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first advice! dont make me do a second one i dont want you to send me a second one thank you very much |
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Oh yay! We need to celebrate! It's been ..like... three months ago since I saw a troll! HAPPY INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY!!!!!! |
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I told you... I am sorry you cannot act like a normal person... then you will email me complaining of why I reveal your identity... well here is why... you deserve it... and you dont deserve being in this MB |
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I am afraid rephlexual will go on talking shit about me, but I dont care... I hope that people who know me will not believe him |
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her |
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gay bashin is bad.....gay people who dont like girls? bad too..... do you know nacmats story or are you in it for the laugh supreme? |
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Don't you worry. remember the Nacmat is great topic? |
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*i didnt say that* |
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I do not know the story. it's just so long ago I saw a troll. I couldn't resist... |
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*sorry* bit harsh and hastely conclusive from my part. |
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whats a troll then...? |
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Trolls are quite agressive posters. There's no real definition of 'a troll' cos they behave in many different ways. Most of the time a troll just starts bashing everyone, disagreeing, etc.. |
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*gulps* i thought it was an anti broad term or something...i should puff less on my weed i guess... =) chihiro s been a nice troll lately... sorry bout the misshap |
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Does simplicity destroy art? - what a stupid question. |
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true.. |
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Then answer it! ;) |
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no. |
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is my answerr, not No i won't answerr. |
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nice comments fleetrat |
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I thought it was a him |
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It's true the words of the question weren't chosen carefully, but the gist is apparent. I guess the word destroy is the most re-con-dite (thanks dictionary.com) It's a complex question with a lot of functional abstraction and fuzzy input. To understand the question you have to input individual brains each interpreting data, input evolutionary reasons that some data could be considered art-like and others not, whether this data distinction works differently from brain to brain. Then maybe simplicity is a fuzzy concept too. In Stephen wolfram's arrogant book that I so far don't enjoy reading (he arrogantly titled it "a new kind of science"), he uses "simple" rules, but they can produce complex behavior. If everything is composed of basically the same really small energy or whatever, then it's all pretty much equally complex? Who knows. |
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Hahahaha!!!! with a troll ,you never know ........ anyway, IT's gone now. |
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i dont think ive ever had such an unfriendly welcome as this. Ill see you little boys later, goodbye |
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I am sorry but I think you started this with lies about me |
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The REAL trolls on the site are the ones who keep complaining that other people are trolls. They're the ones interested in soap opera esque lame entertainment too. |
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I dont agree with that...but its a matter of opinions |
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I am so sorry. |
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Why thank you! such a nice young man |
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chow |
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you always have to poke your nose in to things dont you? |
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Will you stop this? *curse* I'm going to ignore you from now on. |
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Art is just whatever the fuck I like, I'm not going to define it. Simple, complex, whatever turns my crank. I don't bother reading definitions of art, it's all bullshit. There's so many songs out there that use as many sounds and notes as possible, complicated time signatures and scales and keys and solos and harmonies and what have you, but Hey Jude is better than any of them and the thing probably has 6 or 7 chords in all. |
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it all depends on the parameters an artisd sets for themselves - -their methods and aims |
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We have to define what ART is in the first place. Any further discussion beyond that are irrelevant |
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no it is not. |
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There's this old Peanuts strip where Linus draws something and Lucy tells him, "That's not art. You have to put a little cabin... now put smoke curling out of the chimney. Now put a waterfall, and a deer, and a rainbow. NOW THAT'S ART!" |
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True, it all depends how you define it. I have seen the weirdest definitions of art. Some people would consider rotten.com to be art too. Imagine that each second of your life is viewed as art. It would be WAY TOO ANNOYING. So what is art and what isn't art than ? Does art always have a purpose? |
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"The space between two human beings became public art when two artists, Linda Montano and Tehching Hsieh, galvanized the attention of the country by vowing to spend a whole year in New York City tied together at the waist by an eight-foot rope. During this time they agreed not to touch. " |
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Exactly what I meant. The purpose of it was to demonstrate something. But does art always have such purpose? I really can't think of an example. |
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... of an example where it doesn't |
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Art always has a message, even if its only message is "this is art". You can nail your dick to a board and it's art. Ever read that Re/search pranks issue? I like the guy who bought a chicken at the grocery store and had it buried at a pet cemetary. Pet mortician: "HOW-DID-YOUR-PET-DIE?" The artist named the dead chicken Blinky. He lay it on a piece of paper to photograph it at one point and the bloody juices formed an image on the paper. He called it the Shroud of Blinky. Later on someone paid big money for it. Sometimes the message is "I'm making people think this is art", in which case the artist may think the joke is on the audience, but the joke is really on him, as calling something art automatically makes it art as per the rules of the art game. The artist is really just trumpeting his ignorance of the rules when he does this, e.g., bottling his feces. |
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I am not sure whether you enjoy this conversation. In any way, you did open my eyes a bit. Parhaps art only exist in the eyes of the audience. I remember starting to listen Aphex Twin just because nobody I knew would listen to a ball-bouncing-like noise and all other puppetry. People choose their puppets, so I choose my own as a way of saying that people are controlled by puppets. Is RDJ an artist? Many people I see on a street would say that he is perhaps a lunatic from a mental institution. My father, for example would say that it is interesting but that he does not understand it and that in comparison with Paul Anka it is nothing but a random noise. People who I know would nodd and perhaps say "oh the classics has some very nice tunes". It is all relevant from person to a person. However, in some kind of a global sense (perhaps a very stupid way of making a generalisation since enjoying the art (in my opinion) requires difference between people and not equality) whatever is considered to be an art is an illusion (like from the comic book example you provided which basically summed all good points in this topic). However such definition of art does contain contradictions, contradictions that suggest that art perhaps does not exist. |
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So any way I really cannot write an essay, so I will just leave whatever I said as it is. Does simplicity destroy art? No, if there is nothing to be destroyed Yes, if audience cannot define it as art or if the need for improvement of art they are exposed to exists No if audience defines it as art |
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for me it just comes down to the specific art. case by case it varies. i enjoy some complex art, some i don't. i enjoy some simple art, some i don't. |
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what if the art is not meant for the audience, but merely personal satisfaction or catharsis? though, now that i think about it, the simpler it is the less likely it would seem that it would be a cathartic process of creation. |
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Compare GG Allin with Shakespeare and you will see how wrong that is. |
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Is that the one where he talks about cellular automata? There's a flash thing on the web somewhere called Algaerhythms where you can program such automata and use it to produce simple or complex music depending on the parameters. |
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Yeah, I've only read 1/16th of it so far probably. sounds interesting. things like fractal music seem like the idea is interesting and it has potential but doesn't work nearly as striking as visual fractals, probably because you can't make an interesting fractal using only a single time line any more than you can using a single line on a piece of paper (as opposed to a big flat 2d surface where things can expand and have obvious depth of structure.) You can use multiple time lines simultaneously (drums plus melody plus etc) to give it some extra depth or panning etc. Cellular automata expand outward in an upside down triangle (my favorite shape since I'm a fag). Maybe there's a good way to convert this to a few lines of data, I havn't tried it. |
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