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offline faaip_de_oiad from Sirius (United States) on 2003-04-27 22:44 [#00673688]
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Bush quotes accompanied by anti-bush images. Some of the images are pretty graphic. Makes
you think though, and pisses you off a little.


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-04-28 00:57 [#00673765]
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Terribly interesting.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 08:30 [#00674110]
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I've been thinking that G.W. Bush is an evil, pathetic moron
with an I.Q. of 12 and an incredibly tiny dick that can only
be resolved through acting like a powerful bully at the
expense of the young and innocent servants to the U.S.

Don't get me started. Do Americans ever wonder why they are
being targeted for terror? And
"evil" is not the answer here ladies and gentlemen.


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-04-28 08:38 [#00674121]
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It's just so goddam wrong, isn't it?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-04-28 08:42 [#00674123]
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my mother thinks I'm an extremist because I blame society's
state on the Government & the Big Corporations. She called
me naive, and told me that the people had the power.
Needless to say I put her head in the blender and disowned
her.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 09:16 [#00674163]
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THose who believe that the power is in the hands of the
people forget.

THe instant you elect someone based on their campagin plans
and promises, the instant you seal your fate with an
idiotic, lying, fucking bastard.

I agree with you marlowe. I just accept my environment,
because there isn't a hell of alot you can do to improve the
situation - especially if you are an Arab these days. Just
bend over and let Bush have his way.

I'm from Canada, and Chretien, and preimere Ernie Eves are
damn idiots. With people like these in power, we are
ensuring that a global death will occur sooner rather than
later.


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-04-28 09:29 [#00674179]
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that website was the poorest shit I've seen.. no wonder
they're not listening to us


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 11:07 [#00674320]
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There is the shit that the US government filters for
journalists, there is the shit that sqeaks through from
freelancers, there is the shit on al-jazeera and there is
the shit on the above link.

Funny how all of them make you feel differently. Funny how
all of them have a different story. Funny how many of us go
with the side that is most comfortable and least disturbing.
GO BUSH!!!! Kill those "terrorists" (that is one of the
biggest bullshit words I have ever heard).

The Iraqi people probably use a similar term for the "good
guys" over there right now. WAR is the stupid - there are
no winners.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 11:20 [#00674340]
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catharsis,

umm. no


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 11:26 [#00674353]
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Ok, let me rephrase that.

You are in a group.

This group is a group of people who think that all humans
are well, evolved, civilized, able to communicated and work
with their fellow man.

No, you are wrong.

Don't give me or anyone the type of bullshit asking us why
we are targeted.

You have a simple mind, one that obviously bites off more
than it can chew with these disgusting, shorthanded
comments.

Also, you fail to realize that it is not Bush who is running
the country, but also his "highly educated" staff and
appointments.

Continue with your bitches, as one day it will make the
world a perfect place.

You are part of the "elitest" who understand the problem at
hand, and know everything. You, _you_ can come home every
night, to your cozy little home and know that everything is
ok. You are not a target. You do nothing to help keep the
world balanced. Nothing except bitch about it.

The world isn't perfect, and it never will be. Until then,
your pethetic bitching and finger pointing will only stay to
entertain me.



 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 11:33 [#00674364]
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Yeah, that site is uhh, pure shit.

Oh well; making a statement for popularity is ok in their
book I guess.


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-04-28 11:38 [#00674378]
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that's a shitty website.. there are much better (far more
creative, intelligent) places that express more informed
anti-war sentiment


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 11:55 [#00674437]
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Hey elusive - you forgot the IMO part. I guess I should
have included that too. Why don't you take a look at your
avatar and tell me your opinion is unbiased.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 11:59 [#00674457]
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vote nader


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:03 [#00674466]
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There are two ways to get rid of a disgusting spider in your
kitchen. Catch it and put it outside, or flatten it's juicy
guts with your shoe.
To some people, the best way to deal with "terrorists" is to
flatten their guts with hundreds of thousands of kilograms
of explosives. Or take a look at foreign policies and
political interests and find another solution.

