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faaip_de_oiad
from Sirius (United States) on 2003-04-27 22:44 [#00673688]
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Bush quotes accompanied by anti-bush images. Some of the images are pretty graphic. Makes you think though, and pisses you off a little.
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-04-28 00:57 [#00673765]
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Terribly interesting.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 08:30 [#00674110]
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I've been thinking that G.W. Bush is an evil, pathetic moron with an I.Q. of 12 and an incredibly tiny dick that can only be resolved through acting like a powerful bully at the expense of the young and innocent servants to the U.S.
Don't get me started. Do Americans ever wonder why they are being targeted for terror? And
"evil" is not the answer here ladies and gentlemen.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-04-28 08:38 [#00674121]
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It's just so goddam wrong, isn't it?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-04-28 08:42 [#00674123]
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my mother thinks I'm an extremist because I blame society's state on the Government & the Big Corporations. She called me naive, and told me that the people had the power. Needless to say I put her head in the blender and disowned her.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 09:16 [#00674163]
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THose who believe that the power is in the hands of the people forget.
THe instant you elect someone based on their campagin plans and promises, the instant you seal your fate with an idiotic, lying, fucking bastard.
I agree with you marlowe. I just accept my environment, because there isn't a hell of alot you can do to improve the situation - especially if you are an Arab these days. Just bend over and let Bush have his way.
I'm from Canada, and Chretien, and preimere Ernie Eves are damn idiots. With people like these in power, we are ensuring that a global death will occur sooner rather than later.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-04-28 09:29 [#00674179]
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that website was the poorest shit I've seen.. no wonder they're not listening to us
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 11:07 [#00674320]
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There is the shit that the US government filters for journalists, there is the shit that sqeaks through from freelancers, there is the shit on al-jazeera and there is the shit on the above link.
Funny how all of them make you feel differently. Funny how all of them have a different story. Funny how many of us go with the side that is most comfortable and least disturbing. GO BUSH!!!! Kill those "terrorists" (that is one of the biggest bullshit words I have ever heard).
The Iraqi people probably use a similar term for the "good guys" over there right now. WAR is the stupid - there are no winners.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 11:20 [#00674340]
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catharsis,
umm. no
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 11:26 [#00674353]
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Ok, let me rephrase that.
You are in a group.
This group is a group of people who think that all humans are well, evolved, civilized, able to communicated and work with their fellow man.
No, you are wrong.
Don't give me or anyone the type of bullshit asking us why we are targeted.
You have a simple mind, one that obviously bites off more than it can chew with these disgusting, shorthanded comments.
Also, you fail to realize that it is not Bush who is running the country, but also his "highly educated" staff and appointments.
Continue with your bitches, as one day it will make the world a perfect place.
You are part of the "elitest" who understand the problem at hand, and know everything. You, _you_ can come home every night, to your cozy little home and know that everything is ok. You are not a target. You do nothing to help keep the world balanced. Nothing except bitch about it.
The world isn't perfect, and it never will be. Until then, your pethetic bitching and finger pointing will only stay to entertain me.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 11:33 [#00674364]
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Yeah, that site is uhh, pure shit.
Oh well; making a statement for popularity is ok in their book I guess.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-04-28 11:38 [#00674378]
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that's a shitty website.. there are much better (far more creative, intelligent) places that express more informed anti-war sentiment
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 11:55 [#00674437]
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Hey elusive - you forgot the IMO part. I guess I should have included that too. Why don't you take a look at your avatar and tell me your opinion is unbiased.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 11:59 [#00674457]
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vote nader
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:03 [#00674466]
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There are two ways to get rid of a disgusting spider in your kitchen. Catch it and put it outside, or flatten it's juicy guts with your shoe.
To some people, the best way to deal with "terrorists" is to flatten their guts with hundreds of thousands of kilograms of explosives. Or take a look at foreign policies and political interests and find another solution.
