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         |  The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-04-20 15:34 [#00660384] Points: 16280 Status: Lurker
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 | I don't know, I bought Confield last night, and I think it's great... the tracks are very emotional in my opinion... Vi
 Scose Poise, Cfern, Pen Expers, Uviol, are just gorgeous...
 well, I guess pen expers overall is pretty noisey, but the
 melody is beautiful...
 
 hehe, I played that on the way home from work in the car...
 my sister picked me up... she said it was giving her a
 headache, and was stressing her out... she then went on to
 say that the music seemed like some problem that needed
 fixing... heh, I found that to be kinda cool...
 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-20 16:37 [#00660547] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | Confield is still fun to listen to, but I'm bored of Draft. 
 
 
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         |  cygnus
             from nowhere and everyplace on 2003-04-20 16:59 [#00660575] Points: 11923 Status: Lurker
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 | if you aint open for autechre then you are due for bankruptcy...
 
 
 
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         |  weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-04-20 17:06 [#00660597] Points: 12585 Status: Lurker
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 | At first I thought Draft 4.20 was a bunch of garbled drum sounds until I heard 6IE.CR, this restored my faith in AE
 and made me re-listen to Draft a couple more times. Its a
 really great, original album, but I can also agree with
 everyone else who says its not an "everyday" listening
 album.
 
 The farting noises in Reniform Puls are good for a chuckle.
 
 
 
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         |  Morgoth
             from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-04-20 17:16 [#00660616] Points: 1264 Status: Regular | Followup to The_Funkmaster: #00660384
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 | That's the feeling most people get when listening to Ae. 
 I'm lucky my girlfriend is used to it by now ;-).
 
 
 
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         |  corngrower
             from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-04-20 18:28 [#00660677] Points: 4404 Status: Lurker
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 | I just got my copy of Draft yesterday and have to say I like it, mabey even more than confield.  Of course there are a
 few duds in there, but they're more than made up for by
 sweet tracks like 6IE.CR, Roundabout, V-Proc, and Reinform
 Puls.  It's definetly not for everyone, and I can respect
 why some would dismiss it as noise, it takes some courage to
 get beyond that and hear it's true flava.
 
 
 
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         |  cx
             from Norway on 2003-04-20 18:49 [#00660701] Points: 4537 Status: Regular
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 | the family and i had a 1 and a half hour drive hiome from grandma yesterday, and i showed them draft over the car
 stereo.
 so we listened to the whole album, and my dad, who's a
 musician and kinda knows his stuff, told me there was too
 little sound overall, and too much repetition.
 
 so i thought to myself, he does have a point.
 i mean, how much do you have to give of yourself to like
 draft?
 do you have to have a mindset that tells you to like it,
 maybe you're pretending and you don't know it?
 but then i listened to v-proc again and discarded that
 thought.
 
 and paco, the music you're describing is called 'catchy',
 it's what all 'normal' musicians strive to achieve them most
 of, and what i hear from an interview with autechre, they
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         |  corngrower
             from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-04-20 19:11 [#00660724] Points: 4404 Status: Lurker | Followup to Paco: #00644906
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 | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
 You never give me your money
 You only give me your funny paper
 and in the middle of negotiations
 you break down
 
 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
 
 
 
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         |  Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-04-20 19:35 [#00660728] Points: 2116 Status: Lurker
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 | why are there still threads like this???? 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-04-20 19:47 [#00660736] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to Crocomire: #00660728
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 | Because of a problem? 
 
 
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         |  hanal
             from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-20 19:57 [#00660738] Points: 13379 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | i like all ae old and new,but if i stopped likin it then i wouldent play it anymore,thus not needin to talk about it
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         |  pachi
             from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-20 20:02 [#00660744] Points: 8984 Status: Lurker
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 | AE are still getting revenue from my purchases 
 
 
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         |  Frag
             from New Jersey (United States) on 2003-04-20 20:04 [#00660746] Points: 1024 Status: Lurker
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 | It really is just a matter of taste...Not _that_ many people could be faking it, if you really think that...Personally, I
 can't stand it, but I still have a large amount of their
 albums in mp3 format...I keep trying to like it, since so
 many here do, but I can't...
 
 
 
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         |  hanal
             from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-20 20:13 [#00660753] Points: 13379 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | if you dont like it fine,dont play it just for others,its not everybodys cup of tea.but it does seem people love it or
 hate it.
 
 
 
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         |  Duble0Syx
             from Columbus, OH (United States) on 2003-04-20 22:42 [#00660820] Points: 3436 Status: Lurker
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 | I won't be buying Draft eithor.  I don't like any of Autechre's new music.  Incunabula & Tri-Repetea is where it
 ends for me.  In my opinion confield is crap, but if someone
 wants to listen to then what right do I have to complain?
 All a matter of opinion.
 
 
 
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         |  mimi
             on 2003-04-20 22:58 [#00660821] Points: 5721 Status: Regular | Followup to Duble0Syx: #00660820
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 | hahaha incunabula was BASICALLY their first album.......kind of a funny way of saying it.
 
 
 
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         |  OK
             on 2003-04-20 23:19 [#00660831] Points: 4791 Status: Lurker
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 | i don't people who like ae are pretending.. 
 but ae's music is liked because of all the wrong reasons
 
 
 
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         |  neetta
             from Finland on 2003-04-20 23:25 [#00660834] Points: 5924 Status: Regular
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 | OH WOW i really opened this thread with a valid reply. fnord modular? well i have one word for you: norwegian neo-folk.
 oh but that is several words.
 
 re: ae, i really like older ae. no need to pretend. but with
 this newer stuff i don't know. i have had trouble with my
 confield (i bought it just a long long time ago and at first
 i didn't even have the 'idm'ear to recocnize any sorts of
 pattern there, it just sounded like rattle). that makes me
 not want to buy draft (also the hype here has made me sick
 of it)
 
 i have given up on forcing meself to like their or others
 new albums. i listen happily to my old releases and dream
 that it would be 1995 right now.
 
