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Tits, I'm just teasing you. I don't like Shadow and that's a well known fact, I never liked Entroducing and the same is true with PP: I like Deadringer and all Def Jux stuff you mentioned. I prefer all of it to Shadow. I am aware that this is a matter of taste/ preferences and thus I am not ready to duscuss it to any real depths. |
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i was responding to zeus since i think he has a long way to go in explaining and justifying his opinions. plus it's fun to pick on him cos he doesn't understand hip-hop, which makes his appreciation of both rjd2 and dj shadow suspect/questionable. you on the other hand i have no problem with cos you like all kinds of music, have a good sense of production, and have no difficulties arguing your case. i love the el-p album and i find the albums by can ox, rjd2, and others to be good as well. i just think their style could be improved by more variety and parsimony. |
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no RJD2, he's on tour with the Company Flow tour El-P, RJD2, all of Company Flow, a bunch of people I've heard of but know little about. only $20 for about 10 acts. and it's in club venues. should be great i imagine it will be like hearing the two Def Jux compilation albums live. |
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Tits, hehe, I guess Zeus will be less than happy to read that post of yours. What about Aesop rock, you think he has variety? Zguru: what do you mean Company Flow? They will actually play live as a band, or you're just saying that El, Len and Juss have separate sets? |
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true, he won't be happy, but i'm pretty honest when it comes to how i feel about people's debating skills. i figure if constructive feedback is never given then people will never improve. i also admit to finding the irony of his despising his music school classmates for not liking or understanding electronica while he himself dislikes and barely tries to understand hip-hop very, very funny. as for aesop rock i think he's pretty good. i haven't heard any of his full albums or ep's, just some select mp3's and his guest spots on some cd's i have. company flow has not reformed, i'm pretty sure they're still unhappy w/ each other... if they're on the same bill i doubt they'll join each others' sets |
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I'll try to stay updated on that, CoFlow were unreal, I'm counting on you guys... I have to leave now, nice chatting to you, bye. |
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tits man, what the fuck you seem very bitter as of late. i dont know much about hip hop, but i do know when i like one thing over another. i like rjd2. youre being an arrogent prick right now. who said im not trying to understand hiphop? who says i despise it? you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions that have no basis. and i beleive my arguments are clearly stated, and the fact that you are getting them, is cause you arnt really listening to me. you have your opinion, you beleive you, and only you are right. so youre not even thinking about what i am saying get over yourself. you are not the final voice of god when it comes to hip hop. |
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*arnt getting them |
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as this doesn't relate to the subject of rjd2 vs. dj shadow i'm not going to respond except to state that i stand by all my points |
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you're a jackass your last 2 threads wasnt anything about rjd2, it was about bashin me. i dont know what your problem is, or why your acting like a dick... |
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i talked about def jux artists (including rjd2) in both of my last messages, and if i'm a "jackass" for observing that your anti-dj shadow argument is weak and that you have a very questionable background in hip-hop (the type of music both rjd2 and dj shadow make) then so be it! i've never been one to hold back my opinion cos it might rub someone the wrong way; this is how i feel about rjd2 and your argument that his album's great, deal with it.. |
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Saw DJ Shadow/Cut Chemist perform together a couple times. Rocked VERY hard. They're good solo, but totally vibe off each other as a duo. RJD2 has a mix cd that I picked up on usenet... not very good. Shadow's kill though. |
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ok I just went through Private Press again and when it got to track 13 you can't go home again... it seemed REALLY fermilliar I know I've heard it somewhere else before? like in a movie or tv show? anyone have any idea what I mean? if not I blame it on the meds Im on tonight! eeesh! |
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dj shadow's music gives that familiar feel doesn't it? |
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dude seriously, whats your problem? i dont know much about hip hop, thats true, by why is it questionable? what are you talking about? and your just a jackass for being so condesending, and making comments about me that you dont really know. i dont care what your thoughts are, its just that in almost everyone of your posts, you basically call me a moron, and condesend me get on AIM and we can talk, and spare the boards i seriously want to know what crawled up your ass |