Does anyone know who put Saddam into power??? Ever seen a picture with Donald Rumsfield and Saddam shaking hands??? Guess where Osama bin Laden recieved his training? Don't give me this BS.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:05 [#00674472]
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I'm not justifying the actions of the "terrorists", but I will not accept justification of the deaths of thousands of innocent people either.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 12:07 [#00674476]
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in other word murder is murder, no? we have more than half of all americans believing in justified murder.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 12:07 [#00674477]
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Yea. The US is the blame for the terror they created. It all blu up in their face, unless that's what they wanted *wink*
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:11 [#00674486]
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Anyone care to tell me why the US is prime target? I'm not joking - I'm looking for a straight answer - I'd like to know some facts. I've debated about this topic countless times before, and I've yet to recieve a true response.
Why not Canada? Why not U.K.? I'm from Toronto, and I know tonnes of people who get nervous riding the subway or going to malls. So far we haven't heard a peep - why?
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 12:13 [#00674491]
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Look at American history. You will find your answers there my friend.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2003-04-28 12:16 [#00674494]
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The USA are the first world power, the symbol of capitalism and western culture...
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:43 [#00674530]
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Is that a fact or a hypothesis?
American history depends on whether you read Canadian books on American history, or whether you read American books on American history. There is a difference. I'm still trying to convince some of my American friends that they didn't win the war of 1812. (some historians say neither side truly "won").
The U.S., despite having red tape eminating from its arse is a supposed world power. IMO I attribute this to the recent estimate that the US currently possesses the largest arsenal of active nuclear warheads among all countries. The massive scale of their military also speaks volumes.
Capitalism - most definately. Western culture - certainly. The T.V. and the radio are the Shiva and Allah of the west.
I still don't see why I would want to kill Americans because they love Britney Spears - she's awfully cute.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 12:44 [#00674532]
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Cute? Well... if you call that cute.. then...
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 12:45 [#00674534]
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America and hate are very complicated issues. Issues that seem to have endless meanings, questions and answers. You have to come to your own conclusion if infact you need a conclusion in this matter.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:47 [#00674538]
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Whoa!!! See - this is what I mean? Endless networks this and that...complicated bla bla bla......
If you were to ask Osama why he wants to fly American planes into American buildings what would he tell you?
Come on.....Britney is sexy man!
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 12:50 [#00674542]
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Britney could be considered sex or cute or pretty. But to me, what she does is a big turn off therefor her physical attraction is mere illusion.
But see, this all goes way beyond Osama paying fake Islams to fly planes into buildings.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 12:51 [#00674543]
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There's soo many different branches to this problem. Problems.
Things we don't even know about. Things that are top secret and not shown on CNN. It's ignorant and impossible for an average Joe to come to a conclusion about this, no matter what country, what news paper, what TV news show you have.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-04-28 12:54 [#00674548]
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voting nader.. if he were really a contender would be a good thing to do.. as it stands now though, it might as well be a vote for the republican candidate
the 2000 elections were a small victory for the green party.. it's too bad though, that that had to take place at a time when.. all of a sudden, (thanks florida!) it was difficult to determine where the populace's votes intended them to go
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 12:54 [#00674549]
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well, i have no proof, but i've read enough to know that there is a general attitude that american corporations have been exploiting foreign nations and that our government has been fucking things up in south america and so on. i never come across an author or journalist claiming canada has done anything like this to the extent that america has. am i eating up lies? i always assumed it was obvious why we are suspect.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 12:55 [#00674550]
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Im not gonna talk for anyone else, also it probably does aply to everyone. I cannot make an educated formed opinion or conclusion on any of these issues since im way too ignorant to do so.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 12:55 [#00674551]
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Shitting on your doorsteps, sad bastards.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 12:56 [#00674553]
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I was just kidding about Nader. Although I did like the guy during the 2000 election. Im not American, but I would of prefered him to be elected President.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 13:03 [#00674565]
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The majority of journalists are lefties, have been and always will be. They just simply want to lash out at those who are better off than them. Its just jealously, thats it pure and simple. So don't kid yourself its anything else.