Does anyone know who put Saddam into power??? Ever seen a
picture with Donald Rumsfield and Saddam shaking hands???
Guess where Osama bin Laden recieved his training? Don't
give me this BS.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:05 [#00674472]
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I'm not justifying the actions of the "terrorists", but I
will not accept justification of the deaths of thousands of
innocent people either.


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 12:07 [#00674476]
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in other word murder is murder, no? we have more than half
of all americans believing in justified murder.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 12:07 [#00674477]
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Yea. The US is the blame for the terror they created. It all
blu up in their face, unless that's what they wanted *wink*


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:11 [#00674486]
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Anyone care to tell me why the US is prime target? I'm not
joking - I'm looking for a straight answer - I'd like to
know some facts. I've debated about this topic countless
times before, and I've yet to recieve a true response.

Why not Canada? Why not U.K.? I'm from Toronto, and I know
tonnes of people who get nervous riding the subway or going
to malls. So far we haven't heard a peep - why?


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 12:13 [#00674491]
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Look at American history. You will find your answers there
my friend.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-04-28 12:16 [#00674494]
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The USA are the first world power, the symbol of capitalism
and western culture...


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:43 [#00674530]
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Is that a fact or a hypothesis?

American history depends on whether you read Canadian books
on American history, or whether you read American books on
American history. There is a difference. I'm still trying
to convince some of my American friends that they didn't win
the war of 1812. (some historians say neither side truly
"won").

The U.S., despite having red tape eminating from its arse is
a supposed world power. IMO I attribute this to the recent
estimate that the US currently possesses the largest arsenal
of active nuclear warheads among all countries. The massive
scale of their military also speaks volumes.

Capitalism - most definately. Western culture - certainly.
The T.V. and the radio are the Shiva and Allah of the west.
I still don't see why I would want to kill Americans because
they love Britney Spears - she's awfully cute.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 12:44 [#00674532]
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Cute? Well... if you call that cute.. then...


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 12:45 [#00674534]
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America and hate are very complicated issues. Issues that
seem to have endless meanings, questions and answers. You
have to come to your own conclusion if infact you need a
conclusion in this matter.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-28 12:47 [#00674538]
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Whoa!!! See - this is what I mean? Endless networks this
and that...complicated bla bla bla......

If you were to ask Osama why he wants to fly American planes
into American buildings what would he tell you?

Come on.....Britney is sexy man!


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 12:50 [#00674542]
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Britney could be considered sex or cute or pretty. But to
me, what she does is a big turn off therefor her physical
attraction is mere illusion.

But see, this all goes way beyond Osama paying fake Islams
to fly planes into buildings.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 12:51 [#00674543]
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There's soo many different branches to this problem.
Problems.

Things we don't even know about. Things that are top secret
and not shown on CNN. It's ignorant and impossible for an
average Joe to come to a conclusion about this, no matter
what country, what news paper, what TV news show you have.


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-04-28 12:54 [#00674548]
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voting nader.. if he were really a contender would be a good
thing to do.. as it stands now though, it might as well be a
vote for the republican candidate

the 2000 elections were a small victory for the green
party.. it's too bad though, that that had to take place at
a time when.. all of a sudden, (thanks florida!) it was
difficult to determine where the populace's votes intended
them to go



 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 12:54 [#00674549]
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well, i have no proof, but i've read enough to know that
there is a general attitude that american corporations have
been exploiting foreign nations and that our government has
been fucking things up in south america and so on. i never
come across an author or journalist claiming canada has done
anything like this to the extent that america has. am i
eating up lies? i always assumed it was obvious why we are
suspect.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 12:55 [#00674550]
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Im not gonna talk for anyone else, also it probably does
aply to everyone. I cannot make an educated formed opinion
or conclusion on any of these issues since im way too
ignorant to do so.


 

offline promo from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 12:55 [#00674551]
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Shitting on your doorsteps, sad bastards.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 12:56 [#00674553]
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I was just kidding about Nader. Although I did like the guy
during the 2000 election. Im not American, but I would of
prefered him to be elected President.


 

offline promo from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 13:03 [#00674565]
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The majority of journalists are lefties, have been and
always will be. They just simply want to lash out at those
who are better off than them. Its just jealously, thats it
pure and simple. So don't kid yourself its anything else.