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i just find it personally insulting that you make no effort to understand black hip-hop (producers and emcees). all you ever talk about is white electronic artists who integrate some hip-hop into their sound. rjd2 and dj shadow are pretty authentic hip-hop but they're still white. i'm not calling you a racist cos i'm sure you're not one, but it's insulting to me that you dismiss the majority of hip-hop as not worth listening to (as if it lacked aristic value). hip-hop is a major part of my being so it's like putting down my culture in a way. so when you latch onto rjd2 cos the white media / white hip-hop listeners* you've read / spoken to say it's good, while ignoring or marginalizing other artists who are just as good, it gets under my skin. *note: i'm not saying no non-whites like rjd2, i'm just observing that white hip-hop listeners tend to glorify white hip-hop artists more often than blacks, which is absurd. i'm not saying a black hip-hop listener's opinion is any more valid than a white person's but i am stressing that generally speaking they can vary greatly and that by not paying attention to black producers or emcees you're missing out not only on good music but the essence of hip-hop. i know i'm going to get criticized harshly for my romanticism on this topic but to be honest i just get sick of hearing about the next great white underground hip-hop artist. so many of them just don't deserve the attention and get it only cos the rock-listening white media isn't able to sympathize with hip-hop in its purest form. |
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in anticipation of said criticism here're some further comments swiped from aim. ------ ?: and you're right......white rappers get more media......cos they are WHITE howisya77: yea but it's a bit racist of me howisya77: romanticizing blacks howisya77: it's not like black artists are inherently more talented than whites ?: i dunno about that howisya77: it's racist cos i pay attention to races ?: but it is irritating.....that whites latch on to white rappers howisya77: which implies some kind of inherent inequality ?: well......just because blacks in general....don't get the attention they deserve on MOST things!! howisya77: i agree completely ?: you are sticking up for them.......that doesn't make you a reverse racist howisya77: and it really offends me that they create these types of music (jazz, r&b, rock, bluegrass, and now hip-hop) only to have them HI-JACKED by whites who imitate their style but water it down to appeal to the white majority who found the music too esoteric in its original form ?: you NAILED it ?: it becomes WIDELY known when a WHITE artist comes around ?: think about what eminem did for rap....... ?: it's completely obvious to me ?: your point howisya77: i love eminem and i think he deserves to shine, but unfortunately he's opened the door for inferior talents howisya77: he's also further commidified hip-hop by being so pop (the music style, not "popular") ?: i agree ?: i mean he's good....don't get me wrong ?: just that he popularized RAP for a lot of whites ?: made it more palitable....cos he's white ?: there's no denying it.....and you're right....opened the doors for BAD rappers/hip hop |
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that really doesn't have anything to do with rjd2, just hip-hop in general. |
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when have i dismissed black hip hop? i said i didnt like blackalicious, but thats ONE artist there is alot i dont know, and id like to learn more. I didnt even know if rjd2 was white or black. its pure coincidence that the 2 hip hop guys i like are white. find me black artists that sound like rjd2 or shadow, and ill listen. i like thier sound. |
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and enough with the media stuff. the media does not effect me. i havent read anything about rjd2. and the people on this MB, how do i know if they are white or black?i just hear people say "rjd2 rules" so i took a listen, and i loved it. on my own, i decided i like rjd2 more. and your not the only person i argue with. i know some people irl that think shadow is better, so what is this bandwagon you accuse me of hopin on? everyone is against me practically so maybe im not "gettining it" but im just goin by my gut, and i like DR over PP. plain and simple so, instead of insulting me, and condesending me, teach me. show me artists that are like shadow and rjd2, black or white, it doesnt matter to me. i just like thier sound. it has a great vibe. |
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rjd2 is white.. look at the front cover of the album.. blackalicious is a good example but it's not the only one. i'm not going to give you any more hip-hop recommendations (and i've given you a lot, if you recall) cos it doesn't seem to matter any. whether you read about rjd2 or talked to 3 friends of yours who were roped in by the hype, you've been affected by the media in some way. tell me everything you know about the def jux label, about el-p, about company flow, about underground hip-hop. drawing blanks? that's cos you didn't discover rjd2 through hip-hop but through the media, whether directly or indirectly. i'm not invalidating the opinions of people on this board. firstly, not everyone here likes the same artists - i mean just look at this thread. there's a lot of diversity in tastes. but secondly, i've bought lots of music thanks to the advice of people on here. rjd2 doesn't happen to be one of those artists i've liked. i checked him out cos of this board and some of the media hype but i just didn't think it was spectacular, nor does it measure up against dj shadow past, present, or future. |
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sorry to jump in here but id love to know about this rjD2? |
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please show me other examples of you showing me someone and didnt like it. but basically my point is, you dont gotta be so condesending and arrogent about it. seriously. its just unnessasary |
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check out the albums novocain! it's pretty good! the album name is Dead Ringer.... Im into all different types of music! but I think my favorite dj is Mix Master Mike! I've seen him twice and he's just been AMAZING both times! |
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i'm not discussing hip-hop with you anymore... any other subject, fine, but not hip-hop. |
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fuck the subject of hip hop, what im talking about now is you being an ass for no reason. it was uncalled for. |
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somewhat like |
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