of subjective nonsense |
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Please elaborate philosophically :-) |
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i had a conversation about these things with my brother some time ago. he's a big enthusiast on open source and free copyright stuff. his main focus is on freeing program codes in order to develop them freely (like linux) but it applies on everything. art included. |
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And what's your take on it? Is it immoral? |
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when i say what a bunch of subjective nonsense, what i mean is that the idea that there is no correct answer to a question like this is false. people allow themselves to become subjective to a point of saying whatever you think is ok, there is no right answer, and i think thats a bunch of crap. it allows people to just do whatever they feel like doing and not have to answer for it or feel guilt. and it's crap. it's a gluttonus mentality. me, me, me. |
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Interesting you take that view, presuming you think there's a one-size-fits-all standard for right and wrong, what would it be? Law? Religion? A.N. Other? |
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i attempt to walk the thin line that exists between marilyn manson and jerry falwell. |
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thats a joke, by the way |
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And the serious reply? |
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there is no "religion", there is only truth and lies. |
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there is a set of rules, like numbers, by which we are allowed to determine right and wrong... when people start thinking only of themselves, they start to create X and Y variables where clearly numbers are present. then they can solve the equasions any way they like. |
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But on what basis do you make your assertion about there being a definite right answer to the question? What belief set? |
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sorry i'm no good in phrasing these things.. too many things and my mind can't focus. i haven't made my mind all the way with it. while my brother thinks that everything should be free and 'open source', when it comes to art it gets a little frightening to me. the day after we had the conversation i decided to put my albums for free on my www page. of course that doesn't seem much because i'm not signed and/or respected artist but it was a big thing to me. i think that it is more important for the artists to be heard than getting money for it. if everything can be copied, why should it be made 'wrong'? why should people who have a lot of money have the priviledge to have a lot of art? those who have money still can support the artists they choose to. i do believe this world relies way too much on the capitalistic system. i do burn cd's. but i also buy them. the smaller the artist/label, the more willing i am to give support. |
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Christianity. even though i was joking, i was quite serious... i find most organised "religion" throughout history has been HIGHLY offensive to the standards of God as laid out in the Bible. i do not support televangelists. i do not support the militant, sacreligious nature of catholicism. my only guidance comes from reading the Word of God, meditative prayer, and experienceing life. i am very untrustworthy of church, in general... it is foreseen in the Bible as well, that there would be a "great falling away" of the church from its God. |
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sorry for the rant. just kick me off the soapbox here anytime ;) |
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Well that's fair enough then obviously. But me being a Godless wonder I just approach it from a different angle I guess! |
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SIMPLY PUT: NO. |
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what is is wrong? 1. downloading an album fron the net? 2. Stealing an album from the store? |
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or....downloading an album from the store or stealing an album form the internet. |
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inmoral? 18 euros for a cd... that is inmoral |
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i think that 'copying' is not 'stealing'. |
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Yes people will often list reasons (excuses) for their actions, trying to justify them morally or even just to appear cool for the reason they do something. I also don't buy into the do as you like if you feel it's right. It's just like fatalism, something for weak people who can't accept responsibilty for their actions. |
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some of you just need to learn to be better shoppers. i pay usually pay $12 for a cd and rarely more than $14. i make like $90/week at a parttime job and i have money for all the cd's i really need to get (i decide this sometimes on artist reputation but othertimes through previewing online via mp3's and audio clips). if any of you want advice on how to get $12 cd's i'm going to make a section of my web site about it cos people ask me sometimes how to find cd's i play on my show or even just in my room or on my discman. |
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how did you get draft 7.30 for 12$?? mine was 17$ |
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I don't mind paying for CDs if lots of labels didn't rip alot of artists off, so the artist only gets a marginal cut when its their music being sold. So downloading it is fine, as many hillbillies will always still pay for their CDs keeping everyone in business. So i'll pay for my Cds when I know the artist gets a bigger cut |
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I like the original cds... I have bought 300...and I almost have no cdrs... but I understand those who burn them... |
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getting cheap CD's in 4 easy steps: 1. a) order from bestbuy.com where cd's are very cheap and you can get free shipping on 1 item. b) go to bn.com and perform these next 3 steps: 2. sign up for a reader's advantage club. for 12 months you get 10% discount in stores (useless since prices are jacked up in the the shop) and 5% discount online. when you order a lot like me this 5% quickly pays off the $25 it costs for a year. ALSO, you get 2 cards, so you can pick another person to get the same discount, for free. 3. check regularly and use the discount codes. 4. with your discount information above, order any 2 items (such as 2 cd's regularly priced at $12.99) and get free shipping. after the discount your cd could be as cheap as $9. note #1: this is provided that you have no moral objection to patronizing multi-million or billion dollar corporations in order to save a few bucks. note #2: it's oftentimes cheaper, and, for some, more ethical and satisfying, to order direct from the label site. for hefty records albums are $10 and ep's $7, with $1.50 for shipping. www.heftyrecords.com. also, this isn't a label site, but bentcrayon.com and strangefortune.com offer very good prices for electronic music. hiphopsite.com offers good prices too but the added bonus is you can get so many freebies through ordering, including exclusives like bonus discs, t-shirts, and posters. note #3: it's cheapest to buy cd's used, especially promos, but that doesn't support the artists because 1) promos are pressed as loss leaders, profit-cutting cd's pressed for journalists and radio stations in hopes of creating interest in the album so that people will legitimately pay for them. these cd's are technically owned by the labels anyway and lent to people as promos, which sadly get sold a lot (i've bought my share). so everytime you buy a promo, whether used or unwrapped, you're taking money away from artists who you wo |
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...would be paying if promos could somehow be kept under control. on the other hand, if not for the cheapness of promos, you might never take a chance and buy it at all (and thus never become a fan, someone who would later pay for a legitimate cd, attend a concert, or buy merchandise). so it's a bit of a gray issue even for me. |
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all this crap about you deciding your own morality and what not is just that, crap... I'm sure deranged serial killers often times believe what they're doing is right... however, it is not... |
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well, it's not total crap... but come on... we can't just do whatever we feel... we do need a universal set of rules to follow... |
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Interesting replies here...what would you suggest for a universal set of rules though, that's the problem!? Religion? No, ta... Law? Yeah, right... Communism? Ahem.... |
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terence or phillip with an ae on his shirt seems to say it all, donnit? |
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you must also like feces and caviar sandwiches... |
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I say Philip! Would you like a Kroff dinner? |
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point being: some things don't go together... someone who is naturally inclined to a set of moral and ethical beliefs expresses it in his daily practices... those who don't make their own rules... it's the fashion of the day... all the little kids (in age AND intellect) seem to think they have it all figured out... some never grow out of it... but these things can't just sit next to one another in peace, it's unfair for one set of standards for one person, and another for another... so humans NEED a doctrine of thought that goes beyond illogical wants, and enters into sound realism... |
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hey no negative talk on that avatar ey? ;) the person who made it must be a genius i'd say :) j/k |
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pfft is this oppisite day? |
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*cries and walks of* i made it , couldn't you see? it was on junktions avatarpage.. *whistles portishead's melody* cuznobodyluvsmeee its twew.. |
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Well why d'ya think I chose it? :-) |
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But what would you choose??? |
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nothing other than what IS... people choose what they will... no matter what people SHOULD do, they will always do whatever they want... such is the downfall of man... |
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