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aye.. more people claiming they hate the entire genre of hip hop after just hearing some of the popular crap.. as someone said before.. its just like hating electronic music after just hearing eiffel 65 and fatboy slim.. and there are people who do.. you've probably heard plenty of people say 'electronic music?? i hate that techno shit! boom tsh boom tsh boom tsh' c'mon guys.. you dont have to like it.. just dont be so closed minded about it... and as far as its relation to 'idm'.. i'd say its a big influence on the artists who are a big influence on the genre (ie. autechre, aphex, boc, plaid, countless others...) of course they've mixed the influence with other things.. but hip hop is definitely a big part of 'idm's family tree surrounded: the difference between hip hop and rap is: hip hop is the genre.. rap is the vocal style common to the genre of hip hop.. its one of the things that makes up hip hop... i've never understood why some people make a distinction between them as if they're two different things |
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RAP is what you see on MTV. Hip-Hop has not been established in the mainstream yet, You need to expose yourself to more legitamate "hi-hop'' Think of it this way Rap is to Jay-Z as Hip-hop is to Jurassic 5 Surounded: the Beasties definetly qualify as hip-hop. btw, they're not from Brooklyn as they claim to be, they're from my neighborhood. Im gonna be the next great outta here as well. |
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hm... okay. That clarifies things a little. So everything that involves rapping, is basically hiphop? I got confused because there also appear to be all sorts of subgenres like gangster-rap, eastcoast-rap and...? Well actually i don't know all the names ;-) But i was just under the impression they were 2 different things. Also: Who is.... "<------him" in your avatar? Disliking an entire genre of music seems absurd to me. How can you say you don't like something that you've never heard before? It's not like all hiphop-albums sound the same! There are many people on this board who like BoC, and dislike Squarepusher (or vice versa, or insert other artists if you like), and yet they are both considered IDM.... |
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yeah, pretty much...except for that stupid rock with rapping... luckily that only lasted like 2 years.. and is more or less a past fad now |
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<--- DJ Shadow |
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don't cry my dear jack, you can't make good hiphop cause you aren't black |
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no no, 'rapping' is the unofficial noun for rhyming your lyrics. the genre RAP is mostly an overgeneralization of the two genres. But aslo serves as a catagory for Nelly jay-z and tupac Hip hop I guess you could say has become a subgenre of RAP. Even though they originally meant the same thing. You can totally tell the difference. Download anything by Del Tha Funky Homosapien. Hes the best lyriscist out there and his work defines hip-hop in my opinion, his beats are by dan the automator. Try out 'At the Helm' or 'Wacky World of Rapid Transit'. Trust me the difference is very evident. |
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Beasties are white my albino friend Sadist, Whats up with that message you sound like a rascist? |
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didn't mean that. i'm laughing at the white guys. seriously, white hip-hop is shit for me. just trying to be black... |
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hip hop is a term used to describe the culture (for instance graffiti is part of hip hop culture but certainly wont fit into any musical genre). Rap is a 'singing' (for want of a better word) style. i urge people to check out 8pt. agenda by herbaliser (amazing hip hop music WITH lyrics) and organ doner(or anything) by dj shadow (amazing hiphop music WITHOUT lyrics) |
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Yeah... DJ Shadow, i've been meaning to give his music a listen. Must admit i've never heard a single note of any of his tracks :-o There are sooo many cd's i still want to check out someday ;-) I don't think i'll live long enough to listen to everything i would want to listen to! But okay... so what about the Wu-Tang Clan? What genre would they be? I like some of their songs alot. And (i just know half the board is going to disagree with me here ;-)), i also think some of Eminem's songs are really great. Without Me... The Real Slim Shady... i like that sort of songs, his crazy style. Glass_eater said: "comon theyre always talking about money, cars, bitches, their coolness, etc.... imean its just extremely boring" This is what i don't like about alot of the rapmusic that i see on MTV. And i think Eminem is really different in his subjects. Especially the 2nd and the 3rd album, where he just talks about everything that's happened to him after he became succesful. In a very original way... I like that... not enough to actually buy his cd's, but i think it's really amusing to follow his career on mtv :-) |
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And damn you Morton! :-p Your topics always become more popular than mine, no topic i started has ever had more than 60 replies! |
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massive attack is the closest to hip hop that I can stand |
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i liked old hip hop and i dont really follow current hip hop much unless its from my friends influences |
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hip-hop is black. and i don't like white hip-hop cause it's just stealing the style |
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yes and no. i like it, but its not what "i'm into" so to speak. |
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Download 'Building Steam With a Grain of Salt'. |
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i don't have soulseek :-) I'll just listen to one of his albums next time i'm in a recordstore. |
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That'll be 'Endtroducing...' |
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haha yeah it's a gift surrounded, here take one, or one, or one... no it's nonsense, most of my topics stay very small (if not: erased) i think nobody replied... damn dutchies :P |
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that's the first one right? I'd like to start at the beginning :-) |
