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mappatazee
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That's more what I was getting at, not to leave you with the impression that I'm in denial and delusional about the real world.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-04-23 01:31 [#00664349]
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"i don't think christianity would work without the promise of
an afterlife. "
mm.. didn't realise quite how thick that statement was.
but a lot of the norms people seem to adopt can be (to a large extent) explained in the belief of an afterlife or not.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-04-23 01:32 [#00664350]
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if i were religious i still wouldn't rely on the god to make the world a better place... i will cling to the notion of free will until i drop dead... so i guess if i was religious i would probably be more of a deist... but really i'm not a huge fan of western religions at all... the whole hierarchichal thing irks me... the universe seems to more closely resemble the circles and balance, and paradox of eastern pantheisms...
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manticore
from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-04-23 02:33 [#00664401]
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ah! the eternally perplexing question humankind has been asking itself since it climbed down from the trees, lost the tail (sadly) and (apart from george dubya), started looking a little less like our less civilized, but far more peace-loving relatives (primates, dummies!). thus, to qote jesus: "the meaning of life is this: there is none, so make your own damn meaning and shut your trap!"
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-04-23 02:41 [#00664408]
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basically, yeah
but it's still a fun topic to talk about when you're off your face, innit
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manticore
from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-04-23 02:56 [#00664420]
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for further information on the meaning of life, please refer to track #8 on 'Anticon Presents: Music for the Advancement of Hip Hop", namely
'Divine Disappointment' by Alias:
my frustration aimed at what I created has me feeling discombobulated I hated the boredom and so I restated entertainment for my well-being now it
seems I made the wrong decision my project had appeared easy but had no direction in precision
beginner's luck only up to recent times do I feel stuck I'm the only one to blame for things that ran amuck I built up
a universe that is now building me you see technological advancement which is the creater now? and all things to be decided have not even once touched my hands my quote unquote followers now constantly fill the stands On the so-called Sabbath day for years it's been this way but these people can't figure out whetehr it's the first or last day to pray they seem to think that I'm forgiving of all which means they have a scapegoat
if they happen to drop the ball I've been coined various names None of which to me are flattering they look to me for a guidance but to me they do not matter in my eyes there's nothing I can do to help this situation when they have internal conflicts with their whole congregation
they gather every week and speak of me in song these beings I created in this project gone terribly wrong
you all claim that you know me but you really don't ever forgiving and you say of me in reality I realy won't from the day I gave you life to your last anointment you have all been nothing but divine dissapointment
so I'm now stuck to figure out what to actually do at this point and time these creatures think that there's an afterlife but they spend their life benign they killed another creature years ago that claimed to be my son so now they mold thier lives after him and claim that He's the One The one that will save them, lead them to a new breath I hate to break it to them: "I have nothing for you after deat
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manticore
from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-04-23 02:58 [#00664423]
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erm. continued:
I hate to break it to them: "I have nothing for you after death"
so carry on if you wish unknowing thinking breath is wind blowing magnifying light bulb is the sun and tears of rivers flowing think that every bad thing that happens to you is at my will
like bankrupcy, adultory, and the reason why others kill go on to be mislead as you have your entire life think that all some how reward for all your pain and strife "I can't control destiny" where'd you come up with that notion? "There's no cure for AIDS" so don't even bother with that potion I didn't create the disease to punish others I didn't even make it so if you have that frame of mind you go ahead and break it I'm sick and tired to feel responsiblity for all of you ungratefuls
Unwilling to share with the starving while you enjoy all of your platefuls
even if I had the power to help you I wouldn't even bother stop thinking that I love you and stop calling me your father I didn't plan on you evolving into this mess with which I deal asking for my forgiveness when you lie, cheat and steal what the hell do you want me to do try and save yourself I cant help your marriage, chlldren or status of health my problem's far away, any of your so-called devastations like this oncoming war between the so called United Nations I regret making all of you You make my blood pressure climb I wish I didn't make you but even I cant turn back the hands of time
(chorus)
"paradise of fools!!"
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-04-23 04:39 [#00664494]
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Everybody has their own subjective meaning of life, but knowing what others believe is their meaning, is always interesting, and might even change your life.
One of the goals of my life, but not the meaning (as that is not 1 thing, but many things), is to be independent.
Not dependent/addicted on/to anything...
Most stuff that is important gets down to the "one with the nature"-situation.
Live as close to nature as possible, and you'll find true hapiness.
Not joking. Think about it for a while. the key to the secret....
