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i decided after seeing how medical school was that while i loved medicine and science.........i couldn't devote my life to it. half my brain is science/half art.....it's a strange position to be in, cos one doesn't necessarily understand the other. |
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uncanny |
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yeah.. thats them leaving the court, btw.. |
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hmm havent seen that movie...i'll have to check it out.. ive spent the past month watching all sorts of bizarre films.. just watched mullholland drive.. before that, naked lunch.. and schizopolis before that i think my favorites of the ones i saw in the past month were the jeunet/caro films and brothers quay shorts |
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ah, jeunet/caro.. just bough the "delicatessen"-dvd - already bought the video a long time ago, but the extra's seem pretty good. |
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this is based on a trrue storry, thats what gets me. also the way herr motherr is crrying forr herr daughterr almost asif she doesnt know its herr thats doing it. shocking film. it beats the exorrcist bullshit anyday. i rreally like the way they arre on the boat togetherr all a happy family just beforre the murrderr then afterr it they arre seperrated basically saying that killing had drriven them apparrt. |
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and even then.. she's just being a mother.. she can't really help it that much.. |
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thanks for that link qrter..just reinforced my belief that the picture painted of the two girls was far more sympathetic then warranted by the reality of the murder... "The evidence supplied by Honora's wounds implies that she did not die quickly, or meekly, or painlessly. The autopsy dryly referred to wounds on her fingers, interpreted as having been obtained when she tried to defend herself. Audrey Amos, a policewoman who saw Honora's body, said her fingers were practically severed by blows from the murder weapon--a brick, remember. It was speculated that Honora was conscious and she may have fought back, or at least may have tried to avoid her daughter's blows, for some time. Jackson's 'hommage' to these facts are Honora's terrible cries during the murder scene and the brief shot of her crouching on the ground with blood trickling down her face, her arm half-raised. Twenty-four of the wounds on Honora's face and head were consistent with their having been caused by extreme-force, crushing blows from the murder weapon, i.e. the brick. Under cross examination, the pathologist stated that some blows may have cause more than one wound. In "Heavenly Creatures" we only see 7 blows being struck, 4 from Pauline and 3 from Juliet. Even taking into account the multiple-wound-per-blow idea (simple physics would probably make more than 3 wounds per blow very improbable), this is still a serious undercount of the number of serious wounds. Since there were minor wounds, too, the implication was that there were many more blows, some glancing. Try counting to twenty-four, slowly. If there were that many blows to Honora, it would create a different impression of the murder than does the few blows shown in the film. The pathologist testified that it would have taken only a few of the major head injuries to render the victim unconsciousness. This tends to make the murder appear to be a situation of gross 'overkill', but the situation may not be simple to interpret. This may be one reason why Jackson did no |
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also the mother was living under tremendous pressures..a lot those Jackson chose not to relate..hence redering the mother's actions and motivation a pure distortion and exaggeration and out of context.. "For example, Pauline's infant sister, Rosemary, who was born with severe Downs' syndrome when Pauline was 11, was not shown in the film. Rosemary was finally institutionalized in 1951 or '52 and she is discussed in section 3.2.10.1. Herbert Rieper testfied that Rosemary was visited regularly and brought home from time to time. It's possible that Rosemary was a severe burden on the family in general, and on Pauline in particular, in the years she spent at home, although it was reported that Pauline was extremely fond of Rosemary. Rosemary, and the financial burden and responsibilities and demands of her care, could have been an extremely potent source of tension between mother and daughter, and she was omitted from the film. The degree of poverty in the family was probably not portrayed to anywhere near the extent that the real-life Pauline would have perceived it. The family was literally living on the edge of solvency most of the time and money issues would have been a neverending source of concern and serious conflict. Every little expense Pauline would have wanted to incur, especially if it was to keep up with Juliet in some way, would have been the source of a family fight. To an adolescent particularly, the accumulated effect of being left out of social events and not belonging because of lack of money is galling: how many parents have heard "it isn't fair" from their teenagers, refused permission to do something or buy something because the resources weren't there? No doubt Honora heard it day in and day out from Pauline." |
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I think I must be strange then.. I never saw the Honora in the film as being "evil" or particularily nasty.. |
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and on the 24 blows.. did you really want to see all of them..? to me it already was quite vicious in the film. I mean, blood splatters their faces, they are quite frantic. |
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