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lol! Yeah rub it in, you evil bastard!! *voice of dr. claw (inspector gadget's nemesis)* "But I'll get you morton... next time... next time! muahahahaha!" One day i'll create a topic that'll blow all your pathetic attempts at long threads away! ;-) |
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yes......yes you are =b i used to be someone who didn't like hip-hop, mostly cos i assumed it was 'this' or 'that' and didn't give it a chance. once i listened i realized how timely and relevant the LYRICS were, and how i had misjudged the genre because of a few hip-hop artists that i didn't like. try a smattering of suggested songs (there are lots that have been suggested on this MB) and give it another try! |
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hip-hip to me is like a bad commercial. a long-drawn-out-bad-one. HOWEVER. although I'm very willing to admit there is talent out there... its all about preception, what do you think is good? personally I like Cannibal Ox, I think its great "hip-hop" but the only reason is not the lyrics, but mostly the music behind it. |
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Don't like hip-hop either... I prefer authentic 7\phex 7\cid |
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here are a few link for ya'll to THINK about and READ =0) ENJOY!!! |
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this is some of the funniest shit i've read--more please! dolleater- are you saying the BB are from LA, or are you NYC? |
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nice avatar :| |
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If you don?t like hip hop, listen to Mitt Kvarter by Latin Kings and re-evaluate your opinion..... |
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check out Kool Keith's stuff: dr. octagon - dr. octagonecologyst dr. dooom - first come first served he's the only hip hop artist that i REALLY like. second vers. of blue blowers: "It's a patient that's worth to keep the germs off the turf Cybernetic microscopes and metal antidote Two telescopes that magnify the size of a roach Three computers to cup of coffee planted with my hand and astroplanets detached turn on rear foggers Cut the light on the kid, and turn the bright on Supersonic waves combine and burn as brainwaves I see the mascot of Evil he's not Kneivel Shakespeare's gone don't even think about it Yes, as I'm going to the park, I see... Blue Flowers! It's raining green, by the pond Blue Flowers! It's totally raining green, pouring Blue Flowers! I smell the bees and the birds Blue Flowers! Different aspects of life, blue flowers" |
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All the ppl claiming they don't like hip-hop becuz the beats sound the same or claiming the lyrics dont mean anything need to get their heads examined. You seriously didn't even put in the slightest effort to actually listen to it or find some REAL quality hiphop (of which there is plenty), or else your opinion wouldn't be like that. It's mostly Dutch people who stubbornly stick to thinking that hiphop is either I say the hiphop, hibididby grandmaster flash kool moe dee kinda stuff or nigga motherfucker i kill blablalba. They label an entire genre based on this shallow impression of a musical style that has an incredibly broad range and has influenced almost every other musical style in positive ways and major artists in the music industry have been influenced by it as well. I don't think I need to mention Richard D James. And yes there are a plethora of choices if you want to hear intelligent lyrics. And sure you may hear them say nigga or modafokka in some of their lyrics, but if you grow up in a neighbourhood where they all say "gosh", and you would be on the mic, without doubt you would use "gosh" in your lyrics too. So instead of basing your opinions on shitty RnB video's (yes you read it right, it ain't even hiphop what you see on TV), go to a record store and check out some of the more underground cats out there. Check - Gangstarr, old wu-tang, group home, talib kweli, mos def, anything on rawkus label actually, check stuff from battle axe records and then come back with a valid review. |
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you're not the only one who doesn't like hip-hop. i'm fairly sure of it. as for me, i like hip-hop. |
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oh that's just ridiculous! Saying that everyone would like HipHop if they just gave it a serious try, is just as stupid as people saying they don't like any HipHop without having heard much of it. (not to mention saying something such as most people born in the netherlands are prejudiced about hip hop... :-/) I could write a post similar to yours about country music. Do you like country-music? If you don't, you obviously didn't put in even the slightest effort to actually listen to it, or otherwise your opinion wouldn't be like that. Country music has been at the root of zillions of other styles of music and blah blah blah... Every genre of music has something to be said for it. And with every genre of music you tend to discover it through the artists that are somewhat more mainstream... and only if you like what you hear there, will you start to search a little deeper. Nobody starts out with listening to the most obscure and underground artists of a genre. |
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like hiphop. hate rap. |
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surrounded, before you get all offensive on me, I said your opinion wouldn't be like that. That doesn't mean that they would all like hiphop all of a sudden, but it does mean that the shallow comments would cease, comments such as: hiphop sucks they aint saying nothing, or they only rap about money cars and bitches. Moreso, I didn't say hiphop was at the root of of styles of music, I said it has influenced almost every musical style in some way, and it has. I am indifferent to country music, since I don't know much about it. So if someone would ask me about it I wouldn't start saying: It's all a bunch of yankee doodledoo. In fact I wouldn't state any opinion about it if it was asked on a messageboard. That's the whole point, people here are responding to this thread without having proper knowledge, and that's why I respond with that reply. |
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likewise |