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-04-23 04:44 [#00664501]
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The meaning of life is to meet and face people with joy, to care about the future is more important than to care about the past cause it is allready done. Avoid hate, anger, and hostility. Don't be a dork!
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-04-23 04:48 [#00664503]
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Sorry, don't avoid hate and anger. that is wrong. when you avoid it it just becomes stronger. meet it and face it. yes that is the way. Try to understand your anguish. accept it for what it is.
then you will become a true ninja ;)
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-04-23 04:49 [#00664504]
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coyote...."the pursuit to learn the meaning of life" yes! that is the way!
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-04-23 12:08 [#00664977]
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Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.
-Kahlil Gibran, mystic, poet, and artist (1883-1931)
Live as close to nature as possible, and you'll find true happiness. -key_secret
it's heartening to see such genuine, thoughtful discourse on this issue. people who argue that "there is nothing good about christianity," however, have a lot of explaining to do. when they can tell me who christ is, and who he serves, and what christianity is, then i will be ready to hear how "there is nothing good about christianity." have many of our so-called christian leaders failed us? absolutely. should christ and his message be judged according to their failures? absolutely not.
as far as christ's teachings are concerned, many people are convinced that he baked them a cake, and that all they must do is eat it, and they will enter the kingdom. this is incorrect. christ communicated the recipe so that we might each of us bake our own cake, and thereby enter the kingdom. i hope the humor in this metaphor does not obscure the sincere meaning.
to me, asserting that our shared reality is a "coincidence" is a failure to accept responsibility for your existence. you have nothing to lose but your illusions, your fear. honestly, you have, here, nothing.
raimons, you have hit a very powerful point. you must not suppress, repress or deny your emotions. the emotions are consequences of your beliefs, and only by examining your beliefs can you grow and change. do you think that you can be a liar, and not suffer your own self deception? your emotions are a very important tool of learning. some people are born patient, and some must learn patience. when you experience impatience, you follow the emotion to the belief that is the source of your impatience. back to what key_secret said: do the flowers in a field experience impatience? do not be so immodest that you think you cannot learn from a flower. a flower does not question the source of its tremendous creative ene
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-04-23 12:11 [#00664982]
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rgy.
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nacmat
on 2003-04-23 12:12 [#00664984]
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meaning of life for nacmat:
no meaning... we just exist, total randomness
but what I want from life is:
love and be loved (i would like to start a family)
and also if only I could change a little of this society with my work
it sounds mainstream but thats what I want
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-04-23 12:18 [#00664988]
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2003-04-23 12:24 [#00665004]
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I can't believe no-one has got it yet!
life n. pl. lives (lvz)
The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
The characteristic state or condition of a living organism.
Living organisms considered as a group: plant life; marine life.
A living being, especially a person: an earthquake that claimed hundreds of lives.
The physical, mental, and spiritual experiences that constitute existence: the artistic life of a writer.
The interval of time between birth and death: She led a good, long life.
The interval of time between one's birth and the present: has had hay fever all his life.
A particular segment of one's life: my adolescent life. The period from an occurrence until death: elected for life; paralyzed for life.
Slang. A sentence of imprisonment lasting till death. The time for which something exists or functions: the useful life of a car.
A spiritual state regarded as a transcending of corporeal death.
An account of a person's life; a biography. Human existence, relationships, or activity in general: real life; everyday life.
A manner of living: led a hard life. A specific, characteristic manner of existence. Used of inanimate objects: “Great institutions seem to have a life of their own, independent of those who run them” (New Republic).
The activities and interests of a particular area or realm: musical life in New York.
A source of vitality; an animating force: She's the life of the show.
Liveliness or vitality; animation: a face that is full of life.
Something that actually exists regarded as a subject for an artist: painted from life.
Actual environment or reality; nature.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-04-23 12:31 [#00665013]
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ah yes, the meaning of life according to the reference section of the library! someone better ring all the priests, philosophers and mystics and let them know they've been wasting their time... it's all in the britannica!
: )
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2003-04-23 12:34 [#00665019]
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:)
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-04-23 12:34 [#00665020]
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"What are your thoughts on the meaning of life"
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-04-23 12:39 [#00665037]
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to eat sugar
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-23 12:44 [#00665048]
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to me, asserting that our shared reality is a "coincidence"
is a failure to accept responsibility for your existence. you have nothing to lose but your illusions, your fear. honestly, you have, here, nothing.
this is not wholly true. you do infact have something. you have life. though your time may be brief and temporary, you still have time to experience and learn. it is true that in the end you will have nothing. but this is all the more reason to relish every waking (and sleeping) moment because it will be gone all too soon.