 
 
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         |  jand
             from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-21 00:42 [#00660870] Points: 5975 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | pretending?????.... 
 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
 
 and more...
 
 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
 
 what that concept boils down is the thought "I don't like
 this so no-one else possibly can either"....
 
 
 
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         |  Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-04-21 00:53 [#00660875] Points: 2116 Status: Lurker | Followup to OK: #00660831
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 | we've got a mind reader on our hands.... 
 
 
 
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         |  Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-04-21 01:12 [#00660889] Points: 2116 Status: Lurker | Followup to Crocomire: #00660875
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 | ..... and his name is OK. 
 
 
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         |  hanal
             from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-21 06:09 [#00661187] Points: 13379 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | can he bend spoons as well 
 
 
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         |  AE_King
             from Australia on 2003-04-21 07:21 [#00661266] Points: 749 Status: Regular
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 | Who honestly gives a pluck if you don't want to buy ae's new albums?  Go tell your pet flea cos I'm sure it would be a
 hell of a lot more interested than us...
 
 ae own the planet, you just don't want to admit it.
 
 
 
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         |  gescom33
             from manchester (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-21 08:02 [#00661344] Points: 93 Status: Lurker
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 | why do people expect their fave artists to just churn out the same shit time and time again.if you don't like the new
 stuff don't fucking listen to it,sell the stuff you don't
 like and start listening to the bollocks that clutters the
 charts instead.
 
 
 
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         |  plaidzebra
             from so long, xlt on 2003-04-21 21:14 [#00662186] Points: 5678 Status: Lurker
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 | yes, imagine the annoyance of a message board where there is disagreement about the music being discussed.  the only
 alternative to ae, as i see it, it to listen to, um,
 whatever is on the charts these days.
 
 
 
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         |  DaWeeze
             from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-04-22 01:25 [#00662453] Points: 5213 Status: Addict | Followup to gescom33: #00661344
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 | gescom33 from Madchester... 
 Hmmmm....my tiny little mind boggles...
 
 ;)
 
 (You're absolutely right, BTW.)
 
 
 
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         |  Morton
             from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-04-22 01:31 [#00662460] Points: 10000 Status: Addict | Followup to gescom33: #00661344
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 | hey that's my avatar from junktion's site :) that's funny
 
 
 
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         |  DaWeeze
             from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-04-22 01:37 [#00662469] Points: 5213 Status: Addict | Followup to Morton: #00662460
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 | He's got good taste... 
 
 
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         |  nacmat
             on 2003-04-22 01:54 [#00662477] Points: 31275 Status: Lurker
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 | dont agree. I will buy it
 
 my girlfriend wanted to buy it for me, but she made a slight
 mistake (hehe) and bought the gantz graf dvd, I was going to
 change it but I think I will keep it and will buy the
 draft7.30 when I can...
 hehehe
 
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-22 02:56 [#00662530] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to neetta: #00660834 | Show recordbag
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 | Yes, I must admit, I prefer their older stuff too. Garbage is my favourite release,  Brunchusevenmx AND Vltrmx on one
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         |  glasse
             from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-04-22 16:39 [#00663848] Points: 4211 Status: Regular | Show recordbag
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 | There is something neat about the older stuff.  It is more straight forward techno in the traditional sense and the
 abstractness lies in more subtle nuances.  The new stuff is
 much more overtly surreal and imo really breaks a lot of
 ground.  They make some extreme choices on songs like Gantz
 Graff that I myself might not make but it is good that they
 do and it is listenable.  (There are a vast number of noise
 artists out there that are anything but listenable and any
 concept they were trying to accomplish ends up coming off as
 self-indulgent masochism).  Some people prefer more
 traditional structure while others want to hear the envelope
 pushed a little.  What I really enjoy and what I would
 generally call a great album is one that pulls off a good
 transitional mix of the abstract collage stuff and then
 occasionally moves into solid grooves while maintaining an
 overall sense of consistant composition.  I think albums
 like Draft do that really well.
 
 
 
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         |  corngrower
             from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-04-22 16:42 [#00663853] Points: 4404 Status: Lurker | Followup to glasse: #00663848
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 | well put. 
 
 
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         |  Sido Dyas
             from a computer on 2003-04-22 16:52 [#00663872] Points: 8876 Status: Lurker
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 | There is no "emperrors new clothes" effect here. Just people who enjoy cutting edge electronic music.
 
 
 
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         |  glasse
             from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-04-22 16:59 [#00663883] Points: 4211 Status: Regular | Show recordbag
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 | what do you mean by "emperors new clothes" effect? 
 
 
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         |  revpersona
             from Plainfield (United States) on 2003-04-22 18:59 [#00664034] Points: 3167 Status: Lurker
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 | I haven't been with AE since a little bit after the Tri-Repetae++ period.
 
 Yet...they still get my $$.  Heh, well I gotta put an end to
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         |  gescom33
             from manchester (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-24 13:53 [#00666971] Points: 93 Status: Lurker
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 | i wanted an avatar......saw it......like it a lot......cheers by the way........g
 
 
 
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         |  OK
             on 2003-04-24 22:30 [#00667496] Points: 4791 Status: Lurker
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 | with luck wou'll all realize your mistake some day. 
 
 
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