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"surrounded, before you get all offensive on me" heh, it's a bit late for that ;-) Sorry, i got a little carried away. When re-reading it my comment sounded more offensive than i had intented. "or they only rap about money cars and bitches." Well i'm convinced there are MANY hiphop-artist that don't rap about these shallow subjects. But the fact remains that also alot of them do. When looking at your average hiphop-video on mtv, one can't help but feel that they are all very materialistic and shallow. And since most of the artists you mentioned don't get shown much on television, i don't think it's that strange people think that is all hiphop is about. I mean they see those videos, the veejay tells them: "this is hiphop"... how are they supposed to know there is also more out there? I don't really know much about country music either ;-) But i do remember reading somewhere that that is in fact at the root of most styles of music today. But ehr... yeah. All i'm really saying is you can't blame people for not knowing something. I'm sure there was also a time in your life when you had not started listening to hiphop yet. |
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You're obviously not the only one. But you're all still wrong for not liking hip-hop :P i bought blazin' arrow today, mighy good stuff |
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"hip-hop is black. and i don't like white hip-hop cause it's just stealing the style" just like EVERYTHING ELSE man. white people stole pretty much everything besides classical from black people. to me: Hip-hop is intelligent, rap is not. |
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The stuff you get to see on MTV or TMF, that is what we call RnB, and yes it sucks ass idd. Ja rule, Jay-Z, Nelly etc. that is not hiphop. The main complaint is that this form of music gets confused with hiphop, just because a guy raps in it. But idd surrounded, the majority doesn't know that. But the point I'm stressing here is that if you don't know a thing about the genre, you shouldn't slag it off but instead refrain from responding to the thread or get some know how about it before slagging it off. It's all fair if you'd say: "Well I know hiphop from Public Enemy to WuTang to Eminem but I think it really sucks!" That's fine if you feel that way about it. It just ain't "your thing" then. But at least you build the opinion from listening to a wide variety of hiphop within the genre. Eminem, yes he makes hiphop, and he's also a very gifted MC. It's also bs to forbid a white man to have a go at hiphop or to slag him of for being into it, because it's supposed to be black music. Positive discrimination is still discrimination and therefore sucks by definition. |
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this is something my BF wanted me to post in response to what you've said! "X-tomatic, while i appreciate you sticking up for hip-hop, i'm alarmed by your patent snobbishness. it pains me to see educated hip-hop listeners thumb their nose at the majority. you're saying ja rule, jay-z, and yes, even nelly, "aren't hip-hop" ONLY because you don't like them. i think if you were to be more honest with yourself and us then you'd realize they certainly are a part of hip-hop, whether you like it or not. yes, nelly and ja rule set themselves apart from hip-hop with all their singing, but they still rap and their music, if not hip-hop, is what? salsa? reggae? face it, their music is by definition hip-hop, just commercialized. as for jay-z, he catches a lot of flak from us hip-hop critics, and most of it is merited. however, aside from eminem, he has to be the most talented rapper on MTV, BET, and the radio right now. true, he has an extremely limited range of topics--money and all the luxuries it buys, pretty women, his reputation and success, and replies to his critics (such as us)--but you can't help but notice his talent. maybe he doesn't have much to talk about (although i'd say he raps about a lot more topics than ja rule or nelly for sure) but his delivery and flow are off the hook. i don't have enough fingers and toes to count the expressions he's coined that have influenced everyone from his listeners to every other rapper, including our beloved "underground" rappers from talib kweli to dead prez (and even the white emcees), nor can i ever hope to count all the rappers that have been influenced by his various styles. he changes his flow a lot between songs; a lot more than any other rapper on the radio or MTV. and his producers are usually top-notch as well; there's a reason non-materialistic rappers like mos def, kweli, dead prez, pharoahe monch, and more are hiring kanye west for their albums. anyway, i'm not trying to bust your balls since it's good to have someone stick up for hip-h |
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oopsie.......continued .....stick up for hip-hop when everyone else is saying the most ignorant, closeminded, and culturally hateful things imaginable. but if you're going to be positive minded, keep it grounded in truth. |
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Cannibal Ox bombed at ATP. I felt like booing them. The only thisng that kept me from it was Dj A-track at the tables. |
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MAn thats too much shit to read, fuck that. You know why you all hate it? Cuz you get shitty ass hip-hop in Europe, with the exception of fischmob. Download Del, shpaes... all the ones I mentioned earlier. They are none commercial and very talented artists. No one who has ever rapped can hold a cangle to Del tha Funky Homosapien. Best lyricist who ever lived!!!!!! Look at this fat joint I have. |
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all hip hop we get in europe is american one |
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Mainstream American, the kind that sucks. |
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I'm glad titsworth isn't here...He'd be going off like the 4th of July (American Independence Day for our international audience)...and his keyboard would have to be replaced...;) Don't hate a "genre" based on what people WANT to show you, base your knowledge on what it can provide you with personally as an audience. |
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"Look at this fat joint I have." that made me laugh so hard cause it's true |
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i disagree weezey, i love it when travis posts on subjects like this. it shows he's very passionate about what he believes in, and he's one of my favorite people on the board because of it |
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hahahaha his keyboard DOES need to be replaced! *see's the fireworks going off now* he's around here somewhere, floating around =0) |
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