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or maybe Dennis Hopper |
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promo, i agree. this war was executed in a manner less horrific than past wars. still the SIMPLE questions remain unanswered by you or anyone else who is in support of the war and was in support of the war before it began: did we have the right to make the decision to sacrifice innocent people in the name of the cause? because we knew full well that large numbers of innocents would definitely be killed in the war you should be able to state honestly something along the lines of: "it is our right as a nation in need of security to sacrifice the lives innocents against their will for our security." |
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it's time to revive communism |
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If I recall correctly, the U.S. is beginning a revolution called "pre-emptive war" that all started with Afghanistan. It isn't retaliation from an attack, it isn't even intercepting an incoming attack, it is destroying a potential threat before it blossoms, even when the threat hasn't been completely and positively identified or verified. What do we think of this new kind of war? Is it just? Contrary to the buttloads of evidence that the US claimed it had regarding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, I didn't see one convincing shred of evidence made public. Now don't you think that in a world divided over war that Bush would have given us some tangible evidence or intelligence that weapons did in fact exist? The only strategy was to abuse patriotism and sappy speeches. If I've heard one G.W.Bush speech, I've heard them all. You've got N. Korea openly admitting to a nuclear program, possession of nukes, and threats to use them, but for some strange and peculiar reason, Osama is ignorantly forgotten, and suddenly Saddam is prime suspect #1. What the hell is that? |
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Good point jupitah. I don't think war fans have fully realized the truth of your statement. It's kind of a selfish contradiction. IMO war is among the most stupid of all human activities. It is a fast and quick solution. "I don't mind if 10,000 innocents are killed so long as I live." |
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Catharsis I agree with you 100% and I in fact live in America. Touché! |
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Uh...I don't know why I felt it was necessary for me to include the "and I in fact live in America." it really has very little to do with my opinion. |
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Whatever your opinion, I'm happy that the ideas presented by people on this board have been logical and intelligent - a rare quality these days. Usually (in other forums) I just get parrots reporting back current NBC news and stuff they heard on Regis and "whats-her-face". |
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i think you've pinpointed the major issues here. the only way i can imagine that one could justify this administration's action is by ignorance, whether willful or not. when are the serious questions regarding the legitimacy of these attacks going to be addressed? "I don't mind if 10,000 innocents are killed so long as I live." that is the undeniable implication of those in support war. |
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from the onion... Tortured Ugandan Political Prisoner Wishes Uganda Had Oil KAMPALA, UGANDA--A day after having his hands amputated by soldiers backing President Yoweri Museveni's brutal regime, Ugandan political prisoner Otobo Ankole expressed regret Monday over Uganda's lack of oil reserves. "I dream of the U.S. one day fighting for the liberation of the oppressed Ugandan people," said Ankole as he nursed his bloody stumps. "But, alas, our number-one natural resource is sugar cane." Ankole, whose wife, parents, and five children were among the 4,000 slaughtered in Uganda's ethnic killings of 2002, then bowed his head and said a prayer for petroleum. |
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Conversely, there is no question that Saddam is one twisted and evil bastard. Still - atrocities of that scale happen elsewhere and continue to happen elsewhere. It is the rightful duty of the civilized world to change them? Look at Rwanda - millions of people died from ethnic cleansing. I don't seem to recall anyone intervening. Perhaps it was because our western lives were secure. Perhaps it was because there appeared to be no fringe benefits (i.e. oil). There is some inconsistency this time around. |
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catharsis, Loser, for me the war was never about National Security (I'm British). It was always about the moral issue. From day one even before the whole Sept 11th thing I believed that the Iraqi people needed to be rid of that piece of shit. And they weren't ever gonna be able to do it themselves. So wake up you selfish loser! |
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What are you talking about? I was being sarcastic about security. I don't think my life is worth the deaths of 1,000's of innocents. Do you have the right to remove this wicked dictator. If you decide that you do, you better finish what you started and make a global trip. If you don't, there are some underlying issues. It was the British and the Americans who installed Saddam in the 80's. Maybe they feel its their responsibiltiy to take him out before he blows his top? Your statements indicate that you should join the army and perform regime changes around the world and risk your life while doing it. No? - okay. In regards to 9/11. Have you seen any tangible evidence connection Saddam with Osama? I wouldn't bet the bank on it. Name calling isn't appreciated. |
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I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly, but it's obvious that you didn't read the part about Rwanda. |
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catharsis, Rwanda is landlocked so thats make an invasion extremely difficult but not impossible. You'd have to seek the permission of a country close by to set up a military base from where an invasion could be mounted. Yes Rwanda and countless other African countries could and should be assisted where democracy can be established. On the subject of Saddam Hussein, he came into power because at the time they felt he was the good guy. This is an old and baseless argument to suggest that somehow we decided to put a nutcase into power, we didn't. We felt he was the right guy and the West felt they could handle him. Its been a long time coming but finally we've dealt with him. Its exactly the same for Mugabe, he was some who seemed a very positive leader at the time. He was big on talk of democracy and friendly relations with the white man etc etc. Now look how he has turned out. You see what you're not appreciating is that you have to take people on trust to start with, if then they become untrustworthy and go against their word, then of course you have to deal with them. You see in life you have to take people on trust initially, otherwise nothing will ever get done. |
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The country that would be used as a military base, would probably have to be Tanzania, which is on the East Coast of Africa. |
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promo, why am i not surprised you sidesteped the issue i brought up? |
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I answered the question. |
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my ultimate question is simply: did we have the right to make the to knowingly sacrifice innocent people against their will in the name of the cause(be it for us ot other iraqis)? |
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Absolutely. |
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K. Point taken promo. I disagree however that Rwanda was an exception to to its geographical location. The miliatary presence would have scarecly been a threat to ..... hell..... perhaps even the Canadian army ;) |
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