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Does simplicity destroy art?
 

offline Monumrnt from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 06:25 [#00585778]
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Sometimes art can be complicated, but still it can be
enjoyable if it can be understood. Sometimes it is
preffered if the art is up to a point, but if it becomes too
simplified, all beauty seems to be lost. With a freedom
that is not bounded by any means also comes a confusion.
Perhaps it is not simplicity that makes art recognisible but
the clever use and a composition of constrains.


 

offline supreme from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-03-08 06:33 [#00585783]
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Off course simple things can work.
The more subtile, the more I like it.

There's also the concept which can make a very simple peice
of art a masterpiece.

It all depends from piece to piece.


 

offline Monumrnt from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 06:35 [#00585784]
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I prefer complicated art that is made up of simple pieces
rather than simple art that is representing one simple
piece.


 

offline Monumrnt from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 06:39 [#00585785]
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but it is true that it all depends from piece to piece.


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:22 [#00585830]
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no

imo


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:24 [#00585833]
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perhaps another more important question would be; Does
complexity destroy art? imo, yes it does


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:26 [#00585835]
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neither

imo


 

offline Monumrnt from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 07:29 [#00585838]
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Can art be destroyed?
no

IM-D22

Destroying art can be art.
Maybe art cannot be destroyed nor created, but it changes
from one form to another?


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:29 [#00585840]
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thanks big mouth


 

offline Peter File from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:30 [#00585842]
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Not necessarily, but it can do.

Take, for example, Dude Where's My Car?


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:32 [#00585845]
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art appears


 

offline Monumrnt from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 07:32 [#00585846]
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It would be art to destroy that movie. Maybe art can be
created out of nothing ?


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:33 [#00585848]
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is nature simple or complex? answer that then you have
answered all questions nadmac


 

offline Monumrnt from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 07:35 [#00585849]
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Therefore art is non existant.


 

offline Peter File from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:35 [#00585850]
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Someone wrapped a mile of string around Rodin's The Kiss and
it's on display at the Tate

So it strikes me that this person created art out of the
nothingness that is between their ears


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:36 [#00585851]
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nature is very simple and complex at the same time:

simple cos nature does things always in the easiest way
complex.... have you ever studied the human body? the
brain?...


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:37 [#00585852]
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simple people cannot create art, this is impossible. Complex
people cannot create art - because they are laden with
neurosis


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:37 [#00585853]
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music, art and literature work or don't work because of the
interrelationships of their component parts. How many parts
there are is irrelevant.

Although it's harder to come up with a simple relationship
that hasn't been done to death already. If you can add
something new to it it can be fresher than something totally
new because the juxtaposition of the novel and the familiar
tickles the fancy.

Then there's the statistical phenomenon known as the
drunkard's walk - things tend towards greater complexity
because they hit the wall of minimal complexity and bounce
off, so to speak. Same thing happens in evolution which is
why (stupidly simply speaking) there are larger and more
complex animals like humans - at a certain point, variation
can't get simpler or smaller, but it can get larger and
more complex.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-03-08 07:37 [#00585856]
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up to you really....


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:38 [#00585858]
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think of dustin hoffman's "rain man"


 

offline supreme from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-03-08 07:39 [#00585861]
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like I said,
It really depends from piece to piece.
and it works in two ways.

You can't label art.
Art doesn't want to be labeled.
There is something like arthistory, but that's only a
construction, and no artbook can contain every painting ever

made.
There is no "THE ARTHISTORY"

You can't just say:" I don't like Baroque art because it's
too complex"
You can't just say :" I hate dadaism because it's too
simple"

It's all too specific.
You need to know about the context, the concept, the life
and philosophy of the artist,etc... before you can judge
about art.
and before you can respect it.

Art itself, in general, is too complex.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-03-08 07:39 [#00585862]
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simple people cannot create art.....
you really think so rephlexual?


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:39 [#00585863]
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so the more complex and artwork (like v snares for example)
the better it is?


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:41 [#00585865]
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i guess someone with an IQ of 70 couldnt be a good artist


 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-03-08 07:41 [#00585866]
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taste


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:41 [#00585867]
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from somwhere in the net*

Art is anything that people add to their 'output' which is
not functionally necessary and is other than the default
properties of that output.

Example: The default leg of a chair (output) may be a long
rectangular square. If its maker tapers the ends for no
other reason than personal aesthetic preference, that
tapering is art. If he tapers it for a functional
(mechanical) reason it is part of 'engineering design' and
not art. If he makes the leg round as on a lathe it may or
may not be an artistic decision.
If for looks - artistic.
If to make it less likely to splinter or cause stubbed toe
injuries, etc. it is engineering design.



 

offline Peter File from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:41 [#00585868]
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A matter of


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:42 [#00585869]
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i dont believe any of it im afraid


 

offline Peter File from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:43 [#00585871]
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So the serifs on the uppercase letters of my handwriting are
art?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:43 [#00585872]
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No, complex does not mean better, but it's easier to
innovate with complexity than simplicity because there are
more variables to tweak.

Snares IMO is complex on the surface but his music doesn't
have the interplay of structure and relational richness
of... other music.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-03-08 07:43 [#00585874]
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i dont agree...i could adore what that person does...it
could change my life regardless his iq....i wouldnt trust
someone just coz hes got a high iq


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:44 [#00585875]
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these are not my opinions...only definitions picked up from
the net

somewhere else in the net:

"Art is a totality of conducts, different and complementary
of philosophical and scientific conducts, by which a society
in progress to its humanity describes, expresses,
communicates, then enriches, its comprehension of the world
and its interpretations through which it tempts to control
it".



 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-03-08 07:44 [#00585876]
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i dont agree with reph i mean


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:45 [#00585877]
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Art is a game. You change the rules, you redefine art. So
yes, some pompous git could find your grocery list and claim
it's "found art"


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:45 [#00585878]
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no, serif aid in the legibility of text - thats why most
paperbacks dont use sans-serif fonts


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:45 [#00585879]
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i dont agree with you there either


 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-03-08 07:46 [#00585880]
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its a question of sensitivity and taste...not intelligence
.....


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:47 [#00585881]
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architecture=art?


Attached picture

 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:47 [#00585883]
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oh and by the way nadmat, posting chunks of other people
writing without crediting them is bad form


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:48 [#00585884]
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its not me saying that... its a quote...


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:48 [#00585886]
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lol


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:49 [#00585888]
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and illegal


 

offline rephlexual from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:50 [#00585889]
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and i dont appreciate those emails youve been sending me
either - i have a boyfriend thankyou very much


 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-03-08 07:51 [#00585890]
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lots of clever people havent a clue about art ...they dont
care..though it can be a business..i remember seeing an
amazing documentary on some japanese mentaly handicapt home
where they do all sorts of art and expose in big galleries
and stuff...some of it was brilliant....very
profound...original...and unique


 

offline Peter File from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:51 [#00585891]
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Perhaps, but that's not why I put them there.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:52 [#00585893]
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The coming American war on Iraq is a particularly complex
piece of performance art. Critics and fans will be analyzing
it for years to come.

You could consider it as a response to Bin Laden's
celebrated Towers In Flames installation in New York.



 

offline supreme from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-03-08 07:52 [#00585894]
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Is there someone trolling in here?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:52 [#00585896]
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so. wanna fuck?


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:54 [#00585897]
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first advice!

dont make me do a second one


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-08 07:55 [#00585898]
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yes, I am glad you noticed


 


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