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Monumrnt
from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 06:25 [#00585778]
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Sometimes art can be complicated, but still it can be enjoyable if it can be understood. Sometimes it is preffered if the art is up to a point, but if it becomes too simplified, all beauty seems to be lost. With a freedom that is not bounded by any means also comes a confusion. Perhaps it is not simplicity that makes art recognisible but the clever use and a composition of constrains.
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-03-08 06:33 [#00585783]
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Off course simple things can work. The more subtile, the more I like it.
There's also the concept which can make a very simple peice of art a masterpiece.
It all depends from piece to piece.
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Monumrnt
from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 06:35 [#00585784]
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I prefer complicated art that is made up of simple pieces rather than simple art that is representing one simple piece.
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Monumrnt
from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 06:39 [#00585785]
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but it is true that it all depends from piece to piece.
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:22 [#00585830]
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no
imo
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:24 [#00585833]
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perhaps another more important question would be; Does complexity destroy art? imo, yes it does
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nacmat
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neither
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Monumrnt
from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 07:29 [#00585838]
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Can art be destroyed? no
IM-D22
Destroying art can be art. Maybe art cannot be destroyed nor created, but it changes from one form to another?
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:29 [#00585840]
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thanks big mouth
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:30 [#00585842]
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Not necessarily, but it can do.
Take, for example, Dude Where's My Car?
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:32 [#00585845]
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art appears
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Monumrnt
from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 07:32 [#00585846]
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It would be art to destroy that movie. Maybe art can be created out of nothing ?
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:33 [#00585848]
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is nature simple or complex? answer that then you have answered all questions nadmac
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Monumrnt
from To (Canada) on 2003-03-08 07:35 [#00585849]
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Therefore art is non existant.
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:35 [#00585850]
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Someone wrapped a mile of string around Rodin's The Kiss and it's on display at the Tate
So it strikes me that this person created art out of the nothingness that is between their ears
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:36 [#00585851]
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nature is very simple and complex at the same time:
simple cos nature does things always in the easiest way complex.... have you ever studied the human body? the brain?...
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:37 [#00585852]
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simple people cannot create art, this is impossible. Complex people cannot create art - because they are laden with neurosis
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:37 [#00585853]
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music, art and literature work or don't work because of the interrelationships of their component parts. How many parts there are is irrelevant.
Although it's harder to come up with a simple relationship that hasn't been done to death already. If you can add something new to it it can be fresher than something totally new because the juxtaposition of the novel and the familiar tickles the fancy.
Then there's the statistical phenomenon known as the drunkard's walk - things tend towards greater complexity because they hit the wall of minimal complexity and bounce off, so to speak. Same thing happens in evolution which is why (stupidly simply speaking) there are larger and more complex animals like humans - at a certain point, variation can't get simpler or smaller, but it can get larger and more complex.
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hobbes
from age on 2003-03-08 07:37 [#00585856]
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up to you really....
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:38 [#00585858]
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think of dustin hoffman's "rain man"
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-03-08 07:39 [#00585861]
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like I said, It really depends from piece to piece. and it works in two ways.
You can't label art. Art doesn't want to be labeled. There is something like arthistory, but that's only a construction, and no artbook can contain every painting ever
made. There is no "THE ARTHISTORY"
You can't just say:" I don't like Baroque art because it's too complex" You can't just say :" I hate dadaism because it's too simple"
It's all too specific. You need to know about the context, the concept, the life and philosophy of the artist,etc... before you can judge about art. and before you can respect it.
Art itself, in general, is too complex.
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hobbes
from age on 2003-03-08 07:39 [#00585862]
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simple people cannot create art..... you really think so rephlexual?
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:39 [#00585863]
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so the more complex and artwork (like v snares for example) the better it is?
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:41 [#00585865]
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i guess someone with an IQ of 70 couldnt be a good artist
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hobbes
from age on 2003-03-08 07:41 [#00585866]
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taste
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:41 [#00585867]
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from somwhere in the net*
Art is anything that people add to their 'output' which is not functionally necessary and is other than the default properties of that output.
Example: The default leg of a chair (output) may be a long rectangular square. If its maker tapers the ends for no other reason than personal aesthetic preference, that tapering is art. If he tapers it for a functional (mechanical) reason it is part of 'engineering design' and not art. If he makes the leg round as on a lathe it may or may not be an artistic decision.
If for looks - artistic. If to make it less likely to splinter or cause stubbed toe injuries, etc. it is engineering design.
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:41 [#00585868]
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A matter of
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:42 [#00585869]
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i dont believe any of it im afraid
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:43 [#00585871]
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So the serifs on the uppercase letters of my handwriting are art?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:43 [#00585872]
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No, complex does not mean better, but it's easier to innovate with complexity than simplicity because there are more variables to tweak.
Snares IMO is complex on the surface but his music doesn't have the interplay of structure and relational richness of... other music.
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hobbes
from age on 2003-03-08 07:43 [#00585874]
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i dont agree...i could adore what that person does...it could change my life regardless his iq....i wouldnt trust someone just coz hes got a high iq
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:44 [#00585875]
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these are not my opinions...only definitions picked up from the net
somewhere else in the net:
"Art is a totality of conducts, different and complementary of philosophical and scientific conducts, by which a society in progress to its humanity describes, expresses, communicates, then enriches, its comprehension of the world and its interpretations through which it tempts to control it".
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hobbes
from age on 2003-03-08 07:44 [#00585876]
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i dont agree with reph i mean
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:45 [#00585877]
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Art is a game. You change the rules, you redefine art. So yes, some pompous git could find your grocery list and claim it's "found art"
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:45 [#00585878]
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no, serif aid in the legibility of text - thats why most paperbacks dont use sans-serif fonts
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:45 [#00585879]
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i dont agree with you there either
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hobbes
from age on 2003-03-08 07:46 [#00585880]
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its a question of sensitivity and taste...not intelligence .....
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:47 [#00585881]
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architecture=art?
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:47 [#00585883]
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oh and by the way nadmat, posting chunks of other people writing without crediting them is bad form
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:48 [#00585884]
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its not me saying that... its a quote...
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:48 [#00585886]
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lol
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:49 [#00585888]
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and illegal
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rephlexual
from Norwich (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:50 [#00585889]
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and i dont appreciate those emails youve been sending me either - i have a boyfriend thankyou very much
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hobbes
from age on 2003-03-08 07:51 [#00585890]
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lots of clever people havent a clue about art ...they dont care..though it can be a business..i remember seeing an amazing documentary on some japanese mentaly handicapt home where they do all sorts of art and expose in big galleries and stuff...some of it was brilliant....very profound...original...and unique
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-03-08 07:51 [#00585891]
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Perhaps, but that's not why I put them there.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:52 [#00585893]
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The coming American war on Iraq is a particularly complex piece of performance art. Critics and fans will be analyzing it for years to come.
You could consider it as a response to Bin Laden's celebrated Towers In Flames installation in New York.
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-03-08 07:52 [#00585894]
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Is there someone trolling in here?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-03-08 07:52 [#00585896]
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so. wanna fuck?
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:54 [#00585897]
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first advice!
dont make me do a second one
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nacmat
on 2003-03-08 07:55 [#00585898]
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yes, I am glad you noticed
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