I believe my existence is a coincidence and so I choose to take full advantage of this rare and fortunate event assuming it will never happen to me again.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-04-23 12:47 [#00665055]
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99% of these posts arre total bullshit.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-04-23 12:48 [#00665061]
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what's the 1% of truth?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-23 12:52 [#00665067]
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what i said on page 1
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-04-23 12:57 [#00665072]
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that 99% of these posts arre total bullshit.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-23 13:28 [#00665102]
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There's no meaning to life, but a life isn't wasted if it's spent looking at beautiful things.
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uzim
on 2003-04-23 13:42 [#00665114]
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the meaning of individual lives is probably to reproduce and form other lives, at least it seems it is meant this way, when you look at how important sex is for us - but this is quite lame, just to reproduce to reproduce to reproduce to reproduce to reproduce etc. - all of this for what, after all?
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-23 13:44 [#00665116]
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yer right!
we all know that the meaning of life is. . .
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-23 13:44 [#00665118]
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oops, zaphod already posted that... please forgive my redundant arse
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-04-23 13:59 [#00665142]
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"I firmly believe that our souls are parts of cosmos temporarily set free.
When we die, the positive energies of our souls are joining cosmos once again,
adding to the total sum of the energies in cosmos.
While we are in this world, we have a brief moment to participate as individual forces.
Our deeds are able to stimulate other souls, thus increasing or decreasing their positive energies.
We can all make a difference.
Once we die, we are no longer able to apply individual impact.
We have once again returned to the entity known as cosmos.
...Now, isn't it quite obvious, the meaning of life?"
-Thomas Danko Jr (musician)
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-04-23 14:00 [#00665144]
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haha
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-04-23 14:02 [#00665147]
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Your existence is not a "coincidence"... The coincidence does not exist (in our physical world), it's just a way of refering to something -you (personaly)- cannot calculate [how it happened].
There's a reason for every cause.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-04-23 14:06 [#00665148]
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why question a religion when you dont believe in it?
its not for a non-religious person to say.
meaning of life/spirituality for me..
experiences and growing from them
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-04-23 14:12 [#00665151]
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cool you read my post. Living close to nature means a lot of things... I wish more people would know what I am talking about.
If you want to be happy - question yourself (especially the things you take for granted!)...
You'll discover many things you thought of as "the way it is"/normal are just lies.
The thing is once you discover yourself, which very few people do nowadays, you'll know what to do to be happy.
If you think this sounds weird, well, then you basically don't get it.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-04-23 14:13 [#00665155]
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this post was a reply to plaidzebra [#00664977]
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-04-23 14:44 [#00665197]
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Life is what you make of it, nothing more, nothing less..
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nacmat
on 2003-04-23 14:45 [#00665200]
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he said it
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-04-23 17:40 [#00665477]
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the meaning of life lies within the simple process of figuring out the meaning of life. that is all.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-23 17:48 [#00665492]
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meaning of life?
religions try their hardest to answer this question.
the meaning of life is, IMHO, undefined.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-04-23 17:51 [#00665495]
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religions apply a simplistic, circular argument as to what the meaning of life is. theirs is the ultimate subjective approach.
in my view, "meaning" is a human view and therefore is subjective. life is. it has no meaning.
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Dolleater
from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-04-23 17:52 [#00665497]
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the question itself implies religion. Atheists need not answer.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-04-23 17:53 [#00665499]
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believing in a "god" and religion are two seperate things.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-23 17:56 [#00665502]
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i'm not denying there's a meaning. i just don't know what it is. kinda like how we ponder the existence of extraterrestrial life.
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cuntychuck
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2003-04-23 17:57 [#00665504]
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being yourself.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-23 17:58 [#00665506]
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i like that
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-23 18:10 [#00665520]
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i guess it depends on how you define coincidence. i define coincidence as random happenings. a product of the chaotic nature of the physical laws of our universe.
when i say i believe my existence is a coincidence i mean to say that though i may be the product of the physical laws of nature, i am not the product of the deliberate act of some higher concious being.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-23 19:56 [#00665612]
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if there is a "meaning to life" would it necessarily be communicatable in language? in other words, can it be comprehended by symbolic communication, or would the true meaning be approximated outside the very experience of the meaning of life?
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-04-23 20:00 [#00665619]
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the question presupposes as much as it demands.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-23 20:06 [#00665633]
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my question, or "what is the meaning of life?"
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-04-23 20:09 [#00665638]
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if it cannot be communicated in language than it would seem that meaning is absent, as meaning is generally a subjective approximation of something, and is usually oriented with human language.
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