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-04-28 13:10 [#00674588]
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heloo, i think (IMO) that understanding the present isn't at all complicated nor hard to explain...
simply read a brief resume of the world History (begin any year it doesn't matter) and you'll realise that nothing has changed that much as to who is in power, and what lead to crisis...
now come back and tell me it's complicated and to marlowe and catarsis : 0_O WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT !!!??? power IS and HAS ALWAYS been in the hand of the people... think one second what is possible to do if we stopped having N°1 priorities like getting laid, listening/making music, seeing movies and all???
"imagine all the people" does it ring a bell? it sounds maybe a bit utopist, but nothing is more powerful than a big PHat mob of humans with a common goal
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-04-28 13:11 [#00674591]
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aha what makes you think someone is better than another? ever heard of the human rights?
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 13:14 [#00674597]
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Yeah a mob that just about sums it up. Thats why we have a democracy to get away from mob rule and anarchy. But yes you have a point.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 13:15 [#00674599]
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E-man,
Sweet. I think you're missing the point.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 13:15 [#00674600]
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I agree about the power being in the people's hands forsure.
Don't agree about the not so complicated view point.
Although it all depends on how you look at it, like everything. A piece of white paper can be complicated to some.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 15:37 [#00674941]
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1) your analogy is "flawed"
2) http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
heh, sureeee
im sure saddam did this and is blaming us/brits
k
oh, and my avatar?
well let's just say you can take that avatar 2 completely different ways.
1 literal or 2 sarcastic
you decide, it just may be the latter
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 15:50 [#00674967]
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i'm not sure the issue is left or right. they're left because it shows photographs of what the cnn won't show? maybe i missed something. all i saw were quotes and photographs.
what it comes down to is this:
if you are in support of the war, you...
...either...
...believe that we had the right to decide to sacrifice people in iraq in the name of the cause (whichever one you want, liberation, american security)...
...or...
...you don't believe this and thus you are in support of something you do not believe is justified for the sake of your feeling of security.
are there more options?
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 16:07 [#00675009]
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jupitah,
Oh get a life honestly!
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:09 [#00675012]
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honestly, are there more options? i'm not opposed to other options, i just wonder if you ever take the time to analyze your position becuase i know very few people on either side of the issue who analyze their position. it's all just fueld by reaction and so little thought.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:10 [#00675014]
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thought and analysis IS a good thing
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:15 [#00675026]
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promo, i am trying to reason. i have yet to meet somebody who wants to seriously reason the issue, on either side.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:21 [#00675038]
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another option: i was against the war. but now that it has started i support them finishing what they started rather than ditching the iraqi people in a worse state than they were before. whether or not this is possible...
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:24 [#00675048]
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meh
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:30 [#00675062]
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i'm with you.
but the options i was refering to were for prewar support... not just this war, but pre-any-war
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 17:03 [#00675145]
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It is truly sad these victims in this war and I've said this before but I'll repeat it. The war was executed pretty well with almost an extreme level of detail in respect of keeping civilian casualties to a minimum. I felt there were a number of key things that would have helped even more in reducing innocent killings. Some very obvious things, such as having translators with units so they could warn civilians to evacuate the area when small battles were going on. When frisking civilians they could have had translators close by too to warn them about what was going on etc. They could have suggested to civilians (by air pamflets) to go into the lowest part of buildings or go into bomb shelters during bombing raids (this may have been done). They could have shot the tires of fleeing vehicles to bring them to a halt, instead of blowling them to kingdom cum. They could have shot to disarm (potential civilians terrorist threats), instead of shot to kill etc etc.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-04-28 17:09 [#00675148]
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GulfWar2Victims
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Westric Venther
from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 17:11 [#00675149]
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i've not much interest in getting into a political chinwagging sesh, but i did want to ask, after seeing the pic in the link in the first post: does any else think that the statue of liberty looks like david mccallum?
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