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-04-28 13:10 [#00674588]
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heloo, i think (IMO) that understanding the present isn't at
all complicated nor hard to explain...
simply read a brief resume of the world History (begin any
year it doesn't matter) and you'll realise that nothing has
changed that much as to who is in power, and what lead to
crisis...
now come back and tell me it's complicated
and to marlowe and catarsis :
0_O WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT !!!???
power IS and HAS ALWAYS been in the hand of the people...
think one second what is possible to do if we stopped having
N°1 priorities like getting laid, listening/making music,
seeing movies and all???
"imagine all the people" does it ring a bell? it sounds
maybe a bit utopist, but nothing is more powerful than a big
PHat mob of humans with a common goal


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-04-28 13:11 [#00674591]
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aha
what makes you think someone is better than another? ever
heard of the human rights?


 

offline promo from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 13:14 [#00674597]
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Yeah a mob that just about sums it up. Thats why we have a
democracy to get away from mob rule and anarchy. But yes you
have a point.


 

offline promo from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 13:15 [#00674599]
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E-man,

Sweet. I think you're missing the point.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 13:15 [#00674600]
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I agree about the power being in the people's hands
forsure.

Don't agree about the not so complicated view point.

Although it all depends on how you look at it, like
everything. A piece of white paper can be complicated to
some.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 15:37 [#00674941]
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1) your analogy is "flawed"

2) http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

heh, sureeee

im sure saddam did this and is blaming us/brits

k

oh, and my avatar?

well let's just say you can take that avatar 2 completely
different ways.

1 literal
or
2 sarcastic

you decide, it just may be the latter


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 15:50 [#00674967]
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i'm not sure the issue is left or right. they're left
because it shows photographs of what the cnn won't show?
maybe i missed something. all i saw were quotes and
photographs.

what it comes down to is this:

if you are in support of the war, you...

...either...

...believe that we had the right to decide to sacrifice
people in iraq in the name of the cause (whichever one you
want, liberation, american security)...

...or...

...you don't believe this and thus you are in support of
something you do not believe is justified for the sake of
your feeling of security.

are there more options?


 

offline promo from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 16:07 [#00675009]
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jupitah,

Oh get a life honestly!


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:09 [#00675012]
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honestly, are there more options? i'm not opposed to other
options, i just wonder if you ever take the time to analyze
your position becuase i know very few people on either side
of the issue who analyze their position. it's all just
fueld by reaction and so little thought.


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:10 [#00675014]
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thought and analysis IS a good thing


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:15 [#00675026]
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promo, i am trying to reason. i have yet to meet somebody
who wants to seriously reason the issue, on either side.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:21 [#00675038]
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another option:
i was against the war. but now that it has started i support
them finishing what they started rather than ditching the
iraqi people in a worse state than they were before.
whether or not this is possible...


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:24 [#00675048]
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meh


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-28 16:30 [#00675062]
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i'm with you.

but the options i was refering to were for prewar support...
not just this war, but pre-any-war


 

offline promo from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 17:03 [#00675145]
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It is truly sad these victims in this war and I've said this
before but I'll repeat it. The war was executed pretty well
with almost an extreme level of detail in respect of keeping
civilian casualties to a minimum. I felt there were a number
of key things that would have helped even more in reducing
innocent killings. Some very obvious things, such as having
translators with units so they could warn civilians to
evacuate the area when small battles were going on. When
frisking civilians they could have had translators close by
too to warn them about what was going on etc. They could
have suggested to civilians (by air pamflets) to go into the
lowest part of buildings or go into bomb shelters during
bombing raids (this may have been done). They could have
shot the tires of fleeing vehicles to bring them to a halt,
instead of blowling them to kingdom cum. They could have
shot to disarm (potential civilians terrorist threats),
instead of shot to kill etc etc.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-04-28 17:09 [#00675148]
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GulfWar2Victims



 

offline Westric Venther from United Kingdom on 2003-04-28 17:11 [#00675149]
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i've not much interest in getting into a political
chinwagging sesh, but i did want to ask, after seeing the
pic in the link in the first post: does any else think that
the statue of liberty looks like david mccallum?


 


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