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nanotech, no offense, but i'm not sure that you are very accurate. the artwork of the tool album was no doubt influenced by much of the same things that his previous artwork was influenced by. experience with lsd was a huge influence. i do know that he has lead groups in visual expression of ayahuasca ceremonies. DMT is the primary psychoactive component in ayahuasca, but from what i know smoking/injecting DMT is a far different thing than getting involved with ayahuasca. |
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read DMT the spirit molecule. heh, infact the cover is an alex grey piece. i'm not a HUGE tool fan, but the images of the veins overlaying a faded body/ the kalidescope like visions the "human" is seeing in alex's work has normally been a symbol of DMT. the book: DMT the spirit molecule explains in depth that dmt tends to have occult coiencidences with the timings of various religious views of the soul leaving and entering the body. The book explains the pineal gland of the brain flooding the blood stream with DMT when these instances occur. as far as influencing tool's actual music...as i said before I;m not a huge tool fan, but many of the lyrics seem to fit with "after life" experiences...maybe the same things ppl experience while on DMT. i'd love to get into this in more of an analytical post...but i't my first day on vacation, and i just had it drowned in a lapse of a 9 hr plane trip. bletch. i need to prescribe myself some ambient, some weed (yeah right...get friggen drug tested and fired!), and some nice r & r. |
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i'm familiar with that book, though i haven't read it. i do recall that alex grey was among the artists who had contributed. there is certainly some speculation going on concerning the activity of dmt in the human body. indeed, the body does manufacture dmt for unknown reasons, and the metabolism dismantles the dmt before it can activate neurons (this is why the dmt experience is so short (~1/2 hour), it is quickly metabolized; ayahuasca is an admixture of two plants, one containing dmt and the other containing a monoamineoxidase inhibiting substance that slows the metabolism resulting in an experience of several hours). i am fairly well acquainted with the literature on the subject, i was interested in your personal experience. |
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i find it amusing that each of us is, at all times, manufacturing and possessing a quantity of a scheduled substance. |
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yeah, that's a good book. i've mentioned it many times, once in somebody's alien abduction thread. nobody that believed in aliens seemed the least bit interested in the possibility that the abductions might be telepathic. they really just want to believe that aliens are going to come here from the sky. i don't rule any possibilities out, but the endogenous dmt explanation seems so likely. nice to get perspectives on these things from people coming out of the western academic discipline. i know that alex grey is not naive to the dmt experience, but "the dmt artist" makes it sounds as if all his work were surrounding the dmt experience, which is clearly not the case. grey himself talks much of the influence that lsd has had on his art, where as he hasn't said as much about dmt. and i'm sure you know that the painting he did that was used for the cover of the spirit molecule is a representation of death in general, not the dmt experience. dr. strauss chose it, i imagine, because of his theory that dmt might be involved with the death experience. you made it sound as if his work had nothing to do with lsd, which is not the case at all. i agree that tool's music seems very much influenced by DMT experience. i remember thinking "third eye" is especially obvious, but i don't recall the lyrics or why i thought that. |
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each of us as well as many other animals and many or possibly all plants. |
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"you made it sound as if his work had nothing to do with lsd, which is not the case at all." my mistake...i didnt' know that i came across ruleing out all links to lsd in his art. What i meant by DMT artist was that he's the most popular painter in depecting the "act" of DMT. but then again, i did say: "acid (thought I'm not saying that he doesn't do tha shiz...)" |
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jupitah, you are wise to recognize that the alien abduction phenomenon may very well be real, but not physical in the everyday sense. which is not to say that the phenomenon is hallucination. a disclaimer, i have not had any experiences of that kind (except a very limited experience when i was ten years old, and it was when i was in the presence of a peer who subsequently described close encounters) and do not claim to fully understand it. regarding your second comment, only people can go to prison, though! many years ago i attempted to extract dmt from phalaris grass, subsequently discovered that phalaris grass produces mostly 5,methoxydimethyltryptamine, which produces a similar experience but generally without the visuals. which explains why 5,meodimethyltryptamine is legal. |
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my only personal experience with "aliens" has been in dreamstate, though in the moment they were as real and as vivid as experience gets. one such dream involved much fear. what i discovered later was that i was that something i was holding back was trying to surface, something subconscious that i needed to become aware of so that it could manifest in my life. in my fear of facing this daunting and repressed part of myself i imagined that it was not a part of myself, but rather something "other," an alien presence trying to beam me from the flat under surface of their craft. i was extremely aware of the flat, boundary-like surface of this craft and i knew that i did not want to allow myself to cross the surface. the surface was the boundary of my consiousness in which the thing that i could feel trying to surface was lying behind. the beam itself was representative of the tunnel of light, or the highly photonic beam that i sometimes enter during states great ecstasy. in other words, this thing that was trying to surface was something very profound regarding my spiritual life, though i altered it to be an intrusive beam. in that dream, i simply could not take on the responsibility, i was in denail of it. (this brings to mind john c. lilly's quote fromt the "meaning of life" thread) even so, i hold that there is no solid boundary exists between myself and the rest of the universal system, but rather there is a continuum. the alien presence may or may not have been an individual in communication, at the same time as it was a communcation from myself to myself (as all my dream are, maybe everybody's). in the same way, i, being a part of your awareness, am a part of you (if you accept that what is in your awareness is you), yet that does not take away my individuality. the two do not oppose eachother. so i consider it quite possible that the alien beings that people encounter in the dmt trip as well as the abduction experience could be both manifestations of the subconsious mind and contact w |
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with others, or even t.mckenna's "the other," whatever that might be! (read "dmt: the spirit molecule" for a fascinating comparison of intravaneous dmt experience, alien abduction and near-death-experience) on another note, a woman i have deep respect for told me that, of her few ordeals with the smokable form of intake, the mixture of dmt with 5-meo-dmt is far more beneficial than the single compound. though she generally regards the loger acting, less mind-blasting ayahuasca ceremony to be of greater value. i've never either chemical in either form, but clearly i'm fascinated. |
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i don't really care much for alex grey. his lateralus cover was interesting enough (i'll go so far as to say it looked cooler than it probably was for me in all actuality), but generally, it is too rainbow-y for my tastes. anyway, after all of those tool shows, i swear, if i see one more technicolored eye...i don't know what i'll do. |
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than the music was for me, is what i meant. |
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i'm not really into the lateralus artwork myself either. |
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I love your avatar, mimi |
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me too, i think i will get it tattooed on myself |
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Jupitah, are you into Ken Wilber? Please say you are! |
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sorry! i know of him i respect his philosophies from what i've read, but i just haven't found any personal connection with his "path." |
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Hmmm.... the fact that you alone know what i'm talking about makes you seem wery wery interesting to me right now. Perhaps we have something to discuss? Are you familiar with those new enlightenment people? Andrew Cohen, Eckhart Tolle or Barry Long? or is it the old school Sri Yucktesvar (not sure of the spelling) or anything like that? Anyway, feel free to drop me a mail, i you feel like it, and lets talk! |
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